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02 May 2021 19:40:07
Good evening on a disgraceful day when so-called fans invaded the theatre of dreams and caused the postponement of today's match. There is a place for protest, but not like that.

I have a proposal for the premier league. It is simple. They declare that the owners of the clubs that sought to defect to the European Super League be declared as "NOT FIT AND SUITABLE" to own a football club in England. That is a sanction against the owners and not against the club. Give them 3 months to obtain a buyer.

Red Setter

1.) 02 May 2021 19:47:06
Like that's going to happen 😂😂😂.


2.) 02 May 2021 20:06:25
Hope they carry on protesting tbh.


3.) 02 May 2021 20:12:12
Lobby your MP. The Sports minister has some influence - more than any of us individuals.


4.) 02 May 2021 21:35:35
So called fans is a bit much.
Most will be local lads with ties going back through parents and grandparents. Take nothing away fans living further away, I can just emphasise and understand their emotional response but don't excuse any violence or vandalism (not seen anything really) .

I do agree to some extent with your idea, though.

What about a form of Owners licence? Out of all the owners who would legit pass the fit and proper
, If reassessed now and after Newcastle's takeover was forced off. Sovereign wealth funds, Russian Oligarchs, Potless Americans?

Not sure how you would control or move them out maybe on but would reduce investment and competition.

But could lead the way for fan Ownership.

Any news of the Red Knights from back in the day? I could imagine Jim Ratcliffe looking if the deal was good but not out of any love for the club. Also pretty funny and harsh on Fred.


 

 

21 Jul 2017 12:25:13
Greetings to all the editors and posters. Thanks in particular to Ed002 for incisive comments.
However, the time has come for a reality check.
1 - In order to compete successfully in the EPL and the CL, a large squad is needed. In 2017, 3 squad members were sold plus 1 returnee, the highest goalscorer was lost by injury (and non-renewal of his contract) and several squad members are still suffering long-term injuries. Yet, only 2 recruits have been obtained, plus 1 returnee. JM knows full well that the squad is much too small.
2 - JM is absolutely right to praise in public the efforts of EW and his team to bring in new players, but in truth it has been clear for at least 3 years that he and his team are not first rate at persuading other teams to sell and players to join. (Starting with a failure to buy Fallaini's services until deadline day) . The sooner Utd recruits a new negotiating team the better, in order to free EW to continue with his fantastic work in obtaining new sponsors. Players win matches, not money in the bank. Recruit scouts and negotiators from teams that have been successful - eg Monaco.
3 - It is illuminating and extremely disappointing that even though the Englan teams from U17 to U21 have been extremely successful this summer, there is not even a single Utd outfield player in any of them Not one. Regretably, that says a great deal about the efforts of the club in the last 5 years to harvest local talent. Of course, it isn't easy, but developing your own talent is really advantageous if you find it difficult recruit experienced players. More and better scouts are needed, plus a plan to offer young recruits playing experience in competitive games.
I look forward to hearing the views of others - and indeed their own solutions to how to obtain the best players and strongest squad.
Red Setter.

Red Setter

1.) 21 Jul 2017 12:45:40
Well maybe the likes of tuanzebe, tfm, a Pereira, j Pereira will feature more this season.

Rashford would have been in the u21s but has skipped them for the full team.

Agree we need a couple of signings but if clubs are awkward what can we do.


2.) 21 Jul 2017 13:01:59
Hi Mort
get better negotiators. I assume that Chelsea will succeed in recruiting Morata for a fee that RM rejected from Utd. City has been successful at bringing in more new faces than us.
Red Setter.


3.) 21 Jul 2017 13:02:07
Wasn't one of LVG's goals to revamp the scouting system, which everyone has agreed has been in decline for years.

I think EW has been at the forefront of this with the recruitment of Bout as Head of Global Scouting along with Harrison and Tomlinson from Man City's Academy along with 100+ scouts across the world.

It maybe a few years before we start seeing the benefits but at least the problem is being addressed.


4.) 21 Jul 2017 13:12:12
Woodward has done good in the last 2 summer windows. He got Jose 4 targets last summer and the window is still open for a while yet and we already have 2.

It's obvious he wants the players in eailer but if it takes time then fair do.


I would much rather be getting the players we want taking a while than panic buy for 2md and 3rd choices.


5.) 21 Jul 2017 13:23:50
Agree Bolger. Too many blaming Woody when actually we've signed plenty of players in recent times and big names at that. If we pay too much, people complain. If we walk away from ridiculous demands, people complain. He can't win.


6.) 21 Jul 2017 13:34:31
Ya and he could have sorted the fee for perisic in June and made it a lot easier as ed002 has said.


7.) 21 Jul 2017 13:47:45
Woodward isn't the problem with getting the deals done. You have to set limits on what a target is worth. You can occasionally pay well over the odds for a player who is essential but if you do it too often people start taking the p**s. I would be more than happy if we did no more business this window even if all it achieves is letting other teams negotiators know we will walk from deals and you can't string us along thinking mug united always caves eventually. If it was a 24 year old giggs then fair enough pay em what they want but a 28year old perisic as good as he is a limit needs to be set and 48m is way too much.


8.) 21 Jul 2017 14:15:12
Bolger,
last summer's transfer dealings were indeed much better than the two previous summers, but Ibrahimovitch owes more to JM than EW. We will probably never know the full cost of Pogba's move, but the lure of returning "home" was an incentive, o in reality it's the two others for which EW deserves praise.
regards other posts, Utd has a surfeit of great or promising goalkeepers, so perhaps one at least should be employed as a bargaining chip.
Yes, some good poaching of the unsung backroom guys has been made, but there's a long way to go.
Wasn't Lukaku 2nd choice?
The need for strengthening the squad was known since February, and emphasised in April. So there has been plenty of time to bring in players, aided by the attraction of qualification to the Champions League.
The transfer glass is not even half full this summer.


9.) 21 Jul 2017 14:20:26
if it had not been for AM's transfer ban I am sure AG would have been here now too.

What would everyone then had made of our transfer window so far?

as it is, the ban was not overturned he did the honourable thing and stayed to help his club when he knew that they would not be able to replace him did he leave and so we moved onto our 2nd target for that position perisic.

now as mentioned above we may have sorted his deal earlier for a fair price but i guess that as he was 2nd option and inter needed the money we decided to test the waters and get him for less than inter wanted. it didn't work and here we are.

now they want top dollar for him and we are reluctant to pay what they are asking. for all we know they may now be stuck on a certain fee and not budging. there is NO negotiation as they will not budge and we not want to go any higher either. this will either drag on until one party gives in and meets the others demands or the deal won't happen.

personally if AG has given any indication that he would join in JAN I would wait.


10.) 21 Jul 2017 14:40:42
Personally I think Madrid had no intention in selling to us and were just messing us around in some pettiness relating to faxgate. Inter also have been hard to negotiate with regards perisic and demanding martial. How would you negotiate around that.


11.) 21 Jul 2017 14:55:24
The clear evidence that EW messed up was the inability to get the Peresic deal done early. As Ed002 pointed out many times, Peresic was available for a cut price IF the deal was done early so Inter could avoid financial sanctions. We didn't move fast enough, and Inter were able to sort it out via other strategies, meaning they were able to start playing hardball in negotiations with us. We know teams want to try and squeeze us for extra cash, so surely we should try to leverage a situation when we have an advantage. From a strategic perspective, Peresic surely should have been the first order of business and the failure to target him early lies with EW. Given the prices being quoted now, that error could cost us £20-30 million.


12.) 21 Jul 2017 14:58:28
We have to remember that money is meaningless to the city and Chelsea who will spend what it takes to be successful.
Also I would imagine that those clubs are happier to pay all or at least most of any transfer fee up front which the selling club prefer.


13.) 21 Jul 2017 17:02:50
Red setter if chelsea are going to get morata for less than we offered that isn't due to the quality of negotiators that's due to madrid not wanting to sell to us or wanting something else out of the deal i don't think he does a bad job and gets a bad press on here all things considered he is a business man whose talent lies in getting commercial deals and he is very good at it not in transfer dealings but let's be honest bar the van persie deal and maybe berbatov in the 10 years before him what top top players did we sign? Yet under woodward we have signed di maria falcao zlatan pogba mkhitaryan?


14.) 21 Jul 2017 20:43:19
Yet city and Chelsea always get better deals done. Jesus didn't break the bank. Neither did Silva nor De bruyne. Chelsea got Costa for A decent price and bakoyoko too.
We seem to go on for months trying to sign players and then panic and pay over the odds.
Ew is not a good transfers negotiator. I think mourinho will tell you this.

{Ed004's Note - I don't get this arguement at all. At the times Silva and De Bruyne were big money signings and I'd near enough bet they were in the top 5 transfer fees for their respective windows. Chelsea and City are put on a pedestal and I'm not sure why. City have been trying to sign Mendy all window and have just signed Walker for an insane fee and I'm not even sure he would've been first choice at Spurs this summer. Chelsea currently are struggling to sign Sandro while paying a fortune for a sub striker who has only scored 40 league goals in his 8 professional seasons.
I really do think Ed Woodward gets a hard time on here. Only his first window could be classified as a failure}


15.) 21 Jul 2017 21:15:31
All hail Ed004. Are you trying to demote Ed002 with one wise sayings?

{Ed004's Note - I will never claim to know as much as Ed2 when it comes to transfers or how clubs are run but Woodward seems to be an easy scapegoat on here for us fans at times. I'm sure if he was as imcompetent as us fans think he wouldn't still be at the club}


16.) 21 Jul 2017 21:30:27
Yeah well most peep s live in the football manager ps/ xbox world, not reality.

And just for the record your opinions are as highly regarding as the infamous Ed002 as much as we love her.


 

 

11 Jul 2016 13:33:55
So, the latest twist is that Pogba is using interest from us to obtain a new and probably more lucrative contract from Juventus.
Sorry if I sound jaundiced, but it's the same old story from the past three summer windows. You can name the players who played that game just as easily as I can. So who should be the real and realistic target to improve defensive midfield?

Red Setter

1.) 11 Jul 2016 17:19:00
We need a box to box/ playmaker not a defensive midfielder hence why were trying to get pogba! Don't know what you've been watching if you think he's a DM!


2.) 11 Jul 2016 17:26:07
I don't give a s##t who we sign but I hope it's done quickly because the thought of going through the whole window with some long saga is enough to make me want to watch golf 😉.


3.) 11 Jul 2016 17:28:10
I'm not sure Pogba was being brought to improve the defensive side of midfield? Either way I am confident the Mourinho is shrewd enough not to get caught up in chasing 1 player for the whole summer. It would suggest that the Matudi rumours could have some substance now if this is the case with Pogba. For the defensive side of midfield, if Schneiderlin is not deemed good enough, which I would disagree with anyway, I like the look of Carvalho and would like to see us go after him.


4.) 11 Jul 2016 17:58:37
Schneiderlin is not a defensive midfielder.


5.) 11 Jul 2016 18:59:35
433 with Matuidi, pogba and schneiderlin in the middle would be tough to get through and very athletic going forward.
Feeding Martial, zlatan and Rashford.
shaw and darmian patrolling the flanks with attacking intent with Bailly, ddg and Smalling keeping the back door shut.
This manager lark is easy!

{Ed004's Note - Mkhitarian? But I'd worry that Matuidi and Pogba just don't work well together}


6.) 11 Jul 2016 19:36:23
The game last night summed Pogba up for me and what i have said many many times. In a big game big players step forward but he does not have that and the fee is ridiculous if you ask me. He is physical specimen no doubt but not a game changer. for that kind of money the player needs to be a game changer and completely dominate the game.


7.) 11 Jul 2016 19:32:34
Hey, so not new to site, but new poster. Wanted just to agree with ED004, Matuidi and Pogba was wrong choice by France, shouldve played Kante instead of Matuidi, and allowed Pogba to be more attacking.
He had typical DM role game, wasnt exciting, Schneiderlin isn't a DM either as others have stated, and i would like United to sign Kante as well.

{Ed004's Note - On X Files post - How was Pogba meant to influence the game last night? If he starts to bomb forward he leaves the defense completely vulnerable. Portugal created very little last night and were fortunate to win. Hello Toppie good to have new posters. It's seems to get the best from Pogba we would need to play him on the left hand side of a 433. Our best football came playing that formation under Lvg and our left hand side was at its strongest with Shaw, Fellaini and Young combining. It's would now just be slightly upgraded and better if we play Shaw, Pogba and Martial...}


8.) 11 Jul 2016 20:11:03
You are probably right with regards to our left side being very dangerous with shaw being the catalyst with his attacking runs, and i personally believe if he hadnt broken his leg, his involvement in our team would have perhaps given us more attacking emphasis.
As i'm sure others have mentioned, our right side has partially been fixed, and i beleive mkhitaryan will mostly either play as our RW which i more than think he can do, and do well. But worries me is darmien and his shocking form later on in the season.
And who de we play as a DM, or do we just go about playing hyperthetically if Pogba had to sign, Pogba, Schneiderlin/ carrick/ Sweinsteiger and perhaps herrera/ rooney in slightly more offensive position with martial and mkhitaryan as wingers with zlatan up top.


9.) 11 Jul 2016 20:33:41
If its true that jose identified 4 positions .
And if it is true that matuidi is the other option if we can't get pogba i think you could argue we are looking for a cm box to box player and that's the role pogba is going to play.


10.) 11 Jul 2016 20:31:12
Ed that's how I see it as well. With 3 athletic players in the centre eg pogba schneiderlin Herrera then there is very little need for a specialist dm. Obviously a matuidi/ Kante would be a better inclusion than Herrera, but as long as they are all lung busting athletes then theoretically they can cover each other better whilst still supplying a threat further forward. Also with martial and mkhitarian as the wider players of a front 3 the need for a specialist am should also be eradicated.

{Ed004's Note - I also think Ibrahimovic will drop into the number 10 position during games to pick up the ball etc}


11.) 11 Jul 2016 22:18:15
@ed004, I would say that's massively upgraded mate.

{Ed004's Note - Itd be by far best left sided attack in the league}


 

 

10 Jul 2016 13:43:39
Which of the European players in the first team squad would qualify for a automatic permit, if the EEA rule on free movement of labour no longer applied? That could well be the situation in 2018 or 2019.

Based on the proportion of times they have played an international in the last 2 years, (and excluding non-European players because they needed a work permit anyway), it is an even split. De Gea, Martial, Blind, Fellaini, Schweinsteiger and Ibrohimovic would qualify, but Depay, Mata, Januzaj, Herrera, Schneiderlin and Fosu Mensah would not.

I do suspect though, that many in the above list would not be in the squad come September 2018. Who do you think will to be here then? My guess is 3 - De Gea, Martial and Fosu Mensah.

Red Setter

1.) 10 Jul 2016 15:25:21
Pretty sure it's nowhere near as simple as that, Ed001 has told us that leaving the EU will not have a massive effect.

From a political point of view there is a good chance the government will agree to a certain amount of free movement anyway in the deal we do with the EU.


2.) 10 Jul 2016 15:26:35
Setter from the ones you listed as not being eligible for automatic permit I think depay is the only one not able to gain citizenship through period of residence as long as they all stay until end of 18/ 19.

Anyway, as one of the eds eluded to, visas for footballers will be completely irrelevant.


3.) 10 Jul 2016 15:46:50
The right to remain through residence requires 5 years, which means they needed to be a resident in August 2013. If they instead applied for and gained British citizenship in the meanwhile, that would be a different matter. There is always the possibility of succeeding via the appeal process, but I was considering solely automatic qualification.

After the upheavals of the last few weeks, I would be very chary at predicting a political outcome. If the UK remains in the EEA (of which the EU is part) free movement to at least a great extent will remain, like Norway and Switzerland enjoy today, but there is no guarantee of that.

I was expecting that someone would comment that several of the players who would automatically qualify were those, like Mata and Blind, who many posters wanted to be sold during this window.


 

 

09 Jul 2016 15:05:10
I think that we should loudly applaud the revamp and beefing up of our overseas scouting network. How much better it would have been to have signed Martial for the £8 million Monaco paid, rather than the £59 million at an exchange rate of 1.4 euros to the pound. (of course if most of our sponsorship money is fixed in dollars or euros, devaluation of the pound is of benefit or neutral.

However, I'd like to raise an issue that has not been addressed for many years - the contracts given to the under 21s and under 18s, and the terms on which younger payers have been sold to other clubs. It is my opinion (and others may disagree), but the club has not given proper attention to ensuring that their better younger players remain contracted to the club.

It is of little value to recruit the brightest and best talent, and then allow them to move on for development compensation alone. My comments are prompted not so much by Pogba, but by Fletcher. On a related matter, look at those who have made the grade after being sold for a pittance. Danny Drinkwater, for one. Utd has a lot to learn from Spanish clubs, such as RM, with buy-back clauses.

Finally, apologies to the guys who told me to chill out when I was bemoaning the lack of signings a couple of weeks ago. More chilling may be needed in regard to speculative expensive signings. I'll believe the rumours when the players actually sign.

Red Setter

1.) 09 Jul 2016 15:29:43
Martial won the ballon d'or already?


2.) 09 Jul 2016 15:56:51
Martial doesn't have to win ballon d'or, only be nominated. also 25 goals for Manchester, and 25 matches for the national team (atleast 45 min) is worth 10m euros each.


 

 

 

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30 Jun 2016 16:37:05
Absolutely delighted to see that Ibrahamovitch has finally confirmed he will sign; presumably on or after 1st July. I remain concerned that it appears to take Mr Woodward so long to clinch new signings. Patience is not one of my virtues.

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11 Sep 2015 22:28:03
Maybe I am attributing ill motives to RM, but it seemed to me that their tactic was to maximise the chance that they could sign de Gea for free in 2016. They have failed. I congratulate the powers that be in Utd for standing firm.
So, what abut Monaco? I have yet to see any report that the total fee for Martial is not extortionate. They will need a replacement. Why not make sure that the price that they pay is also excessive? When they identify the replacement, put in a higher bid , but graciously allow them to better it (or not). Make good use of Utd's financial muscle.
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02 Sep 2015 09:02:42
Many thanks to Ed002 for her overall assessment of transfer activity this summer. Is there any chance, please, of commenting more about the striker situation, which worries me almost as much ss CB? Was Martial really the only/first choice and what about the departures of Van Persie, Hernandez, Facoa, Henriquez (not forgetting loan of Januzai) before only a single replacement striker was signed?
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{Ed002's Note - You have to keep in mind that you are talking about fringe players and players who did not play a lot of games. MU still has options going forward.

But others were looked at (and they decided to go elsewhere or no effort was made): Aleksandar Mitrović (went to Newcastle), Santos' Gabriel Barbosa (was never going to happen), Cavani (not at that price given his age and his wages), Benzema (never pushed by MU), Ings (went to Liverpool but would probably not been viable), Mandzukic (whilst his agent said there was interest I very much doubt it), Muller (was never a viable option), Bakkali (interest dropped), Kenedy (tried very hard but was never going to move anywhere but London).}


 

 

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De Vrij would be a preferable signing to Vermaelen. The latter is too old. He will soon be past his prime. (PS - anyone remember Ian Ure who I think is the last centre back signed from Arsenal?)
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Hi AMZ
Tribal football.com alleges that Mangala prefers Utd over City, Muller was to rejoin Van Gaal (with a hint about Sweinsteiger too) and Vidalwould like to join Utd too. But I'm too old to build up any hopes about any of them. I remember that players like Hazard said similar things and went elsewhere.
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02 May 2021 20:12:12
Lobby your MP. The Sports minister has some influence - more than any of us individuals.

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21 Jul 2017 14:15:12
Bolger,
last summer's transfer dealings were indeed much better than the two previous summers, but Ibrahimovitch owes more to JM than EW. We will probably never know the full cost of Pogba's move, but the lure of returning "home" was an incentive, o in reality it's the two others for which EW deserves praise.
regards other posts, Utd has a surfeit of great or promising goalkeepers, so perhaps one at least should be employed as a bargaining chip.
Yes, some good poaching of the unsung backroom guys has been made, but there's a long way to go.
Wasn't Lukaku 2nd choice?
The need for strengthening the squad was known since February, and emphasised in April. So there has been plenty of time to bring in players, aided by the attraction of qualification to the Champions League.
The transfer glass is not even half full this summer.

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21 Jul 2017 13:01:59
Hi Mort
get better negotiators. I assume that Chelsea will succeed in recruiting Morata for a fee that RM rejected from Utd. City has been successful at bringing in more new faces than us.
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18 Jul 2016 13:25:32
It is yet to be seen how effective Drinkwater is without Kante beside him. But anyway, he was a player deemed surplus to requirements and sold for a pittance. I repeat my earlier post that Utd needs to learn the lessons from Spanish clubs like RM and Barcelona about how to negotiate suitable terms for squad members moving on and keep under contract its promising youngsters.

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18 Jul 2016 13:18:00
Lee,
A Virgin sponsor to boot!

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