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21 Mar 2024 17:56:54
Ed002 not withstanding he has a job, but given the media speculation surrounding his position are there any clubs linked with eth or showing interest in bringing him in to be coach for next season should he part ways with united?
{Ed002's Note - A potential replacement for Van 't Schip at Ajax at the end of the season, but not first choice.}
03 Jan 2024 13:10:40
Looks like sancho back to dortmund on loan.
While we will get some sort of loan fee we may have to subsidise the wage.
Good result from the outside looking in. It should go some way to improving the atmosphere around the training complex. It can't be easy seeing one of your mates being shunned even if he has been out of order.
With vdb sancho and hopefully martial out the door it will start to pave the way for a summer rebuild.
Who else may go between now and the start of next season is anybodies guess.
Nothing will surprise me.
1.) 03 Jan 2024 13:50:11
With only 18 games left to play this season plus FA cup we should be looking to shift a lot more.
Varane, Casemiro, Mctominay, Maguire could all in theory go.
It would help with FFP and allow more wiggle room to make big moves in the summer.
2.) 03 Jan 2024 14:07:33
DSG - Surely it would be better for EtH's options with them players available to choose from for the last 18 games? This is not a time for moving on players who have been needed this season. Not until the summer. Players like Casemiro and McTominay find important goals and we need every CB we can get right now.
But can see all of them being available along with many others. I would only sell any of them now if we had a replacement lined up to come in.
3.) 03 Jan 2024 14:19:07
Dsg,
The list is endless.
Imo there are only a few I'd rather keep but I understand it can't, and doesn't work that way.
4.) 03 Jan 2024 14:59:33
Ideally you want to move on any players who aren't wanted but also probably won't be needed this season. That's the tricky part given the injuries.
While a big offer for Casemiro should be considered if it arrives in January. The issue is that would only really leave Mainoo is can play effectively as a holding midfielder. Which leaves us very light. McTominay can't play that role well, and I'm unconvinced by Amrabat playing that role or any other based on his performances so far.
Varane while probably our best pure defender does struggle with fitness. That said Evans has shown himself
to still be a very good defender and with Maguire and Martinez coming back soon, with Lindelof back in February. Then we have options, even if the quality of them is questionable. Also Kambwala was very good on his debut, maybe he could be in line for a few more games.
Other players who probably should be let go in January if good offers come in could include Pellistri, Greenwood, Shoretire possibly. All are not contributing. McTominay could possibly be considered if a good offer comes in. Although that might leave us light in midfield, but if Mount is back and fully fit or if we can sign a midfielder then he has to be a candidate for leaving.
AWB is another who is out of contract in the summer and if an offer comes in we should consider it. He isn't good enough long term, he could be a squad option at best. But we would need to give him a new long term contract and I'm not sure he's worth it. I haven't seen anything from him to feel he would be worth paying 120k per week for the next 4-5 years to sit on the bench and play maybe 10 games a season. We have academy lads who would be on a fraction of that who must be worth giving those games too.
5.) 03 Jan 2024 16:17:11
If we get rid of Sancho and Martial in this window I’d consider this season a success!
I’d be keeping Casemiro to hopefully play the rest of the season with Mainoo so he can learn from him and may give us a clearer idea of what sort of partner we should target for him in the summer.
6.) 03 Jan 2024 19:02:44
On the subject of Martial, where is he right now? Injured again?
7.) 03 Jan 2024 21:06:41
Eric he's ill apparently, I think he's allergic to football lol.
8.) 04 Jan 2024 07:26:40
Ports
100% agree. DVB gone need to get Sancho and Martial out. He has been ill supposedly and no need to say anymore. A very high profile united player said something very interesting about martial a few years ago and stuck with me.
In his view, if you get sent out on loan as a first team player you have failed and not good enough and should never be coming back.
When I thought about it is a pretty accurate statement. Rarely see 23/ 24 year old's at top clubs sent out on loan and expect to see them back.
9.) 04 Jan 2024 13:49:41
Be interesting to see if Ratcliffe dips into his other club for players. I suspect the obvious two would be Todibo and Thuram. Both would add to our first team and both have been on our radar before.
10.) 05 Jan 2024 11:43:20
Ratcliffe's ownership of United and his connection to Nice is as likely to complicate any possible deals between the clubs than be advantageous.
Nice fans are only just starting to warm up to the INEOS ownership after 4 years. They haven't been particularly happy up until the team have shown themselves capable of challenging for Ligue 1 this season.
There have been sales of players the fans were unhappy with, signings they felt underwhelmed with, and appointments that they've disagreed with.
Ultimately given where Nice are now this should act as a case study in why fans making decisions about running a football club is not a great idea. Nice wouldn't be where they are now if INEOS bent to the fans will and made the popular decisions instead.
Either way, the fans would be up in arms if just when INEOS build a young side that can grow into genuine title challengers, they sell off their best players on the cheap to SJR's new club.
While I'm pretty sure UEFA would be casting a very close eye over any deals between the two clubs given the ownership links and that both clubs could be competing in the same UEFA competitions. Anything that looks like SJR is using his position to influence one club for the benefit of the other would bring into question whether he could have a similar influence if the two sides were to meet each other in one of the European competitions.
I like the look of Todibo and I really like the look of Thuram. For me the midfielder is the pick of the bunch and would also be a phenomenon in the EPL. Shades of Yaya Toure and Patrick Viera. Obviously not at their level yet, but how he glides around the pitch, his close control and technique and the way he picks up the ball then drives 30-40 yards up the middle of the pitch to create chaos in the oppositions defensive structure, almost single handily creating dangerous high quality chances for his team.
I think he'd be a wonderful player to partner Mainoo long term if Mainoo develops into more of a No.6 than a No.8.
Mainoo sitting, shielding the defence, taking the ball off the defence and progressing it forward with his passing. While Thuram offers some physicality, height for defending set-pieces, and an ability to carry the ball through the opposition lines to create chances would make a very good, dynamic and high quality midfield.
If we could only sign one of Todibo or Thuram for me the midfielder wins hands down.
{Ed002's Note - There are rules and they are about to change.}
11.) 05 Jan 2024 22:13:30
I wouldn't expect us to sign Nice players cheap. That would not happen. But it would give us an advantage in negotiations, certainly informal negotiations. And perhaps payment structure may be easier to agree.
Be interesting to see what players we send to Nice on loan.
14 Nov 2023 17:50:37
Ed002. I've seen reports that united are interested in bringing back Ruben neves fra SA. With the possibility of cassimero heading out there.
Do you know if united still hold any interest in neves despite him only moving out there in the summer?
Ta.
{Ed002's Note - There have been discussions between his agent and two other clubs. Manchester United have other targets.}
1.) 15 Nov 2023 12:40:07
Would one of those targets be Joao Neves from Benfica?
{Ed002's Note - Joao Neves (DM/CM) Discussed with Chelsea when meeting over another player as they were seeking a replacement for Loftus-Cheek. Potential Casemiro replacement for Manchester United. Huge buy out clause and Benfica will not look to sell but recognise there will be growing interest. Versatile, but falls over easily.}
2.) 15 Nov 2023 13:25:33
Ed002 - are you able to share any of our preferred targets? Looked back through previous posts and all I can recently see in relation to the CM/ DM position is that Andre isn't a target, and Amadou Onana is way down the list.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I would expect changes with the new DoF.}
3.) 15 Nov 2023 13:54:57
Just on that note Ed, you've mentioned SJR would like Paul Mitchell - there have also been reports about Dougie Freedman from Crystal Palace - is there any truth in that or is PM still the preferred choice?
{Ed002's Note - Paul Mitchell is the person who is wanted.}
4.) 15 Nov 2023 14:35:26
Thanks for all info Ed002.
Should Paul Mitchell arrive soon as DoF, do you think he’ll influence the list of targets the club might have?
Would be hoping, with his contacts and experience, he could bring in a few unpolished gems, rather than the premium names United normally seem to go for.
(And hoping, in his time off after leaving Monaco, he’s been busy preparing for his new role at United and identifying targets already! )
{Ed002's Note - Yes he will have an influence over the targets.}
5.) 15 Nov 2023 17:13:19
Whoop whoop best news in years finally the club will go for the best in everything.
6.) 15 Nov 2023 17:36:49
Thanks as always for reply Ed002!
7.) 15 Nov 2023 22:53:01
Appreciate that ed002 thanks.
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04 Apr 2024 18:15:24
Ed033 just wondering if you could do a poll please.
Who has been a been success at Manchester United. Bruno Fernández or John o shea?
Some people seem to judge success by team and others by individual numbers so just curious.
Personally I feel that a player that plays well as an individual but the team have no success, has not been successful.
Appreciate it.
{Ed033's Note -
Bruno / O'Shea poll
1.) 04 Apr 2024 22:50:37
five Premier League titles, one FA Cup, two Football League Cups, four FA Community Shields, the FIFA Club World Cup and the UEFA champions league
Vs
One league Cup.
How is this even a question?
2.) 04 Apr 2024 23:11:02
No I get that manc man.
I don't think any player can consider himself a success at united unless they are part of a serial winning team.
It's a team game and as a result if the teams not winning or competing then no player is a success. Not necessarily a failure but individual stats are not a measure of a successful player for me.
Naming all the world class or top players that have never won a league or cl or at worst in there competing to win the big prizes is a fairly short list. I can't consider Bruno a success until he wins or improves us considerably as a team.
3.) 05 Apr 2024 02:28:41
It depends what you consider a success though? Successful transfer or what? Liverpool fans dislike Coutinho for his faking injuries to force a move, and they won the CL the year after he left. But prior to that they loved him. He also only cost €10m or around that and was sold for €150m roughly. He played well and was mostly instrumental to most of the good things for the years he was there. Didn’t win anything, but providing entertainment whilst he was there + providing a massive profit to fund moves for Alisson and VVD, is undoubtedly a success.
Think if Bruno was sold a year or so ago at his peak value, most would have considered him a success, regardless of trophy cabinet. He’d have provided goals + assists, provided a profit on him etc. I think he’s selfish + petulant and all that’s wrong with the game with his diving + whining constantly. He was bought for €55m + €25m add ons (which given there was no success, I doubt most of them were achieved) selling him for €100m at his peak value a year or 2 ago would have been considered a success imo.
4.) 05 Apr 2024 08:49:43
Depends which era of Bruno we're talking.
I get that there's a whiny petulant character in there that no-one likes but. we have literally only 2 or 3 players who can make something out of nothing and he's one.
I'm not a fan at present, and don't think he should be captain next season, but the player we signed was magic in that first season.
5.) 05 Apr 2024 10:18:10
Bit of a dumb and irrelevant question in my view. Opinions may vary.
6.) 05 Apr 2024 10:31:59
That's why I asked the question Fizz to understand how opinions vary.
A lot of younger fans look at individuals and not the team.
Bit of a dumb reply and irrelevant in my view as opinions should vary.
31 Mar 2024 13:38:38
I think rashford has shown more disdain for his manager and teammates and more disrespect for the fans and club than sancho ever did.
1.) 31 Mar 2024 14:34:53
Im tired of him Ken, and fed up with all the excuses made for him. There’s plenty of people around the world dealing with personal issues but they have to show up to work every day and give their best, something rashford hasn’t done in a long time. Be interesting to see if he makes the euros, if I was Southgate I’d be leaving him at home.
2.) 31 Mar 2024 14:44:19
Guess we will have to wait and see on that one Tim. I hope he is not selected.
3.) 31 Mar 2024 14:44:22
Yet ETH keeps selecting him.
4.) 31 Mar 2024 15:37:21
I'm guessing that is not optional Redman.
If I'm EtH I'm subbing him off before half time at this stage, just to make a point. He may as well go out on his sword as continue to stand on this player who has done nothing but disrespect the club for more than 12 months.
I would also be subbing bruno off too. He is also disrespectful in a different way. Just hoofing the ball about trying to play an impossible pass rather than helping the team to build an attack properly.
5.) 31 Mar 2024 17:27:59
How do you mean not optional DB?
Surely it's not contractual your suggesting?
6.) 31 Mar 2024 20:02:14
Subbing him off before half time will also give the fans chance to make known what they think about him.
What an small human being he is. A total embarrassment to himself.
Up until now I've been thinking eth should have another season but I've changed my mind. That he keeps selecting Rashford, Bruno, McTominany and utd have 30+ shots against them wvery game tells me he hasn't a clue what he is doing.
7.) 31 Mar 2024 21:46:46
I can't understand why rashford is not being dropped ever. Or subbed before about i0 mins ever. Bruno not dropped ever. Not subbed ever.
I am clinging onto some hope that EtH is not gutless and is being told by the club, maybe due to players contracts, that they have to play.
If that is not the case then my thoughts on EtH drop a long way.
Would like to see mount in the team, he at least tries to pass to a teammate once in a while. Would also like to see a more solid set up with players who will press from the front. But fully expect to see Rashad and bruno again all next game.
8.) 31 Mar 2024 23:04:50
Just not really working this season for some reason. I’m inclined to agree with Ed about Erik likely moving on in the summer.
I think the new team running football matters will want to make sweeping changes all round and bring in their own people; and that includes all footballing matters such as coaches, manager, players, recruitment, medical and data teams.
17 Mar 2024 18:42:38
Happy Saint Patrick's day to all.
Perfect weekend.
Villa lose spurs lose united win.
Good draw for the semi final.
Won't mention the game as this is not for match posts.
On another note I wonder will Amad be checking social media tonight. ?
Have a great day?.
1.) 17 Mar 2024 19:11:59
Absolute scenes!
2.) 17 Mar 2024 19:16:06
Won’t mention the game, too difficult to mention the managers substitutions and tactical changes Ken? ?.
3.) 17 Mar 2024 19:17:05
Nice1 Mr Weed. ?
By the way, I thought ETH managed the game well today and his substitutions were spot on re timing and personnel. Great game, proper cup tie, the best draw we could hope for. Happy St Patrick’s day. ?.
4.) 17 Mar 2024 19:33:58
All the Leeds and Liverpool fans in my WhatsApp went silent…. happy days ??? GGMU!
5.) 17 Mar 2024 19:39:37
Wazza if you were not such a dope you'll find I posted about the match on the match posts well before you mouthed off on exactly what you said.
6.) 17 Mar 2024 19:51:03
Haha wazza. Ken will definitely not do that. But Erik nailed it today.
7.) 17 Mar 2024 19:58:24
Law of averages says ETH must get something right one in a while!
8.) 17 Mar 2024 20:30:26
Sorry angel got in about an hour before you.
9.) 17 Mar 2024 20:42:30
Don’t think Villa lost?
10.) 17 Mar 2024 21:09:08
Hey weed,
On the live chat, I got on to you over a Maguire comment. You are well entitled to say if that annoys you and we all have our bug bearers. I didn't need to call on you over it. Sorry man, Happy St Patrick's day.
11.) 17 Mar 2024 21:25:03
Yep I saw it sweet heart, just a little bit of banter. Hope your mood is lifted after that win so you can take a break from being your glum and miserable self. Have a great week.
12.) 17 Mar 2024 21:51:15
No worries banjoe at all. You were right. Sackable was harsh but sissies suspendable for sure.
I'd like to see coaches condemn it and there be retrospective consequences for it.
I just can't stand it from our players particularly.
13.) 17 Mar 2024 22:00:26
You won't meet a more optimistic and positive supporter than me with regards to our short and medium term future wazza.
I am full of hope and optimism I've no doubt at all that in a couple of years time we will be in a lot better shape going into the following 5 years. I think the future looks bright. It's a steep hill but I think this summer will be very interesting.
Before that we have 12 games to win.
If we win 8 league games which is a tall order we have top hope villa and or spurs lose 4 or 5 of their last 10.
Not beyond the realms of possibility.
I foresee a crazy media spotlight on the club this summer i'm glad the euros are on to take some of the heat off but I am looking forward to 31st Aug more than usual already.
14.) 17 Mar 2024 22:25:18
Nice Ken.
We have a tough run now. Of our next 5 PL games, 3 are away, and our 2 home games are Liverpool and Newcastle.
Fortunately, Villa and Spurs both have to play City, Liverpool and Arsenal in their last 10.
We may also rely on Spurs being Spursy.
15.) 18 Mar 2024 01:26:32
No gds 2 I didn't wait for the var. 5 min delay trying to find a handball at the end. I thought West ham had nicked it.
11 Mar 2024 11:18:57
We keep hearing these players three Jose under bus and lvg and ole.
Looking at snr players I think only rashford and Shaw and martial remain from lvg.
Only dalot rash Shaw martial lindelof mctom were here with Jose.
Those 5 plus sancho awb maguire and varane from ole.
So is it just rash Shaw and martial that keep throwing managers under the bus?
Onana malacia martinez ericksen cassimero Antony garnacho mainoo rasmus mount are eth signings or youth.
There are 3 others ole signed in amad pellistri and vdb that are simply not good enough to break into the team.
So if its the players that keep getting the managers fired then eth has 10 new ones and the ones that have done best of that 10 were in our academy the others have still a lot to do to convince most of us. Maybe they will become the new toxic players. Despite their winning pedigree elsewhere.
1.) 11 Mar 2024 12:18:58
So by your post you clearly see what a mish mash of a squad we have yes? Completely unbalanced. On top of that ridiculous injury list yet you still feel the need to criticise the manager at every move he makes . I’d say your post is great example that a bit of understanding is needed within the fan base that this job is not easy, with ineos I hope whoever is in charge finds it a bit easier! ETH or the next guy!
2.) 11 Mar 2024 12:35:49
I think it's less about players intentionally downing tools and more about a collective poor mentality.
They seem to lack fight, they have a tendency to sulk when things get tough. They retreat into themselves and shirk responsibility for their own performances.
It seems to be a recurring thing no matter who we get rid of and bring in.
Weak mentality and bad attitudes can seep into others far easier than strong mentality and great attitude does.
3.) 11 Mar 2024 13:17:39
It’s a rinse and repeat cycle since Moyes was sacked. We hire a manager. They try to implant their own style of play. They bring in some players to help them implement it. There seems to be improvement. The squad hits a tough patch. The players shrink into themselves and seem lacking in fight and effort. The manager’s job is at risk. They start setting the team up in a safety first counterattack style. The fans pile on the manager for the team having no identity. The manager gets sacked.
The truth is that the squad has no leaders. It has no players that are unable to step up during difficult spells and drive the rest of the squad on. The squad has no character. It has young players, players afraid of responsibility and players enjoying a big payday at the end of their career. The closest we have to a leader is Martinez who has been injured for most of his time at the club.
4.) 11 Mar 2024 13:34:49
I agree shappy it's about mentality. Varane ericksen cssimero onana martinez all serial winners malacia rashford with England mctom with Scotland Shaw with England all these guys looked OK before they came and look good elsewhere. So why do bad at united.?
5.) 11 Mar 2024 14:19:28
The culture is set higher up.
The stadium, the training facilities, all sub-par. These young players, like our fans, like shiny new things. Look at the clubs that are doing well, all with new or refurbished state-of-the art facilities.
Imagine walking out at Spurs stadium, or the Emirates, or training at City's facilities.
And then look at ours. Maybe this is a good place to start when wondering why for the past 10 years, we sign players who quickly regress. This is nothing new, and nothing to do with ETH.
6.) 11 Mar 2024 14:25:05
I don't actually believe in this group there are as many downing tools, I just don't think enough of them are good enough to play how ETH wants to. You could see Saturday from the start that they were trying to play out from the back and through the press but just weren't capable of it.
7.) 11 Mar 2024 15:25:47
He has 10 new players.
8.) 11 Mar 2024 15:28:13
Thats mad ken, all those players still there and we expect ETH to do any better with that mix mash, bunch of players that have consistently been inconsistent.
Square peg in round holes. Bring ETH, who is a clone pep and expect him to do better with those individuals you name, jesus christ ?.
9.) 11 Mar 2024 15:48:52
In my humble view apart from one bad egg (Sancho) the players aren't intentionally going out to 'down tools' or get anyone sacked. They're generally a collection of good players, one or two excellent ones most teams would take and a handful of average ones. Controversial I guess.
We've had a handful of excellent managers, most of whom had won things at other clubs.
Sir Jim had it right in his interview - can't remember the exact phrase, but he remarked that if the same issues kept arising, the problems were obviously above the managers and players.
He's on the case already.
10.) 11 Mar 2024 15:54:27
It’s also important to remember that not every transfer is the manager’s choice. I always remember when Jose said he was offered Fred or no new midfielder. Casemiro sounds like an example of that for me. Clearly not ETH’s preferred choice, but we needed a holding mid, so it was him or nothing. Likewise, I don’t know whose idea it was to sign Mount.
Antony is a massive failure on ETH’s part. Huge money for a very limited player. Hojland looks a very good prospect. Onana is starting to look good and has improved throughout the season. Martinez is an excellent player, but unlucky with injuries. Malacia, again, a good back up left back but injury. I think there’s probably questions to be asked of the medical and conditioning staff given the amount of injuries. Hard training doesn’t do that, it’s poor conditioning. Eriksen, good option on a free, but looking like his legs have gone.
A mixed bunch of signings, but given recruitment has been a massive problem at the club for years, I’m not sure how much can be laid at the manager’s feet.
11.) 11 Mar 2024 17:08:59
Since ferfie left these useless played have been in 6 or 7 finals in 10 years.
2 last year
In last 9 years Liverpool have won 1 more trophy.
We have no challenged in the league in all those years.
In last 6 seasons we have contested 6 finals.
Useless players don't do that.
12.) 11 Mar 2024 17:38:05
Ken it was only last week you were saying our trophies would be swapped with Liverpool’s in an instant. Now you’re comparing the two to suit your narrative. Give up ?.
13.) 11 Mar 2024 22:07:59
Ken. Is Maguire/ Evans as good on the ball and at receiving the ball as Martinez in tight situations and dealing with the press? No. Is Martinez essential in the way ETH wants to play? Yes. This is where these players aren’t good enough. They are not useless but they’re not good enough in this system. Defensively if we try press from the front our midfield squeeze and so should the defence but they lack pace so stay deeper so therefore huge gaps are between defence and midfield. ETH didn’t think Maguire was good enough to play how he wants but a sale didn’t happen, he didn’t identify Evans as a signing he wanted to play his system, he signed as cover on a free because we needed bodies. Do you honestly believe Maguire and Evans would play 20+ games in a fully fit City or Liverpool team?
14.) 11 Mar 2024 23:52:40
Of course I don't ports maguire or Evans would not get into most teams.
15.) 12 Mar 2024 01:43:46
I think fans are just si know seeing the same old BS from the players. Leaks to press. Powerful agents. Poor effort and quality on the pitch. Not liking playing certain positions. I just think a few of the linger serving players have used up all their chances with the fans. New players and a fresh start will bring a fresh new hope. Old players remind us all of failures past.
16.) 12 Mar 2024 11:08:53
Come on Tumble. Pretty sure Maguire would get into at least 2/ 3 sides in the Prem? Evans half, purely based on age. I get that Maguire isn't a liked player and no Franz Beckenbauer but putting that aside he's an England starter which again many will say doesn't mean a great deal but they're probably favourites for the Euros.
17.) 12 Mar 2024 15:40:14
These ten players he got just for perspective in the last 2-3 weeks when he’s been getting pelters for style or performance or results he’s mainly had 3 signings playing, Keeper whose been good, cas whose been poor who I also don’t believe was an ETH signing and evans who quite clearly was never meant to be here! So perspective is needed and sensible heads are needed! It’s not rocket science imo! Just because idiots on sky and talksport fail to acknowledge the issues he’s having and go for the jugular when you delve into facts it’s little wonder we look disjointed and lack consistency!
18.) 12 Mar 2024 16:12:46
The sun was shining out of Casemiro's backside until this week, did I miss a memo? :D.
04 Mar 2024 10:34:53
Considering our coach is completely delusional and that he is close to becoming as big an embarrassment to the club as ole was, what are people thoughts on his successor.
Eth is as good as gone. There is zero hope for him. Complete ostrich with his head in the sand.
No candidate is perfect as far as I'm concerned
They will reach have some baggage or professional trauma behind them.
For me the key is the ability the new guy has with working our new dof and team.
Alignment there from the start is a must, so it will be interesting to see what they decide.
Potter
De zerbi
Tuchel
Conte
These are the 3 names I suspect it will come down to. Although ed002 had a few other names on the list but I think a couple of them are going elsewhere.
Can't wait for a change of direction led from the top down.
1.) 04 Mar 2024 10:51:06
So which are the three and which is the extra? ???.
2.) 04 Mar 2024 11:21:50
I suspect an outsider. I have no grounds for that of course!
I just hope it’s someone with some balls.
3.) 04 Mar 2024 11:33:39
ETH is not delusional, he did very well in his first season and has been unfortunate with injuries this season.
Also had to deal with the partial sale process throughout his whole tenure and subpar recruitment (which is party his fault no doubt but not helped by murtough and arnold in the first summer) .
I would like to see Tuchel come in as he is better with the media and man manager than ETH but wouldn't be against ETH staying for a third season.
4.) 04 Mar 2024 11:57:08
I don’t think there is an outstanding candidate but the one who I definitely don’t want is Potter
He would be chewed up and spat out within 12 months
If he thought Chelsea was a goldfish bowl it ain’t nothing compared to Utd
My choice would be either Amorim or Simeone.
5.) 04 Mar 2024 11:58:39
Agree with both sides really. he's had so much to deal with in terms of disruption and injuries. I genuinely don't think many could have done much more. He dealt with Ronaldo and Sancho pretty swiftly. It's obvious we needed a LB and CF, he'll know that more than anyone, but the club haven't obliged. Guess they're waiting for summer.
And yet it is a results game, and 11 defeats, many at home to frankly sides we would expect something against, is appalling. Some pretty underwhelming sides have literally taken us apart, particularly in midfield. I dread to think where we'd be if not for the emergence of Mainoo.
But, because it's fun to play along, why not.
Potter - really underwhelmed by this possibility based on the only two things we can go on - the Brighton era and the Chelsea one. How much did the brilliant background set-up of Brighton assist him, and how much did the woeful Chelsea one hinder him? How many in-game tactical moments of genius can I remember from Potter? Dunno if he's the man.
De zerbi - love this guy, although for all the brilliant results they've had a few shockers themselves.
Tuchel and Conte both scare me and are hot-headed. Just like everywhere else they've ever been, and just as with Mourinho, I'm pretty sure that after an initial bounce it'd go sour at some point.
Think Nagelsmann has to be in the chat. Available and (prior to EtH) seen as one of the best up and coming managers about not so long ago.
Amorim - don't know much about this chap but keeps coming up.
6.) 04 Mar 2024 12:26:07
ETH does not help himself and comes across as delusional. I almost feel sorry for him.
“Rashy was dangerous” When? Watching a different game to most people pal.
“We were close to winning” Never in a month of Sundays. Nobody realistically expected to win that one.
“We are up for this game. I can smell it” What happened? Set up to defend and hope for the breaks against the best team in world at the moment. Was never going to work.
He asked Rashy if he had been touched! Seriously! He should have been tearing him a new one for being so soft and losing possession so far up the park when 1:1
Sadly I am now officially on the ETH out bandwagon. Clearly very much out of his depth.
Yes yes we have injuries galore, but there are teams out there with lesser players than our fringe players that have given City a better game and beaten us.
It comes down to heart and desire to play for the shirt and not the money.
Very frustrating year indeed! Do I know the answer? Not at all. I am only an idiot fan but I have seen enough to know it ain’t going to be right with ETH here.
7.) 04 Mar 2024 14:02:09
Could very well be Potter because clearly liked by SJR and perhaps he thinks they can build just as good as team that was at Brighton and all work in Tandem, I would not judge anything on the Chelsea fiasco, would he be my choice, no, but least he will try play better football that’s more suited to EPL. and got to be a better man manager.
Hansi Flick would still be my choice, but looks like he heading elsewhere and don’t think he will suit the SJR way anyway, same as Simeone won’t, so can’t see neither of them.
Nagglesman, if your judging potter by Chelsea stint you have to judge Nagglesman by Munich stint, upset everybody, but like I said before too much
interference for anyone at Bayern.
Wild card could well be Ange from Tottenham, no doubting his ability as man manager and plays football the fans love and appears loved by everyone too….
For me anyone but ETH. For reasons I been saying for months and months.
Just hope it’s joined up thinking and a good management team is built. Plus att the coaches go, because they are not part of any solution and certainly not blameless in the fiasco we been watching.
8.) 04 Mar 2024 14:07:58
Potter, Nagelsmann or maybe Amorim?
9.) 04 Mar 2024 14:30:11
We were winning for a large part of the game.
Rash should have done better with 2 other golden chances in first 20 mins. And yes. Haaland missed 1.
Pull back on Rashford, not given. Other similar fouls given in game.
Ederson challenge is a stone wall penalty, borderline redcard.
We got beat by a better side. But going in on ten hag after that game is a little silly in my eyes. Rash was injured had to come off. Evans injured had to come off. We had nothing left on the bench to do anything. No striker, no leftback.
This squad is miles off that city team and we made a game of it. We still need to empty out the older players from this squad and start again around our younger players. Years time we are competitive again. If anyone thinks we get better by bringing in a new manager, unless you clear the players we will just delay how long it takes to get back to the top.
10.) 04 Mar 2024 14:42:58
Big Sam. He’s not the hero we need, but he’s the hero we deserve.
11.) 04 Mar 2024 14:11:32
He is delusional dsg.
Have you been listening to him? Have you read his comments on rashford? On Antony? On how close we are to city?
Reminds me of ole.
12.) 04 Mar 2024 15:33:04
Strangeways - I get your points, but is it fair to give Potter a free pass at Chelsea because of the turmoil there at the time, but not allow ten Hag a fair crack of the whip when/ if things stabilise at Utd?
13.) 04 Mar 2024 16:01:03
One thing forgot to add spenno, a lot of the turmoil is of ETH own making….
14.) 04 Mar 2024 16:05:06
Spenno do you think we will get a manager that's not failed anywhere?
15.) 04 Mar 2024 16:42:31
Is there such a thing Tumble, Pep or Klopp aside?
16.) 04 Mar 2024 16:55:40
It is not out of the realms of possibility that we bring in someone out of left field with the new leadership group making the decisions. I am not sure what manager connections there are to City which Berrada may bring to the table, similarly with Ashworth should he come in (consensus is he likes Potter but this is heresay) .
I hope we are planning for the next move now and starting to have the relevant conversations if possible with managers. With the scousers, Barcelona, Bayern, possibly Newcastle on the look out it could be very competitive.
{Ed002's Note - Ashworth is very close to Potter, but he is not the recommendation of Ashworth.}
17.) 04 Mar 2024 16:58:58
What turmoil is that then Strangeways?
18.) 04 Mar 2024 17:12:02
How is ten hag responsible for the turmoil?
Does everyone on here want the players to run the club? Train when they want to. Turn up when they want to?
19.) 04 Mar 2024 17:14:13
You could bring in pep or anyone else and soon as we have a couple of bad results certain idiots on here will be calling for a change and criticising his every move ???.
20.) 04 Mar 2024 17:27:26
I thought klopp got relegated in Germany I could be wrong.
But that's my point spenno no matter who we go for there will be a bit on their copy book.
Some will point to potters failure at Chelsea
Or tuchel at bayern
Or conte at spurs
Etc etc
We just have to trust the judgement of sjr and team.
That's probably easier than trusting the failed judgements of woodward murtagh and Co.
Unless we appoint pep we won't get 100% agreement on anybody.
I don't care who it is at all to be honest I really don't. I'll trust the judgement of the management and as long as we see steady progression I'll be fully onboard.
Hope is all we have as supporters imo. So I'll I'm hoping for is to see steady sustainable improvements.
21.) 04 Mar 2024 17:36:13
Inzaghi from Inter. Plays 3-5-2. Dalot would fit nicely into his system. We’d still need a striker and a left wingback but it would rid our team of the likes of Rashford, Antony and our other incompetent wide players.
Maybe even Maguire would look better in a 3 alongside Martinez and Varane.
22.) 04 Mar 2024 19:26:13
I'd be pretty annoyed if we hired Conte or Tuchel, both have a habit of rubbing people up the wrong way and causing unrest at a club.
Tuchel's style of play would be a better fit than Conte's.
But I'm not sure either would really want the job. A 3-5 year project to turn the side around before realistically challenging for major honours and what appears to be a job with less control than they've typically wanted at their previous clubs.
I don't think the United job is one for a vastly experienced manager right now. I think it's probably more suited to an up and coming manager, someone who can grow with it, the club and the squad over the next few years.
De Zerbi, Amorim, Alonso, Slot, Farioli or Tedesco could all do a good job I feel.
23.) 04 Mar 2024 21:02:22
Please forgive the cheeky request Ed002 but are you able to say who Ashworth’s recommendation for manager is pls?
Thanks as always for any info you are able to reveal.
{Ed002's Note - None of those listed were suggested by him. He will have a say.}
24.) 04 Mar 2024 21:12:54
Thank you for your swift response Ed002 - very much appreciated.
You really are a master of intrigue at times!
02 Apr 2024 16:09:35
Imagine a winner that crossed the ball. Rasmus wouldn't know what to do with himself.
21 Mar 2024 18:10:00
Really good post keefy.
2 ears one mouth. Use them in that proportion is good advice.
21 Mar 2024 18:07:35
Slow news week. Media pushing Uniteds fans buttons again and sitting back and laughing at the social media meltdowns.
He won't be here forever but he will be here for a few years yet I'd imagine.
21 Mar 2024 18:05:03
Casimero will know his own body too. He obviously just didn't feel right and felt there was something there and was right.
You'd like to think these things were never missed but they are. Lots of muscle injuries this season as opposed to impact. I think martinez and mainoo were the only impact injuries of note.
I wonder why that is? Players play too much but you get examples like Bruno who has never once missed a club game through injury which is a mad stat really. Obviously some of it is genetics but you have to wonder why so many muscle injuries. We are not alone with the issue.
21 Mar 2024 13:36:56
Same way as it can happen to any doctor dealing with any patient in any hospital in the world.
It's no drama no matter how much people try to dramatise it.
25 Apr 2024 11:32:03
Can't be critical of him last night or indeed for effort practically every week.
15 Apr 2024 14:25:14
Yeah spenno my 1st every live match was the 77 final.
Spenno a lot of the high profile players make more money off their social media accounts than they do playing football. It's the world we live in. It's how a lot of that generation communicate. Bizarre to you and me
Old dogs and new tricks springs to mind.
If you only knew how much some of them make for a few posts it would make your hair curl.
08 Apr 2024 21:15:29
@ shappy he started garnacho on the left v Chelsea and Anthony on the right it went well I think that's a valid argument.
But that's up to eth. Rashford scored v Liverpool in the last game so he made his choice.
@ ork. We all have our opinions, for every positive stat in favour of eth there is a damning negative one.
We could play that ying v yang forever.
Because none of us really have a clue we can only comment on our gut feelings and on what we see.
Taking aside the hap hazard poor football and lack of cohesion and awful defending blah blah blah because there are some mitigating circumstances for some of that, I look at it from my own viewpoint.
I would not like to be stuck in the trenches with eth.
I would not blindly follow him over the hill.
I would not trust him to have the answers, I wouldn't turn to him if I was in trouble and I would doubt a lot of what he is saying to me, I have too many doubts after 18 months of first believing then hesitating then doubts, and now certainty that I wouldn't follow him over any hill.
He is not a leader I would follow anywhere.
I'd love to be stuck in the trenches with pep klopp fergie wenger young Jose, simione emeryeven mad conte (for the craic) . They are guys that have their players running over the hill with double back packs if they have to.
I see traits in his leadership that I don't like or agree with and I would not like to work under him. ( just to say I don't know him or any facts for the politically correct brigade) I've formed my opinion on my perceptions like we all do. (That's how you form your opinions too)
I think he lacks charisma and he does't help himself with his press conferences.
The relationship that flows between fans manager and players the unity I long for is not there.
I don't believe in him I don't see a sustainable successful future under him at all.
I see a few cup wins and palatable football ish but nothing near enough to close the gap on not only our peers in England but also Europe.
I can't see any compelling reason to stick with him. We are 13 points behind where we were last season.
Our players are not any fitter.
We don't pass the ball any quicker.
We don't defend set pieces any better. we don't score more goals. We don't dominate possession. We give a shot away every 3 mins.
He has lost 24 games out of79 in the league.
Rotten cl campaign.
No cl next season
I can just imagine if Southgate took off a winger in the euro final when leading and brought on a midfielder and lost what the reaction would be and imagine if he did it twice 3 days apart. I dare say he would be getting pelters for negativity.
I agree if martinez or Shaw had been available all season it would have been better but that does not explain enough away imo.
Disclaimer
Mine is an opinion of 1. It is based on my perceptions. I admit its based on my subjectivity. I think and hope that the new management will be aligned with some of my observations and feelings and perceptions.
Nobody should be too irked by others perceptions / opinions because they are based on little or no knowledge or facts and are totally invalid when it comes to the decision makers.
If not they are seeing something I'm not then that's fine. They know more than I do.
The only person who is in the position to change my opinion of eth is ETH himself.
On sancho I think the club, eth and particularly sancho all handled the situation badly. The club will suffer the most in the long run.
Not taking sancho's side at all but the whole thing got out of hand because it was let get out of hand.
I think eth will always be only around the corner from his next ronaldo / sancho / varane (a lesser but still by all accounts a difficult situation) / rashford type stand off.
Football fans only have 2 things belief and hope.
With eth I don't believe I only hope.
I think it's the same for the players I believe that's evident by what their producing.
Leading to mediocrity is hard enough leading to greatness is not easy and I don't think eth has got it.
Change now.
In business and I assume its the same in sport as it will be for us all.
You regret the things you don't do in life a lot more often than the things you do, do.
I would not be sticking because of a fear of the unknown. If the known is not a as good as it can be never fear the unknown.
08 Apr 2024 11:18:03
Big willy is on the rise spenno.
04 Apr 2024 13:52:00
Dilb that's exactly what good managers do. Turn players into great posters.