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21 Sep 2026 21:20:20
If a company provides it's managers with the wrong tools, software, materials and personnel to do a job then it is entirely unreasonable for them to be angry when the final product is not fit for purpose.
Imagine a mechanic being given a 1 inch spanner for a 25mm bolt. Sure it will work to certain extent but eventually it will fail catastrophically. Replacing the spanner with another 1 inch spanner will end up in the same way. If the bits don't match, one or the other or even both will eventually fail.
Sadly it's a fact that many companies work on the theory that as long as sales outweigh returns or customer complaints then all is good in the world.
We are those customers. Not enough people with influence can or will complain enough to make them worry. For every 10, 000 that do not buy tickets or merch another 10,000 will. That is one problem with brand loyalty.
If the manager requests and is provided the correct tools and still provides a poor product then it's fine to let him go.
Until INEOS give their managers meaningful input on players and go and get them then we are on a hiding to nothing. Nearly every manager since SAF has highlited the issue and yet here we still are. I have never understood this trend for the clubs dictating which players are bought.
I am not advocating that Carrick is the man, but until we fix the rot above we will just be going round again and it has to stop!
I personally have dropped my United membership, have not bought shirt in years but do United care? NOT ONE JOT!
We can rant all we like but until the poisonous hierarchy are gone we are royally screwed. But why would they? They're making money regardless of the product. That's business.
1.) 21 Sep 2026 22:41:58
⁰this is bs. Ten Hag and Van Gaal were given the say and they spunked 650m quid up the wall.
2.) 22 Sep 2026 03:28:19
Not a matter of wrong tools it's a matter of cheap tools, you either buy at the Market or buy Snap on tools. (Top quality for those that don't know) Then of course you have different level Mechanics some are fitters who just can only replace parts, which most are in 2026 and then some are true mechanics that can actually fix a part and make it work.
Sadly with have cheap tools and a 2026 fitter
There lies the problem . If you take it further it's the people who bought the cheap tools and the 2026 fitter they employed.
3.) 22 Sep 2026 10:06:32
I said nearly but thank you for your constructive criticism. Eloquent as always.
4.) 22 Sep 2026 07:02:41
I said nearly, I also said if a manager is given the tools then he deserves to go. But thanks for your insightful input so eloquently stated.
JSU - fair call. I was assuming capable mechanics. Some would indeed make a mess of it even with the right tools and perhaps Carrick sits in that bracket. However I feel he has potential given the right cattle.
5.) 22 Sep 2026 08:43:19
Completely disagree.
If I move to a new company, I would be expected to learn their systems, use the tools at my disposal and adapt to a new way of working.
Do you think people are regularly walking into their CEOs office demanding new software because they can't do their job? No, its a deflection due to incompetence. The scenario is completely incomparable to being a coach at a football club.
6.) 22 Sep 2026 13:52:26
United should be too big to keep relying on potential
Nearly every player we buy nowadays is about potential, so you can't have a potential manager trying to teach more potential, it just won't work, or if it does could take years and years United not in that position and football in general don't allow it.
Sesko. potential Yoro Potential, Heaven potential, Santos potential,
Evens Potential coach, Woodgate potential coach, Carrick Potential manager this is a lot of cross your fingers stuff, I honestly don't see 1 of that list of potential even making it big time IMO. Anyway.
7.) 22 Sep 2026 21:48:57
I disagree Kurtis. If I am brought in to improve the product and it is clear that the tools and process in place are not fit for purpose then I would definitely be bringing that to the management. Otherwise the product fails again and I get the sack. A yes man would just sit in the corner and comply to keep the peace leaving the management believing that their processes are fine.
It is not a deflection it is professionalism and confidence in your ability to fix the issues.
It was a perfectly reasonable anaolgy.
30 Aug 2026 22:00:02
Go on then I will poke the bear as I like a good heated debat.
Maguire handball.
1. Is the letter of the law fair? He clearly got an advantage and had he scored it would likely be scrubbed.
2. Should the letter of the law be changed to include a subsequent own goal?
1.) 30 Aug 2026 23:07:06
Laws are an absolute joke. It's a handball all day and I'd be raging if that happened against us. Just clear it up and make things simple. Too many caveats are making things difficult for refs and fans.
2.) 30 Aug 2026 23:07:08
Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to be on the right side of a b******* call for once.
But let's be honest, at best they found some odd loophole that shouldn't be within the rules, and common sense would ignore.
Yes, it was accidental, and therefore not a yellow card, but the ball fell just right for him to have a shot which ended up in the back of the net.
A couple of the Ipswich players also stopped, assuming the Ref would blow the whistle for handball. Which they shouldn't have done, as you play to the whistle, yet that also probably played into the goal.
3.) 30 Aug 2026 23:42:39
Didn't it happen to us in an FA Cup game against Middlesbrough a few years back, that we lost on penalties. In the build up there was a handball, but the goal stood.
4.) 31 Aug 2026 01:53:55
The rule is correct. Goal stands. Move on.
The rule came in because VAR was going back multiple plays and chalking off goals for accidental handball because an advantage had been gained. But the ref deemed it non-intentional and had played on, only for VAR to go back and say it led to a goal.
5.) 31 Aug 2026 05:15:16
If it was multiple plays, then yes, I agree. I am not disagreeing with the letter of the law, but that was clearly an advantage gained in the same phase.
Happy to take the goal, but that was a pretty poor outcome, in my very humble opinion.
6.) 31 Aug 2026 07:23:31
Thank goodness Harry doesn't know how to shoot on target.
7.) 31 Aug 2026 08:55:12
Although the letter of the law led to the correct decision, we would be livid if that stood against us. Seems ridiculous to me. But hey ho, the title charge is on.
8.) 31 Aug 2026 09:18:25
The rule/law is stupid.
But I would not be livid if it happened against us because the law is crystal clear.
I don't agree with it, but there is lots I don't agree with.
Again, a pretty good weekend across all the games for refs not being centre of attention.
We need to be better next week, as Everton will be all action and effort.
9.) 31 Aug 2026 09:25:42
Only three points off the top of the league.
10.) 31 Aug 2026 09:40:09
Or, as Fallguy would say, only 3 points off the bottom.
11.) 31 Aug 2026 10:00:47
As people say, the rules are the rules. The real problems come when rules aren't clear or are open to interpretation, as that leads to inconsistent application of those rules. As long as other similar incidents have the same outcome, and the same process is applied, then we are simply the first to benefit from the rewriting of the rule.
However, ultimately rules are in place to ensure not only structure, but a level of fairness. If the rules don't seem fair then maybe they need to be looked at and potentially adjusted.
While that decision yesterday was within the letter of the law, I'm not convinced it was a fair decision. The rule is in place to stop VAR going back several actions and ruling out goals for accidental handball. There were several opportunities to interject and stop a goal from a potential unfair advantage.
There is a world of difference between an accidental handball near the halfway line, where there are several passes before a goal is scored and an accidental handball that leads to an immediate shot, where there is no opportunity for the opposition to interject.
The fact that the only reason the goal stood is because the shot was off target and deflected in off the defender is not within the spirit of the rule. Surely the fact that the defender had to try and make a block so quickly after an unfair advantage had been gained contributed to the deflection and subsequent own goal.
So I fully understand why Ipswich fans feel aggrieved over the decision and why the ABU's are unhappy with it. If the boot was on the other foot I'd feel aggrieved about it.
It does feel more like we have benefitted from a unforeseen loophole rather than the new intended interpretation of the rule.
12.) 31 Aug 2026 10:16:17
That's not true, Shappy.
It's clear as day in the rules, and it directly calls it how refs need to act.
There is no difference between it happening on the edge of the box or on the halfway line.
The offence or not is the same wherever it is on the pitch; the consequence can be different or more severe, but that's irrelevant.
I don't think anybody should or can feel aggrieved when the law is written so clearly.
I think the law should change, like many others, but it's there and was followed correctly, so there can be no complaints.
We were not lucky; the laws were followed.
It happens in golf a lot, whereby the rules can help you out of a sticky situation.
The ref was 100% right.
VAR were 100% right.
No offence took place to give a free.
Very clear and very simple.
If the shoe was on the other foot, the rule is there to be read, so there should be no feeling aggrieved.
13.) 31 Aug 2026 14:41:06
The ref and VAR applied the rule correctly yesterday.
Big shout out to Old Slabhead, genius that he is. Realising that if he had just top binned it, the goal would have been chalked off, he decided to blast it wide of the goal by several meters, understanding that when it pinballed in off the hapless defender it couldn't be chalked off.
The vision of that man!!!
He is playing a different game to everyone else.
30 Aug 2026 06:58:35
I waxed lyrical a while back about a young lad from Australia called Nestory Irankunda.
Not long afterwards he signed for Bayern Munich but understandably got little to no playing time. He then went over to Watford where he performed well and also starred for Australia in their very short World Cup tournament.
As a result he has signed for Sporting CP and has been getting valuable minutes.
This kid is a diamond in the making. He is big, muscular and very quick.
If he gets any time in their games against us in the CL, he should not be taken for granted. He will leave them for dead.
07 Aug 2026 08:58:18
Fabricatio Romano claims "only a crazy proposal" could change Newcastle stance on Hall.
The flog must have been up all night thinking that one up!
1.) 07 Aug 2026 11:35:58
You have to admire him. Anybody making the money he is from doing what he does is no dope. There will always be a conveyor belt of gullible children who will tune in and hang on his every word. They simply want to believe, and he preys on that.
2.) 07 Aug 2026 12:28:09
Didn't he accidentally post a video he prerecorded about Ole getting sacked, even though Ole lasted another couple of months?
He doesn't really break many stories. You can pay for him to post about your player.
But, look, that's the football machine now. The drama surrounding your club is almost as important to how your team performs on the pitch.
People need that new signing dopamine, and if the club doesn't spend a shed load of money, the player isn't good enough. You see it on here this summer. The club are trying to conduct smart business, but because we lost out on a Forest player and a West Ham player, it's the end of the world.
3.) 07 Aug 2026 15:33:20
Then the club will have known unofficially weeks ago.
The options are clear:
- play Maz as left back backup.
- keep Dorgu as left back backup.
- buy one of Lewis-Shelley or Salinas.
27 Jun 2026 08:12:19
Looking for comment on those in the know. Of which I am not!
Do City know something about the outcome of their sins that the rest of the world does not or is Anderson on some ridiculous compensation package if they get pinged?
Why else would you sign for them knowing the cloud over their head?
Baffled of Oz!
1.) 27 Jun 2026 09:34:37
It's certainly a strange one. It also doesn't look good for us, seeing Ugarte get what looked like a serious injury. That could scupper our chances of selling him. I've got a bad feeling that all of our targets end up elsewhere, and we are left with Ederson only for the CM reinforcements.
2.) 27 Jun 2026 09:37:57
Possibly, but he's a young lad and sees City as the most successful team in the country, so any issue will likely be a 1 year issue (I can't see relegation being an issue).
It continues to be a disgrace how long this is taking, as was Chelsea's light punishment. The EPL has no balls whatsoever.
3.) 27 Jun 2026 10:04:38
I find City after Pep an interesting proposition. Like, what are they? What do they stand for?
Pep was a huge draw, but what is the draw now? For my generation, City were an underdog yo-yo team. Then came the money and the council stadium.
In my eyes, they'll always be that yo-yo club - Shaun Goater and Paul Dickov, but for anyone born 2000 on, it will be a different view.
I see them as Chelsea, a plastic club built on money, cheating and soft geopolitical power.
I think they'll become a top 6 club, with a title challenge here and there. As each day passes, their punishment for +115 looks unlikely to be too severe.
But I live in hope they get a 60 point deduction, suffer a tough EPL season and get relegated, have their titles removed, and come back up as the plastic club we know they are, so their fans can live with it.
4.) 27 Jun 2026 12:43:42
I don't see City being reduced much by Pep's departure, if at all. They have very good players and still have a mechanism for identifying talent, while clearly being able to afford to maintain that advantage by buying more.
It is quite astonishing and pathetic that there has been no verdict yet. My guess is that the case has not been substantially proved and there's going to be an embarrassing climbdown.
5.) 27 Jun 2026 14:43:04
I think you're wrong, nnoi. Pep moved on because he was exhausted mentally with the constant pressure of refreshing a side to win and had gone 2 years without a trophy after delivering the treble.
Remember where they were before Pep. They will fall further after he has gone. Add to that tighter restrictions on sponsorship that they cannot manipulate, along with punishments they are surely going to face, and they're a spent force.
Small stadium, plastic fans who won't stay loyal once the glory goes, and they're going to be back being a Liverpool or Chelsea, regressing and fighting to stand still.
6.) 27 Jun 2026 16:09:39
The chance to really punish them has surely passed!
It's taken so long and they've won a few trophies since then. It's a bit of a joke.
Whatever happens now is irrelevant to those years and honours!
They might suffer a few years of less successful football without Pep, and could possibly end up like Chelsea.
But financial punishment will mean nothing to them, and a transfer ban for however long won't affect them.
They have a group of clubs around the world to gather players until such a time as it would end!
United need to just concentrate on returning to not just the best in Manchester, but the league, Europe.
I don't care what City get. Won't affect us in any way.
I hope we return and reach the heights and whatever any other club does is irrelevant!
15 May 2026 00:53:18
Supposed to be the operative word. We are not the attraction we once were, or people believe we are.
In my mind, United are the biggest and best club in the world, but the reality is vastly different at this time.
People are not just looking at the club history, they are looking at the infrastructure behind it, and at this stage there is not a lot to show that they are making enough inroads to make it attractive to come to Old Trafford.
07 May 2026 09:14:24
C'mon, Grim. Keep it real.
We all know that context and Jsu do not mix well. ?
06 May 2026 06:21:34
I would argue that there are plenty of players that have just walked into the team in the last few years!
01 May 2026 22:31:03
One word ??.
23 Apr 2026 12:26:24
There we are then?
22 Sep 2026 21:48:57
I disagree Kurtis. If I am brought in to improve the product and it is clear that the tools and process in place are not fit for purpose then I would definitely be bringing that to the management. Otherwise the product fails again and I get the sack. A yes man would just sit in the corner and comply to keep the peace leaving the management believing that their processes are fine.
It is not a deflection it is professionalism and confidence in your ability to fix the issues.
It was a perfectly reasonable anaolgy.
22 Sep 2026 07:02:41
I said nearly, I also said if a manager is given the tools then he deserves to go. But thanks for your insightful input so eloquently stated.
JSU - fair call. I was assuming capable mechanics. Some would indeed make a mess of it even with the right tools and perhaps Carrick sits in that bracket. However I feel he has potential given the right cattle.
22 Sep 2026 10:06:32
I said nearly but thank you for your constructive criticism. Eloquent as always.
18 Sep 2026 08:42:23
It'll be a cracker when it comes!
17 Sep 2026 07:01:44
Roy Keane and Cantona.