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29 Jan 2019 22:38:42
Frustrating game in many ways, which could have been so different had Rashford scored as he should have done in the first 10 minutes. He did not have a great game and nor did Pereira who looked completely out of his depth against a very aggressive midfield. I really don't think he's good enough for United, or indeed the type of player who will do very well in the EPL.

In this new system Sanchez looks like he could contribute significantly. A forward line of Rashford, Martial and Sanchez seems like it ought to pay dividends.


1.) 30 Jan 2019 05:23:42
Agreed, the interplay of Lukaku near the penalty box is not fluid as between Rash, Martial and Lingard.

2.) 30 Jan 2019 09:31:55
I was sat in the East end at OT. We should have had another penalty.

3.) 30 Jan 2019 14:28:00
To be honest I think Pereira didn't have his best game ever, but Jones throw him a brick, and then he got completely confused in the one-one defending.

I believe Pereira could be better but in an attacking position and no asan "herreras" replacement.

This is the first Ole´s game we start losing and that does not goes as planned, but the squad show commitment and desire. If Rashford scores that 10m goal the game would have been completely different with space and time for counters but rubbish happens. Let's focus on the next games and let's hope we have a great february.

i think it is better for Ole and the team to have lost the winning streak now and no in a game against PSG or Chelsea.




26 Dec 2018 22:43:47
Very good to see United score 8 goals in 2 games even if it was against teams near the bottom against whom we've been having all sorts of trouble. The tempo and the pressing seem to be what's needed. Perhaps Sanchez and Lukaku will benefit from it when they come back into the reckoning. But suffice it to say we have now scored 37 goals this season. If we can double it in the second half it will be our best haul since SAF's last year. If we're going to come 6th then the United way is surely that it's more entertaining to do it with 75 goals for and 55 goals against than with 50 goals for and 30 goals against.

I must say I've been unimpressed by Dalot defensively. He doesn't look like he has the pace and his positioning appears very suspect. I know he's young and there's an adjustment time - Evra didn't settle immediately - but nevertheless he's going to have to improve dramatically to cement that right back position. The other new player who doesn't they seem to have what it takes is Fred. It's hard to believe we were persuaded to spend £52m for him - or perhaps not, given some of our purchases recently. We would have done better spending it on a top center half. Many United fans criticized Liverpool for spending so much on Van Dijk but he seems like a bargain at this juncture.


1.) 26 Dec 2018 23:26:42
Shawthing, speed can be deceptive. Dalot was clocked as being the fastest player on the pitch today. But if the timing of that speed is not right it can be wasted.
He is a raw talent no doubt. We don’t have great options right now.

2.) 26 Dec 2018 23:44:01
Give the young lad Dalot a break. A couple of weeks ago against Fulham he couldn't get enough praise. That he was the answer to our right wing back problem for the next 10 years. Then a weaker game today and you're not sure is he going to make it. Inconsistency is a given for a teenager. Support your own.

3.) 27 Dec 2018 07:15:15
In fairness, that was one of Huddersfield’s tactics, mbenza is very quick, and Anytine they could they tried releasing him. Dalot was on the back foot very quickly after an attack broke down. Great lesson for the Lad.

4.) 27 Dec 2018 07:29:16
Dalot is young, 19 years old and playing only his third game in the EPL. His last performance won him man of the match so I see no reason to be worried about him. He is young and he will be inconsistent, he will make mistakes that is all part of learning. He has the qualities to become a world class full back, we need to give him the time and the chances for him to fulfill that potential.

5.) 27 Dec 2018 10:20:15
Dalot is certainly my Pick over an aging TonyV and Young (who is doing ok too) .
He is our future at right back, so let him play I say.

6.) 27 Dec 2018 11:25:22
He looks more like a future winger to me. He doesn't seem interested in defending.

7.) 27 Dec 2018 15:25:05
We've been defending whole season and still conceding goals. I don't even care whether Dalot comes back to defend or not. It was just nice to see our right back in the opposition box getting a cross from our striker and almost scoring a goal.

8.) 27 Dec 2018 18:07:46
Centre back and we are sorted Imo. we have options everywhere else. I'm really excited by dalot him, Shaw and lindelof could be together for a while along time and build a good understanding.

9.) 27 Dec 2018 19:03:50
Also how he plays will depend a lot on who is managing him. He did well defensively in Mourinho's defensive set up.

Ole has said publicly he wants our full backs to push up high and overlap our wingers. So if that is what is being asked of Dalot then it's good to see him following the managers commands.



02 Dec 2018 17:46:30
Assuming the rumours are true, if you believe your £90m transfer is playing with inadequate effort and/ or a poor mentality, a dressing down in the changing room in front of team mates is perfectly reasonable. I bet every one of us who have played sports have at some time or other have heard it from a coach or a colleague. Grow up and knuckle down. Most of the kids who watch you would kill for a chance at 1/ 10th of the benefits your innate talent has brought you.

The fact is Pogba is a disappointment. While he covers a fair amount of ground within a team that consistently covers the least in the EPL, he rarely sprints, neither in offence or defence. This characteristic was visible when he first stepped on the field in a United jersey before he went to Juventus. He looks lackadaisical, and it's probably one of the reasons why Ferguson was not inclined to fight to keep him. The problem is that, while he has talent, he is way to into himself to be a true leader, and that's the key role we need him to fill. A player who leads by example.

We are 5 years into the post-Fergie era and we are worse than ever. We do have some good players to build a team around but it's hard to see anything positive coming from them in the current climate. Given the amount of money we've spent, the only conclusion we can draw is that we are infected by a virus. Whether the source is Pogba, Mourinho or the general club mentality itself is a matter of conjecture. My own sense is that Woodward, Mourinho and Pogba are all symptoms of a deeper problem.


1.) 02 Dec 2018 21:07:06
All 3 of them should go at the end of the season.

We should say thanks Jose but uts not worked ta-ra. Says Pogba but you want to go to Spain so here's the asking price. And Woodward should have the decency to say "it was my decision to appoint Jose so I'll step down. "

2.) 03 Dec 2018 06:49:20
Fergie did want to keep Pogba, it was out of his hands. and while you might think Pogba has been disappointing his season, so has Lukaku, Rashford, Martial (most of the time), Bailly, Fred, Matic. who hasn't been disappointing? People might point to Shaw, but he hasn't gotten back to the 2-way beast he was looking like before his injury either.

I think when that many players aren't performing you have to look at the manager. And it's not like Mourinho's faults have been hard to see. Bizarre team selections and subs, consistently embarrassing behaviour, publicly sledging players all the time and bemoaning a lack of signings.

He's got to go. He's not one of us and he never will be.



13 Jan 2018 13:49:56
Sanchez has a bit of the Tevez about him. Very emotional. He obviously has all the skills, and when he's motivated his intensity and purpose adds a dimension to his game that any team would covet. So what is it that motivates him.

Clearly it's the thought of winning honours, and conversely looking at he seems to be demotivated by his team's mediocrity. So my guess is that:

1) he would only come to United if he thought he would win the EPL and/ or the Champions League in the next couple of years, and

2) if he did come, and it looked like those objectives were not going to be fulfilled, then it would be a disastrous transfer because his negative emotionality would end up leeching into and upsetting the dressing room.

Like for most supporters winning is ultimately more important than style. Arsenal play with style but they don't win the important trophies any more, which doesn't please their supporters and is clearly a demotivation to top players.


1.) 13 Jan 2018 15:39:18
Agreed for sure!

Lucas Moura maybe?

On another note, I mentioned a defender Jorge Mere who was at Espanyol and now at Koln and NOW Barça are after him!

We should have got this guy! Well disappointed!

2.) 13 Jan 2018 16:06:08
Well Ronnie don't mean to be rude but you might have named atleast 200 players by now. It might be difficult for United hierarchy to properly understand which one you want.

3.) 13 Jan 2018 16:34:44
I deserved that! 😂.

4.) 13 Jan 2018 21:09:56
For Sanchez's supposed attitude you can see the same thing happening at Spurs in the next 18 months if they win nothing -Ali, Erikson etc have no real affinity to Spurs as many players don't to their clubs. Sanchez probably looks around and sees nothing there but the odd FA CUp. maybe views us the same . time will tell.



05 Apr 2017 14:41:52
Two woodworks and a good goal disallowed epitomise what has been a most frustrating season. It's giving me ulcers. Virtually every game we've played we have created enough good chances to win the game handily. It's not down to tactics, it's down to finishing. The team in general seems to be suffering from a collective psychological block and somehow or other that problem has to be overcome.

The weight of expectation for players like Shaw, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, and Mhki needs to be lifted so that they are loose enough to begin to play to their potential. At present I'm sure the burden is as unbearable for the players as it is the fans.


1.) 05 Apr 2017 14:57:00
If you hit the post you have missed the target, its not bad luck it's a miss.

2.) 05 Apr 2017 15:11:46
It started since we stopped Dabbing and doing crazy handshakes for winning throw ins and corners! We need to bring them back.

3.) 05 Apr 2017 15:39:39
We've had the third most shots in the league.

No team in Europe have hit the bar/ post more than us. In fact we've hit it 9 more times than any other team.

5 of the 7 goalkeepers to win man of the match in the EPL this season have done so against us.

No team in the EPL has had more shot saved than us.

No team in the EPL has had more shots blocked than us.

It's starting to feel like a voodoo or gypsy curse. Surely we can't continue to be this unlucky.

4.) 05 Apr 2017 15:53:05
It's not bad luck though shappy.

5.) 05 Apr 2017 16:08:40
Strange how top sports men don't have bad luck .
It's all excesses and a bit embarrassing.
"There other gk had a good game "

Ddg been our best player the last 4 year . Luck or poor finishing?

6.) 05 Apr 2017 16:23:36
If it's not luck then what is it?

As for DDG making many saves, he does it every week, that's what makes him world class. Many of the keepers who have won motm against us this season have done so with their best performance in several years. They aren't world class keepers, they just have a strangely world class performance against us. Robles last night had a very good game, yet was awful a couple of days before against Liverpool.

The running joke this season is who is the best keeper in the world? Whoever's​ playing against United this week.

If you were Jose what would you be doing differently to make these chances into goals?

7.) 05 Apr 2017 16:36:20
I'm not Jose that's why he gets paid the big bucks .
Martial Rasford Ibra miki pogba mata I could go on have shown they are good players, have shown they can put the ball in net .

Chelsea where awful last season, poor at the start of the season, conte worked it out tho, and Chelsea and conte haven't been lucky in the same way United haven't been unlucky .
Over a season it works itself out .

Gk are there to make saves, defenders are there to defend you can't complain when the other team play well it sounds pathetic .

8.) 05 Apr 2017 16:37:57
By the way never mind chances, United have been poor the last couple of month as a team.

9.) 05 Apr 2017 16:41:18
Should also say getting the best out of your players is a very if not the most important job of the manager.

10.) 05 Apr 2017 16:42:58
Well put Shappy.

11.) 05 Apr 2017 20:06:38
I'd stop whining and slagging off my players. Just saying.

12.) 06 Apr 2017 21:11:02
I was trying to be sarcastic shaps! Guess I should put that in brackets lol.

We have been unlucky in many ways but we should also be doing better regardless of 'bad luck'

13.) 08 Apr 2017 09:15:02
Chipping in on the lucky/ unlucky theme.

If you're good enough you make your own luck surely?

What the stats suggest, in my opinion, is that we keep possession and stay compact. But we don't take risks often or quickly enough. And that's reflected in how we play.

Some of that is legacy of the last few years, some is the players and some is the manager.

I'm not a Jose fan, but i do believe he has to be given the time to implement his style. Personally i think if the goals and performances aren't showing through next season then he isn't going to achieve it.




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22 May 2022 18:50:30
Besides the obvious weaknesses all across the defense and defensive midfield, there is one major concern as far as I'm concerned, and that's Bruno. Today's goal - his fault. This season his positives are more than offset by his tendency to lose the ball, make impatient passes, or give the ball away in dangerous positions. If some discipline is forced into his game maybe he could become an all round good player, but at this time one has to ask whether he's cut out for the EPL. Does his dip in form result from the rest of the team's inadequacies? Or have the other managers simply worked out how to nullify him? And if you nullify Bruno what's left?

In a way Bruno is the season in a nutshell. Sloppy, impatient, whining, and inadequate - even his penalty taking ability seems to have deserted him, and wasn't he supposed to be a great free kick taker? - and when your creative talisman along with your captain both keep giving away goals it has to be very demoralizing for the team. Fact is, despite everything, today is a game we could and should have won. Palace did very little. and we had some excellent chances.

So, despite all the areas where we need improvement, the new manager will have to work out how to both make Bruno more effective in attack, prevent him from over elaborating, and squash his tendency to lose the ball or give it away in dangerous situations. And when he does lose the ball to stop whining and get up quicker and win it back.


{Ed014's Note - please don’t slag off Bruno otherwise your hate for United will be palpable. ?‍♂️?

1.) 22 May 2022 19:16:33
Nice word palpable Ed14!

{Ed014's Note - very nice mate, just needs to be used when it’s relevant!

2.) 22 May 2022 20:03:39
Dear Ed014. I've been a United supporter for 60 years mate, so you're way off base with the palpable hate, as nice a word as it may be.

Bruno obviously has talent, albeit not enough to get him into a Liverpool, City, RM side, but this season it has only been evident in odd flashes. Nor is he a leader or much of a fighter. Plenty of players excel their freshman year and then get found out. I hope that's not the case and that EtH can fix that and prove my doubts unfounded.

By the way does anyone keep statistics on errors that lead to goals or near misses? Or times possession is lost?

{Ed014's Note - mate it wasn’t aimed at your good self but young Patrick who’d told me my hate for United was palpable because I didn’t rate Fernandes which clearly I must do if I don’t support United.

That or some other logic he was on about. ?‍♂️

3.) 23 May 2022 11:01:00
Seems to have touched a nerve Ed14. That much is palpable!

{Ed014's Note - haha, I think you’ll find it was the other way around Patrick hence your need to use the word in your little outpouring, but nice try. ?‍♂️?



14 May 2022 21:56:08
Double reasons to support City tomorrow. We need 6th place and the thought of Liverpool winning the quadruple is too much to bear.


1.) 15 May 2022 17:59:53
Good game. unfortunately takes it to the last week of the season for City who surely can't blow it at home to Gerard's AV? Or can they, they missed a PK today, let 2 goals slip away in the ECL semi, and their best defenders are out injured? We probably need Brighton to pick up a point because most of our squad couldn't give a toss about next season.

That's my statement of the obvious for today before all goes dark and dull next Sunday evening.

2.) 15 May 2022 18:04:39
I just don't have a good feeling about all of this???.

3.) 15 May 2022 20:35:47
Set up for another aguerooooooooo type moment isn’t it!



07 May 2022 20:55:25
One had the hope that they would build on last week's handy win, but alas, they were clearly far too exhausted after those exertions, training, and the 250 mile trip south to actually play a game of football against a well managed club set up to exploit our obvious weaknesses. Specifically old age, fullbacks who can't defend, and two midfielders who didn't defend, leaving McTominay and the aging Matic to watch on as Brighton ran rings around them.

A complete embarrassment. Absolutely pathetic. It's a good job we have a new manager coming in next season to perk up the expectations, otherwise I can see it being far harder for the team to sell its season tickets.

Meanwhile, around the world, a generation of kids is growing up and identifying with the new cream of the crop. They will not be becoming United supporters.




03 May 2022 17:17:59
For next season at least I can see EtH retaining at least enough players to fill out a team and to be given a chance to prove themselves: de Gea, 2 fullbacks?, Maguire, Varane, Lindelof, Fred, McTominay, Sancho, Elanga, Bruno, Rashford supplemented by maybe 5 acquisitions and a few of the younger players.

Will Ronaldo stay? The one thing you can say about him is that he possesses the type of character United need more of. Players who do their talking on the pitch not on social media. Klopp and Guardiola don't just have effective styles, players picked to suit, and the respect of their squads, they also have quality players with Ronaldoesque attitudes waiting in the wings ready to jump at any opportunity to take the place of a slacker who falls afoul of the manager. No one is guaranteed a starting spot without earning it. If you want to get into their teams you simply have no choice but to give 100% 100% of the time. If you want to play for and with the best, you have to strive to be the best at all times.

If EtH can instill the right attitude and a coherent style, coupled with the right additions, I believe we could well have enough to think in terms of top 4 next year. Players who have had poor seasons, like Bruno and Rashford, could suddenly be revived.


1.) 03 May 2022 18:06:24
Without any signings and a proper coach putting in place a proper working environment for the players we should be 10 to 15 points better off minimum.

2.) 03 May 2022 21:25:04
We will have a seismic summer no matter who comes in. Cleary there is anything between 8-10 players who won't be here anymore and an emerging question mark over Ronaldo seemingly. Ronaldo could be quite key for me though in terms of attitude of players we need and may be able to attract. Sure he's on £500k+ a week but he remains undoubtedly one of the greatest players ever to have played the game. There is Cantona-esque impact on the younger players and their development also which can only be positive for the future.

Nothing develops players though like playing regularly and with the squad turnover we have plus likely limitation to 4 or 5 players incoming only given the quality we will need, there will be huge chances for the likes of Garner, Mejbri and co.

I'd be very happy to see Williams recalled to properly challenge for LB - surely he has a chance there.

Be interesting to see where the majority of our budget is spent. I can't see it going on a Rice or Bellingham at £100m+ when a striker or possibly two is an absolute must.

Interesting times ahead!

3.) 04 May 2022 08:36:11
Keeping Ronaldo is a backward step, how are you expected to rebuild with a 37 year old who needs players to service him to the detriment of the team.

4.) 05 May 2022 11:33:53
The rebuild is over 3-4 windows, if the striker we want isn't available it makes sense to keep Ronaldo until next summer.



28 Apr 2022 23:28:45
The commentary here in the US noted that Bruno was on the wrong side of the ball on 3 occasions in the space of about 3 minutes.

United defenders often found standing around in the penalty area while opposition players on the edge of it remained completely unmarked.

Extremely lucky to get a point today.

My prediction after the Norwich game that we would not win again this season still looks very possible.





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11 May 2022 15:05:54
How much is Chelsea fetching? £2.5bn (going to charitable causes? ) + £1.75bn in other commitments? They have a smaller ground that's landlocked but they do have ECL revenues and a far more valuable squad, and no public debt to carry. With its bigger ground United has more potential in the long run even if gate revenue as a % is a much smaller share of total revenue than it used to be. But given the squad rebuild, the £500m debt, and a scheduled £200m OT improvements, I can't see United being worth any more than Chelsea as of today. This generally squares with a market capitalization of $2.2bn. The risk the Glazers have is that EtH cannot turn the ship around, in which case the club could become less valuable.




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07 May 2022 22:12:55
Oakbark. Over the first 5-6 years of their ownership, the Glazers financed their LBO acquisition of MUFC by using its cash flows to meet interest obligations depriving the club of the capital required to rebuild the squad at the time it was required. The Glazers were also responsible for hiring Woodward to run the club. So while the evolution of the revenue deals negotiated by the EPL, along with increased sponsorship revenues, eventually put United back in the position to spend on transfers again, the club was unable to do so effectively because it was run by amateurs.

There's simply no question that the Glazers have been bad for Man Utd and bad for football, which is why the league is trying to ensure that the new owners of Chelsea do not do the same thing. And to suggest that the Glazers were somehow motivated by something other than money is naive. They have done very well leveraging United's good name and resources to make a great return for themselves. Their investment in the Bucs is now 10X more valuable than the purchase price. The fact that they've made some better management decisions in the US is scarcely relevant to Man Utd fans. Why do you think they'e behind a European Super League? They want to guarantee the income flow of a franchise type system that the EPL and the current European set up does not give them.

The Glazers took a top European club with a great facility, the biggest crowds, worldwide name recognition and destroyed it. Admittedly another owner might have fared no better in the post SAF era, but we don't have a another owner, so as far as I'm concerned they deserve all the opprobrium they receive.




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12 Apr 2022 22:46:07
There would be no point in taking on Ten Hag and having RR as a consultant if the club is not going to support them 100%. The board and the egomaniacal Woodward have painted us into a corner. The owners must surely know that the value of their investment is at risk. Success is a prerequisite of sustained value and another arrogance induced failure could potentially sink the ship entirely. The budget for new players may be a little more than we expect simply because the downside risk is greater than the additional debt.




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15 Jan 2022 00:00:51
There's an argument to make that United's problems start with having a goalkeeper who does not act as an auxiliary sweeper. He may be a great shot stopper but his reluctance to come off his line makes the pressing game harder to effect and puts more pressure on the defenders in front of him. The closest Villa came to scoring on Monday was when de Gea backpedaled after Lindelof made a weakish pass back. Moist modern goalkeepers would have been further advanced and far more decisive. The ball would have been cleared. De Gea is flat-footed in this respect, rather like Rashford was at the other end when he failed to make any move to pounce up the rebound.




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22 Nov 2021 13:51:50
Ole was an interim manager who was rushed into the full time position on the back of a few positive results (probably because they looked around and there were no top managers out there who wanted to work for the incompetent anti-football soul sucking incubi who run the club) . Interim should mean interim. The appointment of an interim manager as a full time manager prior to the end of the season would basically be an admission that they don't have a plan and don't know what they're doing. Of course, just waiting for waiting's sake doesn't mean that they do know what they're doing but it does mean they might have learnt something from past mistakes. which is a step in the right direction.





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24 May 2022 21:46:37
Of course it could also be that the manager doesn't have a clue!




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22 May 2022 23:10:58
Outmatched physically a few times but had some decent moments in attack. One good long shot from the edge of the penalty area but it swerved straight to the goalie and another good run into the area but he couldn't get his shot off in time after taking a touch - needed to be a first time shot. Got himself a card after being bullied a bit by Zaha. Not unpromising.




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22 May 2022 20:03:39
Dear Ed014. I've been a United supporter for 60 years mate, so you're way off base with the palpable hate, as nice a word as it may be.

Bruno obviously has talent, albeit not enough to get him into a Liverpool, City, RM side, but this season it has only been evident in odd flashes. Nor is he a leader or much of a fighter. Plenty of players excel their freshman year and then get found out. I hope that's not the case and that EtH can fix that and prove my doubts unfounded.

By the way does anyone keep statistics on errors that lead to goals or near misses? Or times possession is lost?


{Ed014's Note - mate it wasn’t aimed at your good self but young Patrick who’d told me my hate for United was palpable because I didn’t rate Fernandes which clearly I must do if I don’t support United.

That or some other logic he was on about. ?‍♂️



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22 May 2022 13:58:03
Without ECL football, a history of amateurism in the board room, and a manager who has yet to establish himself in English football, our attractiveness is limited. The priority in this window is to acquire good players who have the right mental characteristics to establish a base from which a consistently completive team can grow. There are no doubt plenty of excellent candidates out there whose qualities have yet to be shown in their best light. We have to hope the EtH and the club can winkle them out. The priority, I would imagine, will be defense and defensive mid (often the less spectacular positions), and the hope that players like Rashford, Sancho, Elanga, Bruno and even Fred will show themselves to be worthy of the shirt next year.




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16 May 2022 15:22:31
Ports. Woodward was a failure despite the initial surge in value thanks to great brand marketing. Stock price is down. Other clubs are more valuable. Club is a shambles from top to bottom. Jose nailed it when he said coming second was his greatest achievement given what was going on behind the scenes.

There is no coincidence that all these folks are jumping ship. Woodward's departure and this season's awful performances do not flatter them. The structure of the club requires major changes and they know it's coming and none of them can point to any positive achievements during their tenure. Whatever is coming next can surely not be any worse than it would have been had they stayed.