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22 Nov 2021 16:17:08
So you hired an interim manager, made him permanent. Sacked him, hired an interim manager, looking to replace him with an interim manager so you can replace him with a permanent manager but only if the interim manager doesn't do a good enough job to warrant the permanent one? That about cover it?
The situation you find yourselves in is nothing short of farcical. You tell the world through the brand etc that your the biggest in the world but can't convince anyone to up stick mid season? Surely it's meant to be the biggest job in the world and you should throw money at the individuals team to get them released. Writing a season off in November is daft, and do you automatically write next year because it's a transition?
And the supposed no 1 target is a man who lost a European final, took the team he had as far as he could l. Sound familiar? Oh and finished third in a two horse race. Even ole finished second! I just don't get the clamour for him, didn't he come second last season with a PSG side full or world beaters?
The whole clubs structure is woeful and until you fix that you will just be in the top four trophy or next year is our year mould that you all mocked for so long because you didn't realise how good you had it.
From an outsiders perspective, your squad is actually quite good and no where near as bad as its being painted. It should be challenging but whilst the structure remains you will find yourselves in a repetitive cycle.
It's hard to dictate tone in written form and I don't intend to mock it's purely to discuss what a shocking state you appear to be in. I speak from a place where all I knew was united dominance so I don't know united pre Ferguson so the drop to me is drastic.
1.) 22 Nov 2021 16:29:09
We’ve sacked our manager and are looking to appoint a good replacement, that might not be until the end of the season because they have a job so for now we have an interim. As simple as that really.
I’d be excited to see what a proper manager could do with our squad and our youngsters.
2.) 22 Nov 2021 16:30:33
WY,
Rumours are we want the PSG manager, should we bully them with money and make sure they let him leave? We aren’t talking about a league 1 club.
3.) 22 Nov 2021 16:39:28
You’re a real expert WY given you watched 30 years of under achieving at Liverpool. Nice of you to come and share your wisdom but we’re all pretty clear about the state of our club.
4.) 22 Nov 2021 17:03:15
From the OP i get the impression that he is insinuating that we are not a well run club.
Well ill be damned, knock me over with a feather, i don't think that point has ever been raised on this forum before lol.
5.) 22 Nov 2021 17:50:44
Wyred.
Yes it's a mess but you have only won 1 epl trophy same as Leicester and Blackburn. Yes United are a bit of a mess for sure but your saviour klopp has only won 2 trophies so don't get too excited.
6.) 22 Nov 2021 18:08:48
Liverpool fans coming on here looking for a rise. Must be concerned that we're heading in the right direction now that Oles gone.
Could the sleeping giant be waking?
Will the board make a good decision?
All these questions and more will be answered before the scousers next win the league.
{Ed014's Note - at least none of you have taken the bait ?
7.) 22 Nov 2021 18:15:29
One PL title in 30 years and he comes on here telling us what's wrong with our club. Funny.
8.) 22 Nov 2021 18:17:25
Lads what’s the point in biting to that one. He took Spurs to a European final- that’s enough in my book ?.
9.) 22 Nov 2021 19:16:52
Good few caught there WyRed. AJH just a reminder it took United 42 years between titles seen as you like talking about past.
10.) 22 Nov 2021 19:28:28
Ed014 only a couple of nibbles there ?
But my point was that you are meant to be one of the biggest clubs in the world and therefore shouldn't be planning to wait. That should be a last resort if Poch says he wants to see out his work. However you should throw everything at it as there is no time like the present. Get the man in at whatever cost, as if he is the ideal replacement then what's an extra couple of million to ensure the longevity of success. You spent 75m on one player who barely gets a game!
What I will say is this, I don't think the giant is awaking any time soon until you fix the problems at top level. You had a few recent false dawns, Ronaldo, PSG result. Rio saying united are back and Oles at the wheel.
Once you fix the problems or amateurs as ed says then I may agree that you'll be on an upward trajectory but all I will say is I come from a place where I have experienced a team trying to get back to the good old days and it takes longer then you expect. So when the good times return, and they will eventually just make sure you enjoy them as it'll never be dominance like under SAF again.
11.) 22 Nov 2021 19:42:05
Wyred, this sqiad is fmgood enough with a manager than knows what he's doing.
12.) 22 Nov 2021 20:44:47
I think the scrutiny the whole media, pindits, the fact the op/ Liverpool supporter talks about it on our page putting in the effort and going into a bit of detail (it says nothing we don't already know apart from new signings need to settle which takes time, still more scrutiny) and then plenty of opinions on the Liverpool page. Add to the fact that there seems to be extra scrutiny on any replays regarding united players on the tv more than any other club in the premier league, more debate than any other club by far between pundits etc. Still shows we are right up there still in share of voice with Barcelona and Real Madrid for importance in club football. The club just needs restructuring internally which will happen at some point. Everybody else, enjoy it whilst you still can because we will be back, we demand it of the club.
13.) 22 Nov 2021 20:53:08
Atcom, maths isn’t your strongest point is it. It was 26 years, which is still less than 30 but we’ll done, you’ve 1 title in the last 30 years' way to go.
14.) 22 Nov 2021 21:42:12
We are cr*p and in a very bad place. Still finishing above Liverpool in the league by 5 points? Again, enjoy it whilst you can, from the tone of your post your presuming Liverpool will win the premiership and CL this season? We will see.
15.) 22 Nov 2021 22:22:45
How do you get that from my post. I barely mention Liverpool. But on that topic I don't expect us to win anything but I expect we will compete and everything else is a plus.
Tbh I'm at a place in my life where football is a bonus. I love watching it and want to see Liverpool do well but I also take an interest in other football stories and united being a big one at the minute.
When I was younger it would effect my mood on weekends and I thought it was the be all and end all. But I have no control over the result so why should I let it impact my mood and the impact on home life?
So will I enjoy it whilst I watch a team that's nothing short of a joy to watch? Absolutely as I know full well it can change quickly and I'm back watching football similar to life under Hodgson. But that's the life of a football fan you take the rough with the smooth and when you get those highs you make sure you enjoy them.
Genuinely I feel for you as fans, it's horrid when it doesn't go your way, but the main point of my post was to say that you shouldn't be aiming to go for an interim manager. It's a defeatist attitude in my opinion and opens more problems then solutions.
16.) 23 Nov 2021 00:22:05
Ken, he's won 4 not 2.
17.) 23 Nov 2021 08:33:45
2 real ones if you win a charity sold you'll be claiming that next.
This exchanging exhibition invite tournaments don't count as major trophies imo.
You enter 4 a year generally and you have won 2 of those in his six / 7 years. Competed right at the top table don't get me wrong Liverpool are a force right now but not a winning one consistently over his tenure.
18.) 24 Nov 2021 11:43:39
AJH I got it wrong it was actually 41 years between titles for United 1911 to 1942. Seen as you like talking about the past.
{Ed007's Note - Keep smashing that maths mate ?
19.) 24 Nov 2021 12:11:28
More or less, it's a bit of a shambles and there is no point trying to argue that it's not.
Obviously it makes more sense to have an interim manager rather than hire the wrong guy now in a kneejerk reaction.
The club's poor planning means they had no plan for this scenario. They didn't think it possible that Ole could fail and might need to be relieved of his duties mid-season.
The exit interview while heart warming shows a club that is too focused on how we are perceived. They didn't want to look bad throwing a club legend out on his ear, so they did a respectful exit video so his exit could be commiserated. We could all gather round and mourn the sad loss of one of our own rather than ask harsh stark questions about how and why he failed.
The narrative needs to be "poor Ole, we still love you" rather than which idiot allowed this to happen. The club were happy for the finger to be pointed at the previous managers, hang all the blame around their shoulders and bump them off down the road. But they couldn't do that with a club legend. So we get the exit interview, as a nice send off/ distraction so we don't grab the pitchforks and torches and demand to know whose fault it is.
Is Pochettino the right manager? Who knows, he certainly isn't a bad choice. I think he gets a little unfair stick for not winning things when until halfway through last season he had only managed perpetual losers Espanol, Southampton and Spurs. Who might have 2 trophies between them in the last 50 years.
He joined PSG last year when they were 3rd or 4th halfway through the season after they had a terrible start under Tuchel. Effectively he had half a season to turn things around with one armed tied behind his back. This season is a better reflection of what he is capable of, 12 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss in 14 Ligue 1 games scoring 32 goals on there way to an 11 point lead before the halfway point of the season.
While 2 wins and 2 draws in a tough UCL group that includes Man City, RB Leipzig and Club Brugge means that have all but qualified for the knockout stages with 2 games to go in arguably one of the toughest groups.
30 Sep 2021 07:14:32
Watched the last 15 minutes of your game last night and that was enough to tell me that, whilst Ronaldo is a freak of nature and you all obviously love him to bits. I feel he is going to be the reason Ole keeps his job as he will have a moment of brilliance to paper over ole’s shortfalls. I’m afraid you boys are caught in a catch 22.
1.) 30 Sep 2021 08:26:26
Could well be the case.
2.) 30 Sep 2021 09:09:43
He'll do his back in at this rate.
3.) 30 Sep 2021 09:13:07
Catch 22's everywhere WYred, throw in the Pogba situation which is from a club/ marketing perspective sign him to a new rediculous deal but from a team/ balance perspective we should let him go.
The players are decent but each formation has a catch to it that is not plugged by anyone.
24 Jan 2021 21:48:31
So you won, annoying but it happens.
Think the game was one of the best between the sides for a long time.
We made a couple of errors you capitalised on and won it with a good free kick. Think Ali could of maybe done a bit better but that doesn't matter now.
No idea how the season will play out from here but if you can keep the confidence you'll be in the mix. You are a team that imo is hugely reliant on getting on a run of form and riding the wave which you are definitely doing at the minute!
Enjoy the win and we will see how it looks going into the return game in the league.
1.) 24 Jan 2021 22:00:38
Fair points mate. There’s a good fell around the club right now and we keep picking up the wins. I know you have CB issues but Klopp doesn’t seem a happy bunny right now. Can’t blame him, you’ve lost your best player and having to play midfielders at CB was never going to end well.
I am surprised at your slump, you were head and shoulders above every other team last year and yet right now, games seem a struggle.
As for today, great game, could have gone either way.
2.) 24 Jan 2021 22:10:58
WYred, I think today showed how important Henderson is at covering your full backs. Our first two goals came from huge space in behind. Shows how disciplined he is when your team attacks.
3.) 24 Jan 2021 23:13:10
Pretty even game. You miss your central defenders. We took advantage. If you have them back for the league match you could win.
4.) 25 Jan 2021 09:08:36
Klopp is probably lamenting his luck but he can come across as an incredibly sore loser. but losing both starting cbs and a third who is made of crisps has definitely bought us down a peg or two. City struggled without laporte last year so its hardly surprising but its made it a very interesting season.
As for Henderson he is absolutely crucial to our side, I said it before on our page. People thought it was hard to replace Gerrard, just wait until we need to replace Henderson.
17 Jan 2021 20:08:34
So another stalemate.
I thought we did well first half but didn't get that elusive goal and didn't really have a clear opening.
Second half you had the better chances pogba in particular and you defended well by throwing yourself in front of everything.
A draw is probably fair but neither side particularly happy with it. On paper our defence could be got at but at no point was there sustained pressure.
Either way we move on and do it all again next week.
1.) 17 Jan 2021 20:11:40
Good post.
There was a reluctance to attack at times, but both defences prevailed.
2.) 17 Jan 2021 21:57:00
Wyred sorry for throwing ourselves in front of everything. We should have kept out of yer way😂.
3.) 17 Jan 2021 22:40:25
🤣🤣 my point leahy was they played well after all the questions they got before a ball was kicked, mainly baily being dropped for lindelof.
Either way neither side did enough to win it.
4.) 18 Jan 2021 05:18:35
Result favors City, who I think will go on to be champions now.
02 Nov 2020 08:32:53
I thought I’d throw my two pence in to your current state of affairs.
You have a decent squad but you have a few players holding it back to it’s full potential. Pogba is the ultimate luxury player, he strolls around without a care in the world and effectively makes you play with 10 apart from the few minutes a game where he tries to do something for his highlight reel. G Nev summed it up perfectly before the game when he said Ole is somewhat forced to play him. If he benches him and doesn’t get results everyone will be calling for him to play, your problem is half the reason your not getting results or consistency is because he’s holding you back! Should of sold him in the summer imo.
Maguire can not play in the system Ole wants but again he gets played because of his price tag. You have two full backs one that can’t attack and the other that is half decent at both attacking at defending.
But you have a frontline that is very good and someone behind them who can supply them but you seem to keep playing a system to try and fit both Fernandes and pogba. Personally I’d build a system that gets the best out of Fernandes before he gets sick of it and leaves.
As for Ole, it was his attitude more then anything that concerns me. At half time you clearly needed to change tactics and possibly personnel. But he just saunters down the touchline without a care in the world. Top managers eek out everything from that 15 minutes, ex looked like someone who was just going through the motions.
But your problem isn’t Ole, your problem is there is no strategy or plan from a footballing aspect by the club. If, more likely when, Ole gets booted a new guy will come in with players from Moyes, Mou, LVG and Ole. It takes time to then assemble a team that suits their vision, but if it doesn’t happen within 18 months to two years the cycle gets repeated.
Their needs to be a blueprint of how united want to play and then a coach bought in to make it happen and get the best out of them. Then if it doesn’t work you find someone who can fit that plan rather then tear the whole thing up and start again.
To get you back competing it will take a couple of years but if you keep falling into the same trap it will take much longer.
1.) 02 Nov 2020 09:13:42
Surely its down to the coach to come up with and implement the style of play.
Pardon my igonarance but its not tom werner, john henry, linda henry or michael edwards who come up with the style of play that liverpool play. Surely its klopp who wants to play out from the back, press high, play with attacking full backs and fast goalscoring wingers.
I honestly don't think the sheik from abu dhabi or bergiristein or soriano has come up with man citys style of play. Maybe just maybe its pep guardiola who wants to play out from the back with inverted full backs, progress the play through the third and create huge amounts of chances.
2.) 02 Nov 2020 09:38:55
It was klopp but when they got him in they let him have the time to do what he felt was required to improve the team.
If you are switching manager or coach every 18 months because they aren't getting the results then the style needs to run through the club or you will just be bouncing between styles with a mishmash of players and before you know it its been decades rather then years for a title drought.
If the club can find someone that can implement there own style and have the trust to pull it round then great. I just don't think a manager/ coach will get that time at the minute.
Ole had the new manager bounce before it went flat and then another run earlier this year, what's to say it won't happen again?
3.) 02 Nov 2020 10:00:22
He is rubbish has no plan 100 games in and still no identity.
He is an amature manager.
4.) 02 Nov 2020 10:10:48
It would suit all our close rivals to keep Ole as manager as long as possible. Brighton, West Brom, West Ham, Sheffield United, even Palace must want it.
5.) 02 Nov 2020 10:28:22
I don't want United to sack managers every couple of years but this has to be balanced by an understanding of what is being built and what is the plan. In my opinion, there isn't really any direction or plan moving forward.
If we'd had the same results but you could see a coherent style of play both in and out of possession, I'd likely not be looking to bring in a new manager. That for me is the biggest issue with what is being produced on the pitch at United just now. Counter attack was the only threat we had in Ole's first 10 games and it still is the only threat we really have. LVG and Jose could hardly go down as brilliant United managers but it did seem that the message from the training pitch made its way to the game, whether fans liked it or not and whether it was successful or not.
100 games Ole has now had in charge with around 2 years as manager. He doesn't know his best team, he doesn't know his best formation. When we are in possession, we don't have any noticeable style of play, everything looks to be off the cuff which was a massive criticism of Mourinho and when we are out of possession, do we press, do we drop back, do we all press or no-one? It's honestly not clear as we seem to do both but neither at the same time.
Has he been backed in the transfer market? Yes and no. He hasn't got everyone he seemed to want but ultimately he has been able to spend over £200m since summer 2019 which is one of the highest totals in Europe in that time. This squad is also better than the one LVG or Jose had.
Ole should be commended as he did bring back a bit of good feeling around the club, he did oversee the sales of players who most agreed were either not good enough or didn't fit. He's also phased out players who we haven't managed to sell but again who don't look to either fit or be good enough like Lingard, Jones, Rojo, Pereira etc.
If we take emotion out of it, I can't see too much evidence that shows Ole is turning the squad around or that there is an idea of how we want to play in the next game or in a couple of years time.
03 Sep 2023 10:50:34
I saw a random twitter iTK claim this before the story dropped. His record is sketchy at best and I wouldn't put it past the mail to use that account as a source. The only reason I think they may have used the source is because they used the same figure. 10 billion hasn't been mentioned before so seemed a weird coincidence.
04 Jul 2023 22:22:59
Shirts need to go back to two year cycles, they won’t as it’s too lucrative. But then people can decide if they want to buy it at the start of the cycle, or mid cycle to get it cheaper.
Personally I’d rotate the home and away shirts and if they wanted to have a third shirt yearly. But they are only worn a few occasions by teams so don’t need to be new yearly.
However, you don’t need to buy the shirts, I personally prefer a retro shirt now rather then trying to keep up with the new shirt. My moneys better elsewhere and if enough stop buying them the price would eventually drop.
06 May 2023 13:15:42
Shappy ? I think that’s the shortest post I have ever seen you write.
06 May 2023 08:22:26
I hope your team are not as complacent as you Shappy, it isn’t done until you win those three games. Until then there is a chance and we have to hope you slip up. Plus, you literally say the team is running on empty if that continues every game will be tough.
Personally I think WHU is tough
You should beat both wolves and Fulham, but wolves could be tricky.
Bournemouth have had some very good results at home.
Chelsea may have a new manager by then if they can get their long term replacement in, it’s pointless leaving lamps to bury the little reputation he has left. Plus they may be motivated to spoil your CL dreams.
All we can do is keep the pressure up and hope you falter, but if you don’t, the table doesn’t lie and you would deserve it.
And maybe I shouldn’t of used one of games to illustrate my point, but there are plenty of instances where things happen in football that defy odds. Great escapes, last minute CL charges, teams throwing away healthy leads in the race for a title or unlikely cup runs. It’s why we love the game as it keeps us all on our toes.
05 May 2023 13:11:37
Shappy, whilst you are the most likely to get top four football does strange things.
I wonder what the odds were in 99 or Istanbul? Leicester were 5000/ 1 and I know we were completely written off against barca.
Football is the sport we love because its so unpredictable and right now we have no expectations. We might win all four and miss out, we might lose all four.
But the fact its even a discussion has added a little fun to a rather bleak season.
07 Mar 2023 13:19:40
Red in peace,
I think the smart move is just to drop him for a game and see how he reacts.
He has talent, and he knows how to get under opponents skin. He just needs to channel it better. Right now, he comes across ss someone who hates when it isn't going his way. I don't think taking the captaincy off him does anyone any favours but dropping him sends a clear message the behaviour isn't accepted.
I said it on the liverpool page, but the worse thing he did on the weekend was dive out of certain contact with Ali. The whinging is one thing but doing that cost you a certain pen and at 3-1 the game is different especially with Madrid so recent in our minds.