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20 Feb 2024 21:40:23
M. U. F. C. officially announce the purchase of shares by SJR has been completed.
Yay! let the start of the rebirth begin.
1.) 20 Feb 2024 22:17:20
So he now owns 27.7% because the £200m investment was in return for shares and he will put in another £100m by the end of the year in return for another 1%, is that correct, and that makes him the largest single owner at United.
2.) 21 Feb 2024 09:10:41
He has a mixture of the A and B shares. The B shares are worth more than the A shares.
The B shares are what the Glazers own.
3.) 21 Feb 2024 13:29:31
That's right Mad Hatter, the B shares have increased voting rights.
I believe it's 10 votes per B share, while it's 1 for A. Up until now all the B shares were owned by the Glazer family.
4.) 21 Feb 2024 14:10:39
Great news.
5.) 21 Feb 2024 16:13:20
Surely he’ll start picking off the other glazer siblings shares or is it not that simple?
{Ed002's Note - It is not that simple.}
6.) 21 Feb 2024 16:29:38
Fair enough.
7.) 21 Feb 2024 19:25:57
Doable though ports. I'm sure that's the long term plan.
8.) 22 Feb 2024 10:45:08
If he wants to eventually own all of it he has to take the club off the public market which he has done to every company he has purchased before and find a solution like he did in his initial purchase which listening to him was quite complicated.
9.) 22 Feb 2024 13:25:13
Thought he came across really well in the interview. Probably said enough in ten seconds to give some hope and optimism that no-one else at the club has said in a decade.
10.) 22 Feb 2024 17:24:06
Agree Spenno ?.
11.) 24 Feb 2024 08:21:02
He came across very well.
He clearly does not indulge fluff and nonsense, which you expect from hugely successful people.
In an odd way it’s left me wanting to watch it again - aside from the topic he’s somewhat inspirational in the way he handles himself.
05 Sep 2023 00:43:38
Another one gone, Bailly signs for Besiktas on a permanent deal.
1.) 05 Sep 2023 09:11:42
Good news but would have preferred him coming on before Maguire and Evans on Sundday.
2.) 05 Sep 2023 11:43:54
Evans bashing season has started early I see. Bailly is awful. A defender who cannot actually defend or tackle.
I’m truly shocked Maguure stayed though on that topic. The guy must be super pig headed or just not very smart.
3.) 05 Sep 2023 11:34:36
Bailly is a mad man I would rather Maguire.
4.) 05 Sep 2023 11:50:25
Agreed would rather Maguire or Evans over Bailly. He really is that bad.
5.) 05 Sep 2023 13:04:14
Maguire stayed for the money. No one else was going to pay him anywhere near £10m a year. He knows his career is on the downswing, why would he get off the gravy train?
6.) 05 Sep 2023 13:32:49
Christ, People actually think it was a good move getting Jonny evans back. We got rid of him 8 or 9 years ago because he wasn’t good enough. Just got relegated, pushing the wrong end of his 30’s and we give him a contract. It’s absolutely pathetic. It just highlights the shambles this club has become. A complete circus. Maybe Liverpool will give carragher a contract too. It’s a complete joke, and it’s no coincidence we conceded two within ten mins of then two clowns at Cb.
7.) 05 Sep 2023 13:50:47
Stand. It’s not great. But getting rid of him at the time was a mistake.
We’ve spent fortunes on centre backs since, who are not as good as Evans at his peak.
Rojo, Bailly and Maguire certainly fall into that bracket. Lindelof is about on par.
No good saying he wasn’t good enough, when what we replace him with was worse.
Yet another example of bad recruitment over the past 10 years, and it’s surely ironic that the player deemed “not good enough” 9 years ago is the one who outlasted most if not all of the above. Surely that’s a massive face palm for our transfer committee, but they obviously don’t see it that way.
8.) 05 Sep 2023 17:08:55
I find myself regularly agreeing with Stand, we are in danger of becoming a laughing stock.
We know we have issues behind the scenes but signing Evans was bizarre even by our standards. This also links to the lack of players coming through the Academy, are we really saying we don't have a prospect better than Evans? Mind boggling.
9.) 05 Sep 2023 17:15:28
Wazza, i agree, I thought he was ok when he left. But that’s not the point. The fact he’s been given a one year deal at his age now, it’s utterly ridiculous. It’s like dads army at the back with him and slab head. Recruitment at United over the last 10 years must go down as the worst of any big club of all time. Case in point sancho, he’s not good enough and never was. We go give him 375k a bloody week, unreal. No wonder we can never offload the crap at our club, no one else will want to give him half of that.
10.) 05 Sep 2023 17:31:05
I agree with you stand. I’m not defending Evans, I’m saying he’s better than more than half of the centre backs we’ve bought since he left. That’s not his fault. It’s the blind vision of those in charge of transfers.
11.) 05 Sep 2023 18:06:04
Eric79, it’s not Evans bashing. I think everyone of us agree that he’s a good honest pro and likely a nice fella too. It’s not personal to him but it’s ridiculous that we’re in this position. As AJH touched on, we’ve let Tuanzebe and Mengi go recently, and now find ourselves with Jonny Evans at centre half. Meanwhile, over the road, City are adding Gvardiol to their treble winning squad. Liverpool have revamp their midfield in one window after having an off season. Arsenal have added Rice to an already strong midfield and Tottenham have lost their talisman, all time leading goal scorer and are producing good football with a new manager from the off!
How can United fans honestly be happy with our squad and the dross we’re producing away from home.
12.) 05 Sep 2023 18:15:34
Stockholm syndrome stand. Its absolutely bonkers isn’t it.
13.) 05 Sep 2023 18:51:10
It is madness that we ended a premier league game with them 2 at the back but it’s also madness that the reason was because our first choice 4 centre backs were all ill or injured at the same time. Most teams would be screwed if that happened, when it happened to Liverpool they played Nat Philips and Rhys Williams for a while and were shocking. So as much as it’s a joke they had to play, you’d like to hope that it isn’t something that will happen regularly.
{Ed001's Note - actually when Phillips and Williams were the pairing Liverpool went on an unbeaten run to get a top 4 place. It was when midfielders were used in defence before that and the useless loanee lump Kabak played that Liverpool struggled.}
14.) 05 Sep 2023 19:07:33
It’s the clear the club is run appallingly, but that’s not the fault of Evans.
Millions squandered, and never in the right places. The whole club is a cesspit right now.
15.) 05 Sep 2023 19:33:18
Giggs sees everything different in his own mind! If he ain’t seen it differently he just makes it up.
16.) 05 Sep 2023 23:05:01
I thought Liverpool struggled when the moved Fabinho into the back 4 rather than using him at DM as the shield.
17.) 05 Sep 2023 23:40:41
Ah ok, I remember them going for the title the year before and then struggling the year after when their defence was injured, only getting 4th at the end when a few players were back and Allison getting that winner.
Maze, give it a rest you tit.
{Ed001's Note - the defence was still out, it was just Klopp finally took the plunge and gave Phillips and Williams a run and put the midfield back together. Having everyone in their natural position made a huge difference.}
18.) 06 Sep 2023 02:22:37
Hi Giggs. Liverpool fan here and what Ed001 said was correct. We had three first-choice CBs (Matip, Gomez, and Van Dijk) that season and all three were out injured for the duration of the season. We then played our midfielders (Fabinho, Hendo, and Gini) in CB for a while and that was when we struggled. When Hendo and Fabinho got injured, we went out and got Davies and Kabak in the Jan window. Davies and Kabak then got injured so we were forced to play Phillips and Williams in CB. That, coupled with the return from injury of both Hendo and Fabinho, led to us going on an unbeaten run and ultimately finishing third that season.
You were partially right though when you said that we got a few players back but it was our midfield players, not our CBs that returned from injury. And that winner from Allison helped a lot as well.
19.) 07 Sep 2023 18:34:28
Take the money. Donate one week's wages to Earps to persuade her to stay. Sancho has no future at this club.
08 Jul 2023 17:26:09
Being reported that deal with Inter for Onana has been agreed.
Seemingly our first bid was 45m euros up front and 5m in extras, Inter wanting 60m.
A deal has now been done at 50m up front and 5m extras.
If true, am happy with that and he will be available for pre season tour.
Move on now to Hojlund, if that can be agreed pretty quickly, will be impressive progress.
1.) 08 Jul 2023 18:00:07
If we can offload Henderson for the reported £30 million I think its great business. Still means we need to find and understudy. Maybe a season long loan to save the funds for this season.
2.) 08 Jul 2023 19:59:43
Goodluck let's see what this o nana what's my name does for us.
3.) 09 Jul 2023 14:22:05
Sounds like an Irish keeper….
30 Jun 2023 20:05:24
So Ethan Laird been sold to Birmingham, bit surprising, but then again we need to start getting monies coming in to implement the wishes of ETH.
Wish him well, always thought there was a player there.
1.) 30 Jun 2023 20:50:37
Looks a decent player, but not what is needed. Hopefully we have a sell on fee. Wish him all the best and hopes he kicks on and has a good career.
2.) 01 Jul 2023 02:42:48
Why is it surprising? He's had a few loans now and no manager has fancied him. He's simply not good enough.
I say the same for Zidane iqbal, fans are up in arms that were letting him go.
The same fans that say whoever ten hag wants we should back him and get.
The manager sees him day in day out training, he doesn't rate him. I'll take the pro coaches opinion over the armchair pundits.
3.) 01 Jul 2023 08:37:16
In terms of fess and where football is atm, these fees are peanuts and more akin to house cleaning and getting rid of stuff you will never use and just want your place free of clutter.
Reality is we are not producing enough players good enough for first team football and not investing enough atm.
4.) 01 Jul 2023 09:02:22
He's one of those lads who might end up being a bit of a late bloomer. Injuries have made it difficult for him to kick on and he's getting to a point in his career where he needs stability and regular playing time.
Talented lad, but not all of them make it to the top. Wish him the best with the rest of his career.
5.) 01 Jul 2023 09:55:54
They did a study a few years back, 97% of Elite Academy players didn't make one first team appearance.
Ethan is one of the lucky ones who should be able to make a career out of football, wish him all the best.
6.) 01 Jul 2023 10:13:07
Finally we’re producing players that we can sell on to keep the academy viable. Look a the clubs they’ve gone to.
We all seem to harp back to to the 92 youth team - once in a lifetime side which is what made it all so special.
7.) 01 Jul 2023 11:03:27
Not every lad that comes through the academy will make it regardless of their talent. Some can't make the step up, some aren't mentally strong enough to handle the pressure, some just don't get the chances at the right time.
However, I also think we put too high a bar on whether an academy lad is a success. It's world class or nothing.
A lot of talk of the class of 92, but I'd argue that players like O'Shea, Brown, Fletcher etc have all had telling contributions to the club during their time with us.
Personally I feel like the academy should be where we get most of our squad players from, give them a chance as back up, and maybe they will make the jump.
The problem comes when we have a bloated squad and they are 5th or 6th choice down the pecking order. They'll never get the minutes need to make the jump like that.
Personally I'd like us to have around 18 quality outfield players in our squad, then the rest of the squad be made up from talented academy players.
8.) 01 Jul 2023 12:51:13
Whilst we wish it were different, not many of our youth prospects are actually good enough to make it in the first team, perhaps even players like Hannibal.
So few youngsters actually make it in first teams, even at City, Liverpool etc
Perhaps only Mainoo and Lacey have got this potential.
So much work to do to catch up with youth recruitment and other academies - who hoard youngsters from around the world use the youth system primarily as a revenue stream.
9.) 01 Jul 2023 15:44:07
I’ll chuck my tuppence worth in. I’d argue the points made that our academy is failing and not doing its job is total nonsense. The percentage of players that go on to be premier league stars is such a tiny percentage, we were spoiled by the class of 92.
But if you look at the number of players who go on to become solid professional footballers then I’d suggest it’s a pretty high number. I’m fortunate to be pals with James Wilson who we had a few years ago, and I can tell you now, he’s made a great living from football and from a founding by Manchester United.
The academy gets plenty of investment. It’s not just about producing players for our first team.
10.) 01 Jul 2023 21:09:28
It seems we have taken the view with our youth team that a few extra millions now is not worth it compared to a higher sell on fee which could exceed what we would get now.
Laird looked good, then had a problem period. Obviously EtH does not think he will fit so best for all he moves on.
I think Mainoo and Fernandes may break through.
11.) 01 Jul 2023 22:03:12
I wouldn’t focus on the fee.
The academy needs to offer a route to first team football and for many that won’t be at Utd.
By having a low fee the player will get more options and that speaks well for future recruitment.
There will be additional clauses that will see Utd profit if the player excels.
The lower leagues are full of ex Utd talent and it’s great the club can offer that route to players.
12.) 01 Jul 2023 23:40:30
I think a lot of it with the academy lads is not just talent but adaptability, opportunity and a lot of luck. Everyone wants to see the exciting skilful young players come through and make it into the first team, myself included. But sometimes it’s the ones you don’t expect that make themselves a reliable member in the squad and could go on to play 150-200 games for us over the course of their career. Everybody is excited to see what comes of Lacey, Ibragimov and Hansen but the truth is we felt the same way about Angel Gomes, Chong and Fosu Mensah a few years ago. The next solid first teamer from the academy could be Savage or Bennett for all we know. Not everyone can be a Scholes or a Giggs. I’d be very happy to have a Wes Brown, a John O’Shea and a Danny Welbeck in our squad.
13.) 01 Jul 2023 23:52:09
I think that you will find there are more players playing professional football who started out or played for Utd youth or academy teams than from any other team.
03 Jun 2023 16:09:25
So Jurrien Timber seen walking down Wembley Way to watch the game. Would seem to suggest a story!
Mind you prior to ETH arriving Timber was known to be a big City fan and was expected to eventually sign for them.
Maybe things have changed with ETH at Old Trafford, he does cover both centre back and right back.
1.) 03 Jun 2023 17:15:44
Apparently, according to plenty on here, he's far too small and weak to do a job in the PL.
Also, apparently, once you suggest a player for a position or squad option that is certainly of secondary concern, you must suddenly be placing him above the essential targets.
I think he'd be an astute signing.
I don't actually think we're certain to get Kim and there are plenty of options mentioned as alternatives, but apparently not Timber.
2.) 03 Jun 2023 19:50:56
Thought Min-Jae was supposed to be the preferred option at CB, unless both Maguire and Varane are leaving.
Not sure where he would fit in with the RB position seemingly settled with Dalot's extension and AWB starting ahead of him.
3.) 03 Jun 2023 21:11:44
defensively will get found out in pl. no where near good enough as a cb. Good offensively and distribution wise.
4.) 03 Jun 2023 21:19:04
On todays showing we still have a massive problem at right back…….
5.) 03 Jun 2023 21:41:27
Can't quite put my finger on AWB. Amazing recover speed, a little unpredictable, seems away with the fairies most of the time. Limited/ non-existant attacking and crossing threat.
{Ed002's Note - If you want to start touching him you need to ask nicely.}
6.) 03 Jun 2023 22:05:06
Frankly, SYDNEY! put it nicely on Match Posts:
AWB doesn't get marked. No need to.
Anyone who thinks last-ditch tackling compensates adequately for every single other aspect of his game being nowhere near good enough has absolutely no idea of what it takes to be a FB.
I was a RB and I can promise you that Wan-Bissaka is an incredibly basic defender - Timber is a vastly superior player to both AWB and Dalot. In terms of defensive ability, he's on a different planet.
7.) 04 Jun 2023 10:55:20
Ha Ed yeah. got to be careful how you word anything these days!
Woggle you're right. Quite a few times in recent games AWB has been completely unmarked in acres of space in the attacking third with the opposition barely taking any notice of him. But I doubt it's as naieve as to suggest the opposing manager has told the leftback not to worry about him lol.
8.) 04 Jun 2023 12:05:13
Did anyone see walker around our box yesterday. He must be useless offensively i guess, never got forward.
9.) 04 Jun 2023 12:37:11
Our defending from set pieces and corners has been an issue all year. The korean guy is perfect and will solve some of that.
I wish he was left footed, which would be too good to be true. Will take him all day over timber. Probably best CB in serie A.
10.) 04 Jun 2023 13:03:45
Spenno
For any player to help United return to the top, there must be a decent level of game IQ.
As a RB, even when receiving the ball along the defensive line, he makes no movements, with or without the ball, that might open a channel.
Now, on the very odd occasion a channel might present itself, he doesn't back himself to execute a pass beyond 20 yards. The only type of pass he's comfortable with making is when the recipient is in clear view and plenty of space. 50% of his passes are either too heavy or too light.
As for his advanced wing play, well, it's a once-in-every-4-or-5-games showreel.
I can't remember the opposition, but Wan-Bissaka was once being lauded for a piece of skill further upfield, there was nothing outrageous about it. Most 'skill' plays from him that might have some thinking he's dancing through like Messi are just messy - there's nothing coordinated about his footwork at all. In tight spaces, he moves like a newborn camel - more Cranefly than Spider.
Positionally, he makes so many other defenders look less competent because of the sheer amount of times they have to cover 2 positions, thus leaving themselves exposed while he sprints back before putting his head in his hands.
So many people only see that burst of effort and think he, not the colleague who tried in vain to cover for his shortcomings, is doing things right - he's a liability for any system that isn't primarily defensive.
I remember the PSG game where, apparently, according to so many, he shackled Mbappe. It was Tuanzebe who pocketed Mbappe, not Wan-Bissaka, but because he slapped him a couple of times with his lallies, all the plaudits went to Wan-Bissaka.
I watched that game and saw how much of an exceptional game Tuanzebe had - he was absolutely on fire. He also had to cover for Wan-Bissaka on a few occasions.
For all those who might wonder why Varane looks more comfortable next to Wan-Bissaka than Lindelof or Maguire do, it's very simple.
Varane is a remarkably composed defender who reads the game far, far better than most, he is also very good at organising his colleagues in a calming manner. How often do you see Varane losing it?
We are talking the very basics of composure.
Shaw, for example, deals well with verbal from a colleague, but not verbal from one who has no idea how to organise a thing - which explains why he looks far better next to Martinez than Maguire.
Both Wan-Bissaka and Dalot look better alongside Varane because Varane understands that they each have little composure and can be rattled so easily. He adapts his own game to accommodate the shortcomings of both of them.
The only things that Wan-Bissaka has over Timber are recovery speed and last-ditch tackling - both only vital when a mistake has been made.
Wan-Bissaka does his recovery work so often because he's so often created a scenario that demands drastic solutions - a basic defender.
He has improved a little offensively, but he's 25 now and still looks lost in advanced areas - there's little room for further improvement.
Personally, I'd say he finds himself in lots of space mainly because the opposition frequently double up on Antony. The fact the subsequent output is so poor should serve as further proof that he's just not good enough.
11.) 04 Jun 2023 14:01:02
AWB is not good to get in at any of our rivals.
End off. Class 1v1 but we need to players who can contribute with the ball and positionally.
Other players get doubled up on as AWB poses no risk with the ball nothing no end product; can’t invert; no key pass; no cross - zero output.
Frimpong/ Hakimi would add another dimension to Utd.
Same with DdG, both ultimately good players but not what the team needs and there qualities are a net reduction in the overall output of the team.
12.) 04 Jun 2023 15:13:06
Ahmad H
Did you see Sancho playing?
I didn't because Walker had him on toast.
Walker was playing on the right of a defensive 3 which means his forays forward were limited - that's just the system keeping him back.
What happened to him when Garnacho came on? Oh yeah, he was getting ripped.
Timber, if played at RB, will make you eat your words mate - 100%.
What exactly is it that makes you so sure he'd be signed for the CB role and, while we're here, what on earth are you seeing in Wan-Bissaka or Dalot that makes you think they're better FBs?
Of course, for CB, Kim is by far a better option - I don't think anyone on here has ever been stupid enough to suggest otherwise, but Timber would be a massive upgrade at RB and would provide adequate, if not perfect, cover at CB in the event of an injury dilemma or when tired legs could with a rest.
What I find remarkable about your valuation of versatility in football is that players like Kudus must presumably tick all your boxes from an attacking perspective, but when it comes to defence, the sheer idea of versatile players is something you don't seem willing to consider.
Ten Hag loves a versatile player, not just positionally, but also with systems.
I mean, take the City approach with the two hybrids.
If United put Martinez and Casemiro in front of the three CBs, one would need to adequately cover the left side and one would be needed for the right.
Please don't insult anyone's intelligence by saying either Wan-Bissaka or Dalot would be better suited to that system than Timber.
With 4 at the back, anyone playing inside Wan-Bissaka or Dalot will perform to a lesser standard than they would if their FB was a competent defender - even Kim would look more suspect than he should if he has to put up with one of those two on his flank.
If the choices for RB were Timber or Frimpong, I'd choose according to the system the team will be concentrated around.
From an attacking perspective, it'd be Frimpong all day - he, although only 5'7", can also mix it in midfield.
From a defensive perspective, it'd be Timber all day.
We can only speculate on the evolution of ten Hag's system at United, none of us know how his favoured system will look.
Will it be possession-based?
Will it be all pressing and energy?
Will it be based on rapid breaks?
Will it be defensive?
Based on the interest in Mount, I'd imagine ten Hag wants a system based on pressing and energy.
This would suggest to me that Frimpong would be better suited to the system, but Wan-Bissaka and Dalot can both find themselves a bin because they both offer little quality to such a system - even the slower, less offensive Timber would offer more than two players who each have the legs but no idea.
13.) 04 Jun 2023 22:53:21
Woggle
What does kudus have to do with a cb conversation. I don’t think we are going to buy a rb. If we are going to buy someone who can play a bit off both cb/ rb pavard from bayern would be a better option although older.
I am not going to play football manager and formations mate. Club has two Rb’s can’t see adding another one and as a cb for me timber is light. My personal opinion.
14.) 05 Jun 2023 01:21:43
Ahmad H
Pavard does not want to join a team and play RB, he's made that very clear.
If I had my way, I'd sell Maguire and keep Lindelof, but the latter is apparently fed up of not being a starter and is considering his future. If Lindelof leaves in the same window as Maguire, Jones and Tuanzebe, that leaves us with Martinez, Varane, Shaw and Bailly as senior options - 3 CBs and 1 LB as an auxiliary option. Let's say United buy Kim, what then? Are you seriously going to be happy with the prospect of 4 senior CBs and a LB as options for a whole season across 4 competitions?
Varane has injury issues and Bailly is as robust as a Fabergé Egg. Let's say Bailly also leaves - a perfectly realistic prospect, what then?
Should we then be looking at Wan-Bissaka or Dalot as options?
Should we take a punt on the injury-hampered Mengi or the untried youth?
My point regarding Timber is concerning him being primarily used at RB - a vast upgrade on the 2 bang average options we currently have, but with the benefit of adding another option for a department with significant injury concerns - Varane, Bailly and Mengi.
Simply put, if Lindelof stays, then yeah, Timber would not be essential. If Lindelof does leave with at least 3 other options, we'll certainly need 2 CBs - there's no escaping that reality. There are plenty of options out there - Disasi for one, but the squad needs numbers.
You cannot expect to excel throughout the season in 4 competitions with a maximum contingent of 4 senior CBs, of whom 2 have significant injury issues, you just can't.
I mentioned Kudus because he would offer no more quality or dynamism to the attack than Timber would to the defence.
I see Timber as a PL RB with the ability to cover at CB or play on the right of a 3.
Is he the perfect solution?
No, but as a defender I can't ignore the obvious - he's on a different planet to Wan-Bissaka and Dalot in terms of defensive ability.
Besides GK and RB, what other position is there for United that doesn't have a single top-level option?
Yeah, we need squad depth and backups to first-choice options, but what about the quality in the starting 11?
For me, the priorities for signings this summer should be, if things work out nicely (oh yeah, I'm talking fantasy now mate), in this order - Striker, CB, GK, CM and RB.
United committed to a spend of over £220m last summer for 4 players, Eriksen coming in for free. Let's say United have a little firesale of the squad options who aren't nearly good enough - your Elangas and Maguires, your McTominays and your Martials, raising over £100m to add to the mooted £180m.
Let's say United pay £100m for a striker, £60m for a CB, £50m for a GK, should they then throw the remaining £70m+ on Mount or get savvy again with astute purchases?
15.) 05 Jun 2023 09:28:04
woggle
I already agreed offensively he is better than AWB and on the fence if he is better than Dalot. Playing in the Pl so difficult compared to the Dutch league.
I prefer a proper CB than a makeshift CB, who is really better playing as a RB. We are very light at CB and the Korean guy is excellent with the ball and can ping passes and a brut of a defender. For the price being quoted I would take him over Timber and great bit of business Imo if we get it done.
If you look at the market, CB's of that quality and age would cost you an arm and a leg and he is cheap considering the market.
One other thing, Our guy Martinez made that whole defensive unit at Ajax look a lot better than they actually might be. I guess we will find out if he does get a transfer to PL for us or another team.
My own view is if we want to challenge for the PL, we need 2 strikers, two CM, CB and a goalie, RB not a priority this window and fix the right wing play by either having Greenwood back or even Amad who looked excellent on his loan stint.
16.) 05 Jun 2023 10:45:50
ahmad
Mate, I think we've just travelled the long and untidy road to reach the clear view of the horizon.
Of course Kim is among the best options for CB, Timber isn't. I would personally go for Antonio Silva over anyone else on the planet, but he probably has his sights set much higher.
For the price though, Kim does tick all the boxes.
My main issue with the RB options is that both senior LB options are far more reliable than Wan-Bissaka and Dalot. Irrespective of who comes in and who leaves this summer, the RB weakness must be addressed as a priority by the end of next summer.
Obviously, things are still up in the air, the Glazers doing what they're best at, Greenwood, as well as the club's infamy as one that routinely fails to get rid of those in the squad who aren't up to standard - the RB and GK positions being the 2 most glaring examples.
A jolly good clear out/ firesale at United is long, long overdue.
Yet, we all know such event will be delayed or effectively postponed by the flexing from the parasites.
Personally, I don't see United buying 2 strikers and 2 CMs unless they explore a couple of freebies or actually commit to the idea of bringing lesser-known talents in from South or Central America.
Ultimately, we can only speculate as to what ten Hag and indeed the club as a whole are going to do over the summer - all the cards are quite understandably being kept hidden, but we all need to see something tangible soon.
17.) 05 Jun 2023 11:56:00
Woggle
Would love to get Silva but would probably cost a fortune. Araujo from Barcelona is also class but can't see them selling him and would cost a fortune too.
Rash and Garnacho offer a lot more as wingers than antony and hence we look a lot more complete on the left side with shaw.
I think we will buy another cm besides mount. A free like Rabiot or Ambrabat. That city game was crying out for someone like them instead of Ericson. Not sure where either going.
We were in for both last year even before erikson's injury so definitely something eth is seeing and wanting to improve.
18.) 05 Jun 2023 13:10:26
Ahmad
Mate, defensively, the differences between the 3 are so marginal that it adds no real value to the debate.
If United could get Amrabat for no more than £45m, I'd be interested, but then again, I'd rather go for Ugarte at £50m+ or Kone for £40m. However, Rabiot on a free is certainly an intriguing option - big ego, tough af mother, big wages, but a proper baller who loves a battle.
Of that group, I would go for Rabiot as an upgrade on McTominay. I know most would switch him in for Fred, but I do like Fred's workrate - far superior and tidy compared to that of McTominay. Also, Fred, like Rabiot, is predominantly left-footed - for balance throughout the options in midfield he must stay for me. Until you get to Charlie Savage, United have no other left-footed CMs.
People don't realise how much progressive systems of play can be inhibited by not having enough left-footed options in midfield - Fernandes, Eriksen, Casemiro, Sabitzer and McTominay are all predominantly right-footed so, when Antony finds himself in space on the right, there's frequently no left-footed midfielder able to immediately ping a ball onto his toe or into his flow. Instead, they will frequently drop back onto their right peg and subsequently reduce the impact of the attack by delaying the release.
So, Rabiot and Mount?
19.) 05 Jun 2023 22:28:21
I think that's a major improvement. most of really poor games this year has been because we lose control of middle of the pitch. We would score a lot more if we had a midfield that is not flawed. Our physical guys are technically not great and vice versa.
Interesting game coming up and we will get to see ambrabat and rice in action. both targets i guess if you believe what's being reported.
I Want Our Trophy Back's banter posts with other poster's replies to I Want Our Trophy Back's banter posts
14 Apr 2024 16:42:09
Absolutely fantastic, the women have beaten Chelsea for the first time ever to reach the F. A. Cup final.
Terrific defensive performance in second half, Spurs in the final.
Come on you girl's!
1.) 14 Apr 2024 17:27:36
Brilliant ???.
2.) 14 Apr 2024 17:46:37
Great news. Let's hope the men can do the same next week. I'm very hopeful.
Great result for the ladies today.
3.) 14 Apr 2024 19:17:33
Great performance and revenge for last year…well done ladies! ???.
11 Apr 2024 22:14:24
Sorry sent too early.
As saying watched Atalanta, what a terrific team (were playing Liverpool) they went in 1 goal up, at half time, and should really have been 2 or 3 ahead, they scored again in second half for
0-3 and it could of been more.
They play very high energy and did to Lpool what they do to others, of players linked to us Ederson at defensive midfield looked very good, very skilful as well as aware defensively and Koopmeiners also looked very good.
A small town team with low budgets can do very well with right set up, their wages are about one third of Juventus. Second leg next week should be a good game.
1.) 11 Apr 2024 22:42:30
Gasperini is an excellent coach and has been working wonders with Atalanta for a few years now.
2.) 11 Apr 2024 23:44:59
He is indeed Tim and plays a pressing game with an extraordinary man marking system. It worked well tonight and they beat Liverpool convincingly.
Indeed they have won something like their last 9 or 10 away games in Europe, their last loss was at Old Trafford over 2 years ago.
3.) 12 Apr 2024 09:31:24
I watched the Westham game vs leverkusen and the score was flattering for westham. They are really good to watch and wirtz is such a good player. I would replace bruno with him in a heart beat, proper 10.
Tapsoda is also a top defender and palacios is very very good. Lots of quality in that team. They should win it.
4.) 12 Apr 2024 10:37:28
Can we poach that coach?
Eth is a fraud.
5.) 12 Apr 2024 10:37:48
Wonder if they'll remain undefeated this season? Getting close to that Arsenal invincibles record.
I wonder if another captaincy change next season might relieve Bruno of some pressure and help him do what he does best.
6.) 12 Apr 2024 11:08:28
They should have beaten us too if I recall…they should have been out of sight by HT but we rallied and got a result maybe more by luck than judgement. I just like Atalanta and their approach, they make the best of their resources and are a pleasure to watch.
7.) 12 Apr 2024 11:22:55
I'll get my coat. Was mixing up Atalanta with Leverkusen.
8.) 12 Apr 2024 12:41:19
What's that spenno? Give the ball away and whinge another ref?
9.) 12 Apr 2024 17:06:12
Wirtz was one of the players Ed002 told us Rangnick had recommended for the club to sign. As was Szoboszlai.
10.) 12 Apr 2024 19:35:18
We would be in a different place if we had appointed Ragnik as DF and had a competent coach working under him.
11.) 13 Apr 2024 07:55:49
Dodgy, yep, another one we cocked up. And not the only person we had in the building who we let slip through our hands due to incompetence.
12.) 13 Apr 2024 10:08:11
We brought RR in to be a consultant. One of the key points, vital for a consultant, is the support from the very top in wanting to bring change. Often a consultant will tell painful truths and look to make notable change to improve. The club felt they needed a consultant, but totally failed to understand what they brought in, or to support him. That tells you RR did not have support from the very top and was a shocking way to run a business. Shambolic.
Thing is RR shouldn’t have been made manager, not even interim, another awful decision. The club should have listened to him, but failed and it shows why there has been such a mess.
13.) 13 Apr 2024 12:56:20
Exactly redman, he was hung out by the club in a role with zero support and the press went for him. They have done the same with every other manager tbf. It is good for the senior teams and owners if a sacrificial lamb gets blamed every few years. The problems run much deeper.
Tony martial will leave for free this summer after Joel insisted he must stay. We have no ide how much j terfering has been going on behind the scenes.
Cant wait to have a dir football in place who is a football guy, not a banker.
11 Apr 2024 22:01:48
Decided to watch Atalanta tonight, thought would take a look at some of the players we have been linked with.
1.) 11 Apr 2024 22:13:10
Whats your verdict? The suspense is killing me.
2.) 11 Apr 2024 22:21:25
Didn't see it. I've heard a fair amount about Ederson, how'd he look?
01 Apr 2024 19:17:32
It seems Jason Wilcox has resigned his position with Southampton in an effort to push through his move to us.
Seemingly there was a compensation clause of 12 months salary in his contract, which we allegedly have offered to Southampton, which they have declined as they want more.
No doubt they will put him on gardening leave, looking on the bright side with all the prospective employees we will have on gardening leave if the football fails we could turn Old Trafford into quite an appealing tourist attraction.
19 Feb 2024 00:37:50
So Dan Ashworth has told Newcastle he want's to leave and has been placed on gardening leave.
Always felt sorry for those put on gardening leave who live in a flat!
{Ed001's Note - be worse in a hotel as you wouldn't even have pot plants to water.}
1.) 19 Feb 2024 00:49:36
That's right Ed, no doubt they would have to manage with just the pot!
{Ed001's Note - why, is the hotel in Amsterdam?}
2.) 19 Feb 2024 09:54:26
That's why Jose lived in hotels. Saves money on the pot plants.
3.) 19 Feb 2024 11:05:16
Be cool if his name was Doug.
4.) 19 Feb 2024 12:15:04
How can he he placed on garden leave if no deal is agreed nor contract signed?
5.) 19 Feb 2024 12:39:44
I’ve had two lots of 6 month Garden Leave.
1st was mint as it lined up perfectly with Fallout 4 release.
2nd was last summer and boring so volunteered at Social Value business and picked the kids up every day.
6.) 19 Feb 2024 13:18:36
Eric, you don't have to of signed any new deal to be suspended from work.
There is probably a clause in his contract with Newcastle that would cover this kind of situation in any event.
7.) 19 Feb 2024 15:21:13
Utd Road lol. 6 months of Fallout 4 sounds a dream.
8.) 19 Feb 2024 18:54:44
If this one comes off it genuinely feels like it could be Utds biggest 'signing' of the last decade, even more than any of the managers we've had. The effect of Ashworth's involvement at Brighton and then Newcastle has been nothing short of revolutionary. Admittedly the Toon cash alongside his knowledge helped, but it's probably what he was able to do at Brighton without those millions that is even more impressive. Hope Utd stump up to get him in quickly so he can begin planning for summer.
I Want Our Trophy Back's rumour replies
19 Apr 2024 19:36:54
It's very good news, thought it was close when they let Murtough go.
Need Ashworth sorted as soon as, then get on with proper planning for the future.
22 Mar 2024 17:26:50
Can he inspire though? I don't see it.
{Ed002's Note - It is not reallyabout inspiration.}
21 Mar 2024 13:03:06
Think you are right Wallace, although it's well known Nacho is pretty obsessed with Ronaldo, indeed, has been said the reason he came to us was to follow in his footsteps.
Think he will probably leave in 4-5 years time, suspect it will be Real, but hopefully we get plenty from him in the meantime.
12 Mar 2024 22:14:39
Giggs to Sheringham, yes mate, you are spot on. When we win almost no posts, see after Everton game.
If we lose it goes mental with dozens of posts essentially repeating the same thing over and over.
12 Mar 2024 22:09:44
Red Man, he has clearly stated that he has deactivated his social media for a month just to focus on Ramadan.
The point is though, you seem to just scour the media purely to seek negative stories which you then jump on here to use as a stick to beat every aspect of the club with. Leaving aside the issue of perhaps looking to find some correlation of the truth or otherwise of these usually spurious and nonsensical stories, it has to be said you seem to have lost all sense of even handedness and fair mindedness towards anything related to the club, yet you try and present yourself as some form of premier supporter.
I Want Our Trophy Back's banter replies
13 Apr 2024 14:55:50
We need to be talking to him about a new contract, his expires in 2025.
Think he may well play quite a few of the games left this season. One really good quality is his terrific pace, need to be careful with him though as he has had frequent fitness issues in the past.
Seemingly he frequently turns up for training about 2.5 hours before due time to do extensive injury prevention work. As a result this season he has been fit most of the the time.
Word is he is relentlessly positive and is one of the most enthusiastic players at Utd, he is buzzing to be around the training ground every day. This is very much what you want to see in a player as it is most certainly not just talent that will get you to the top.
Go Willy, go.
11 Apr 2024 23:44:59
He is indeed Tim and plays a pressing game with an extraordinary man marking system. It worked well tonight and they beat Liverpool convincingly.
Indeed they have won something like their last 9 or 10 away games in Europe, their last loss was at Old Trafford over 2 years ago.
05 Apr 2024 21:48:29
Good point Ports, thought similar myself. A fully fit Mount, hopefully all next season, may well bring an extra level of creativity.
I fully expected for today, on here, to be pretty much as is, but given the dog's abuse he has suffered on here, mostly justified, bit of praise for one of best crosses I have seen for a very long time from Antony for 3rd goal. Indeed his second half performance was good overall, more of that needed.
01 Apr 2024 21:28:06
They definitely seem to be taking PSR seriously, I know they have started advertising for a senior financial controller with expertise in the new rules and regulations.
All this newly found professionalism seems a million miles away from the slap dash of recent times, but as Ed001 rightly say's they all have to gel. I am however optimistic they will.
01 Apr 2024 19:54:49
It's not that long ago he was part of our 1st team management and he got a fair amount of dog's abuse on here for being supposedly useless! How times change.