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25 Oct 2026 12:59:34
Well, Fernandes and Martinez both dropped to the bench.
Yoro and Heaven both playing with Harry and Dalot.
Santos, Baleba, Mount and Tielmans, Amad and Mbuemo.
There has to be significant reaction from everyone.
Think we could see some significant departures in January.
04 Sep 2026 14:47:53
Well, well, another Welshman from the Academy is on his way.
Louie Bradbury has signed for Stoke City on a permanent deal. Another striker who did O.K. last season.
Interestingly, he only signed his first professional contract on 12th August!
It seems pretty clear there is quite some culling of the Academy going on, giving the number of exits through sales, loans and releases.
It seems to be the right thing to do if they do not see these lads as likely to succeed. No point in keeping them, as it benefits nobody. Let them try elsewhere.
Again, no details of the deal.
Wish him well.
1.) 04 Sep 2026 17:53:06
As far as producing great talent that later benefits the club's first team is concerned, the record over the last decade and a half is quite patchy. Rashford is probably the most successful. Pogba had his moment in the sun, elsewhere. McT has done incredibly well at Napoli. Garner's looked decent at Everton. Cleverley never remotely lived up to the next Paul Scholes hype. Lingard was a flash in the pan. Greenwood sabotaged himself, as did Ravel Morrison. Mainoo looks like he could truly make it. Maybe Lacey, of the more recent grads, will come through.
One of the things that's struck me is, all too often, the players coming through the academy look quite small and physically ill suited to the rigours of the EPL.
Not only have we not developed too many real stars useful to us, we really haven't been able to generate much serious cash from the academy either. Maybe, like the bloated payroll that was allowed to develop under the Woodward regime, the academy needed an overhaul. There's no point in keeping players who are not going to make it. The earlier you can recognize it, the better.
2.) 04 Sep 2026 21:37:02
I think it is precisely that. The realisation that they are not going to reach the hoped for level has instigated a significant clear out.
I agree about the physicality. Indeed, watching the recent FA Youth Cup final against City, I thought that exact same thing. We were very much secondary in that respect.
I also think the same when we play Chelsea, both U18s and U21s. They are successful both on the pitch and also when it comes to the selling of players to raise funds. Their players all seem to be that much bigger.
City and Chelsea are clearly the front runners when it comes to obtaining significant fees for their academy players.
Remember that many of them have had a fair amount of first team opportunity. It would be interesting to see how much Chelsea have actually raised over the last 10 years.
Also needs to be remembered that Jason Wilcox is widely recognised as playing a significant role in building City's academy.
It is pleasing that changes have already started, with all the new youth signings of the last 18mths or so, and this clearing the decks should further augment the hoped for renewal.
Time will tell!
3.) 06 Sep 2026 08:22:39
IWOTB
Some good points. I often felt the club were looking for ball players and didn't consider or even discounted the physical side. We seemed to emphasise youth changing positions to learn other areas, and ended up with jacks of all trades rather than master of one. I think on youth recruitment we have not actually looked and coordinated the positions we need for the first team. For example, it is many years since a true centre forward broke through.
I am interested in the two lads we picked up from City, one being a CM. But where is the CF? Generally there is a dearth of CF except maybe that lad at Villa. Fundamental change for the youth is needed. I read years back what City were doing locally and we were sitting back thinking we are United, if we are not going to spend big, they need to do far better with the youth.
03 Sep 2026 23:38:32
Gabriele Biancheri has joined FC Wacker Innsbruck on a permanent deal.
They are an Austrian second tier club who have had a number of promotions over recent years. An ambitious club who apparently have some money behind them. A bit like Como in Italy.
Slightly surprised as no talk whatsoever of this move, but perhaps for the best. He did very well for U18s but struggled a bit last season. Always thought he lacked a bit of physicality for first team. He was a fox in the box type.
As a fellow Welshman I wish him well in his future career.
No info on terms of deal.
30 Aug 2026 13:21:10
Toby Collyer deal to West Brom all agreed.
£3m fixed with £4.3m in extras. 40% sell on clause.
When we signed him from Brighton, there were very high expectations for him. He was pretty well regarded as the best young defensive midfielder in the country, so such a shame for him.
Injuries have had a significant effect on him. Really hope he can overcome those issues and find the level that was expected of him.
Wish him well.
1.) 30 Aug 2026 15:44:28
Good luck to him, but, like many of ours, he is just not up to the standard of what is required. But then again, I don't think what we are buying is up to what is required either, so 4m is paltry money really. Is there a 50 mil gulf between him and Santos!
2.) 31 Aug 2026 09:13:57
I think he was a little unlucky with us. He picked up an injury just as he was really starting to break through, and by the time he was back again, Mainoo had overtaken him.
Hopefully he'll be able to kick on at West Brom. If he can achieve his full potential there, then I expect him to end up back in the EPL soon.
3.) 01 Sep 2026 00:19:35
Probably would have been sold for 43 million if it was Chelsea or City selling him. ??
27 Aug 2026 12:37:44
Seemingly we are in talks with Fiorentina after they submitted an official bid for Zirkzee.
They want a loan, and have offered a loan fee of €5m. They also want a buy clause and negotiations are underway for this.
Suspect this may well get done as best for all parties. Could well open a space for a replacement. Wonder if there are any surprises behind the scenes. Hope so.
1.) 27 Aug 2026 13:26:00
A guaranteed loan to buy is needed, then it will be classed as a sale under SCR.
2.) 27 Aug 2026 13:41:00
Italian clubs drive me mad.... It's always a bloody loan.
3.) 27 Aug 2026 14:48:28
Hope they have a striker lined up. Going into the season with just Sesko is mad. Especially as he seems to pick up injuries quite a bit.
I know others can play there, but it's not their natural position, and it shows when they play there.
The team and squad need another option for out and out striker.
4.) 27 Aug 2026 16:15:43
Watkins/Mateta.
5.) 27 Aug 2026 16:32:24
Cunha/Mateta.
6.) 27 Aug 2026 17:29:00
Watkins off to Saudi. It's road Mateta, most likely too expensive and honestly not good enough. Ivan Toney maybe.
7.) 27 Aug 2026 18:07:55
Ivan Toney won't come back because tax implications. Mateta would be best we can hope for.
8.) 27 Aug 2026 19:37:29
I've no objection to Zirkzee moving, and I'm delighted it frees up space to get a cf in to help Sesko and challenge him for a starting spot.
I've not seen us really linked with anybody all summer with any credibility to it.
Whomever it is can't do any worse than Zirkzee, it's hard to know what profile they will go for.
I've no idea at all who they will target.
9.) 27 Aug 2026 22:08:47
Hasn't Tony earned enough? If he comes back to the Premier League, it would help him in terms of his England place. Watkins has probably harmed his own chances by going.
I would welcome a motivated Tony.
10.) 28 Aug 2026 10:21:38
I love the idea that there is a queue of clubs fighting over signing Zirkzee. What an underwhelming player he's been. I don't even know what position to tag him with.
11.) 28 Aug 2026 10:52:20
Mateta looks like the most likely, and he wants out of Palace, and would be a good second option to Sesko. Seems to be some noise around the lad at Freiburg, but don't know anything about him.
However, the way we have moved this summer, it could be we are working on someone that is not being discussed, so we will have to see going into the window close.
12.) 28 Aug 2026 10:41:08
It's a tricky one, in an ideal world we'd sign a more experienced striker to rotate/challenge Sesko up front.
The problem is that it's pretty slim pickings.
Oli Watkins would probably have been the best option, but is going to Saudi for a large fee.
Ivan Toney could be an interesting option, but much like Henderson he would be forced to pay a large tax bill on his return to the UK. I believe Henderson spent a season with Ajax in the Netherlands to avoid that. Even if we could get him for a reasonable price, his wages would be excessive, especially for the role we need.
Jean-Phillpe Mateta on paper looks like a sensible choice, EPL proven, in his final year and Palace would accept a reasonable fee for him. However, his move to AC Milan broke down due to concerns that came up in his medical. Given that we pulled the plug in the Ederson deal for similar reasons, I wonder whether he is someone the club would seriously look at.
Viktor Osimhen is probably the premier option, but will cost a fortune both in fee and wages, has had injury concerns in the past, and would demand to be first choice. Which would limit Sesko's game time.
A name we haven't been linked with but who I personally think could be a good option is Marcus Thuram from Inter Milan. Strong, and quick, I don't think he'd have a issue adapting to the EPL. Has a history of also playing out wide, and can be a centre forward who creates for his teammates. At 29, is a great age to come in and challenge Sesko for a few years, but isn't necessarily going to expect to be first choice (more accepting of fighting for his place, as he has at Inter). Inter have also just brought back Pio Esposito who will push Thuram for a starting spot.
However, as we can see if we are looking for a striker who is 26-30 years old, the options are pretty slim, and certainly not ideal.
I wonder if the club might look at signing a younger, hungry, up and coming player to push/compete with Sesko. Someone who hasn't yet quite had a breakout season, and as such could be available for a reasonable fee. The kind of player who if he doesn't quite make it to the level we need that we could sell them in a couple of years for a similar fee or even a profit.
Some options could be:
Samu Aghehowa maybe from Porto (although I doubt he'd be cheap enough), Matias Fernandez-Pardo from Lille, Igor Matanovic from Freiberg, Marc Guiu from Chelsea, or Nicolo Tresoldi from Club Brugge.
I wonder if the club might go down that route to replace Zirkzee.
13.) 28 Aug 2026 13:12:34
Am I alone in being absolutely mystified, along with being massively annoyed, at how terrible, and I do mean utterly incompetent and terrible, Man Utd are at player sales.
Delap gets sold by Chelsea for £50m despite being utterly s**** and scoring only two goals all season, including only one in the league in 28 games, and yet we are selling for half that amount for Zirkzee who is absolutely proven in Italy and scored twice as many league goals in 4 fewer games. And yet again, a bloody loan. Unbelievably s*** negotiators and terrible comms to agents, media, and rumour mills. We are absolutely atrocious at sales, the worst selling club across Europe by a country mile. Ineos have done a good, not great but good job of resetting the expectations of selling clubs, but wow, when it comes to getting rid of the players we don't want, we are useless.
Rijjnders was a crap purchase by City and yet they get £55m for him, Newcastle just blapped £55m on Njco Gonzales who has done nothing whilst at City and yet leaves for a £5m profit. Nicolas Jackson gets sold for £65m despite bombing in the Premier League and being out on three loans. What the hell is wrong with these people? And don't even start with wages because Zirkzee is on peanuts compared to Delap, Jackson or Gonzales — 50k less than Delap, same money as Gonzales and 25k less than Jackson. We cannot keep selling assets so badly just because we don't want to keep them. It doesn't cause issues for anyone else, so why do we accept this inept approach to sales?
14.) 28 Aug 2026 14:05:50
Either way we need a striker and left back as minimum.
15.) 28 Aug 2026 18:32:39
The Delap one I would give a little bit of a pass on. The only reason he was so cheap last summer was due to a clause in his contract, otherwise he'd have been a 50m player last summer.
He's young, homegrown, and English to boot. I can see why he went for how much he did this summer. He's certainly worth more than what Chelsea paid for him, even with his poor season last time out.
16.) 28 Aug 2026 23:28:36
But what do you put the rest of it down to, Shappy? It's just farcical how we don't get good value, and to be fair it goes back to Fergie's days. Madrid couldn't believe how cheap we were, happy to sell Beckham for.
Stam was sold for peanuts, so were Ince and Hughes, and also van Nistelrooy. We just seek to cause our own headaches when players become unwanted.
17.) 30 Aug 2026 11:06:53
Captain, from our perspective we tend to buy players on the way up or at their peak. Which tends to mean we spend large fees and we pay big wages.
Whereas, we typically sell players when they are on the way down, or when they've fallen out with the club/manager.
Buying and selling football players is heavily impacted by perspective and opinion. While they also have factor in the total cost and the potential reward/value of the deal.
Signing a player who is potentially on a downward trajectory, and will cost a lot in terms of wages is a bigger risk, to offset that risk you can't be paying big transfer fees as well.
As a club we have also had a tendency (more so over the last decade) of holding on to players for too long hoping they will come good. One of the things I really liked about Omar Barrada when he was first linked to the CEO role was one of his quotes from his time at City. Where he basically says that new signings should be given no more than two seasons to prove themselves. One year to settle, but if you aren't doing what the club want/expect in your second season then it's time for the club to move you on before you lose too much value; while also opening up space in the squad for the club to bring in a new player who will offer more on the pitch.
Clubs like Chelsea are an anomaly compared to other clubs of a similar size. They have a transfer model that includes buying up a lot of high potential young players, keeping some at the club who could provide value that season and loaning out the others to continue their development. They also tend to sign these players at the 10-30m price bracket. Then the ones that fill a need at the club are kept, and the others are sold. It's a fairly unique strategy, which so far has had mixed success in terms of money made, and even less success on the pitch.
If you look at the majority of the players we have sold, we have sold them because we wanted them gone. Whether that is Ince, Beckham or Stam who had all rubbed up Sir Alex the wrong way, or RvN who the club felt was likely to start to decline and he had fallen out with Ronaldo.
Speaking of which, we didn't want to sell Ronaldo and he went for 80m. Which proves the point.
All that said, I'm not entirely sure that all of the deals we are seeing currently are 100% genuine. I feel like there are some shady under the table agreements in place to help clubs manipulate their club finances to circumvent all the new FFP type rules.
I think their was some questions raised when Newcastle sold Elliott Anderson to Nottingham Forest for what seemed like an inflated fee at the time given his age and experience, while Newcastle also paid a similarly high fee for Vlachodimos as a back up keeper. I think the idea was that Anderson's high fee would count entirely as profit, while the fee paid for Vlachodimos would be spread over several years. Or something like that anyway.
So there does seem to be some odd business happening, and some questionable fees being paid.
That said there is also an element of the EPL clubs becoming much wealthier than most European clubs, and as such the EPL market is becoming inflated. Clubs from the continent are charging more because they know EPL clubs have more money, which increases the risk of signing non-EPL proven players, leading to clubs preferring to make key signings from within the EPL, but of course those players fees are increasing because those EPL clubs have less need to sell than their European counterparts.
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03 Nov 2026 23:15:43
Have said before I want to see Lacy getting more opportunities, his cameo tonight was impressive.
The ball to Cunha for third goal was excellent and shows the difference between him and Amad in terms of creativity at the business end. He needs to be playing more.
Thought Yoro was again our best defender, not much competition I know, but despite not playing his proper position he has applied himself well over recent times.
I still think Heaven has a good future, but he must stop being rash and lunging into tackles.
The difference second half was passion, commitment and pace. These have to be fundamental basic qualities and not optional extras.
Such a shame for Baleba, does not look good, could be out for a while.
Was good to get the blood pumping second half again, it was enjoyable to watch.
1.) 04 Nov 2026 11:07:17
I agree I want to see more of Lacey, he's clearly a super talented lad, but more than that you can see that he really wants to play for the team, and that kind of enthusiasm is infectious.
Amad I think is having a tougher run of form right now, but he's still got so much ability. Over the previous two seasons only Bruno was creating more chances per 90 minutes than Amad. He will be fine, I think the injuries, disruption to pre-season and the poor form of the rest of the team are having an impact on his current form.
The real challenge will come once Sesko (or another striker is signed) returns and Mbeumo is moved back to the right. Giving us Mbeumo, Amad and Lacey all fighting it out for one starting spot. Unbelievable depth.
Cunha's fighting spirit and passion are things that will make him a fan favourite. It's great to see and we need a couple more players with that sort of attitude. Again it can be infectious to the other players around them.
Yoro has been surprisingly good at RB, and I think he should get an extended run there. It's a good position for him to gain experience in with less pressure than you get at CB. In the past we've seen players like Wes Brown and John O'Shea get game time when they were less experienced in the fullback positions to great effect.
Heaven desperately need more experience around him, he's got talent and the ability, but he just makes the errors of youth and inexperience. Having someone alongside him who can talk him though the game and reduce those errors is needed. I wonder if we can get MdL back fully fit whether he'd work well alongside Heaven.
I really feel for Baleba, such an unfortunate injury. I hope he gets the chance to fully recover, and we don't rush him back. Hamstrings can be tricky things, and a second tear could put him out for quite a while. One of the often not discussed things around injuries is how the body often tries to compensate for an injury or issue in one part of the body; Which can then cause greater tension or stress in another part of the body, increasing the risk of injury in that area. This is obviously a bigger issue for professional sportsmen as they tend to push their bodies to the limit, which increases the chance of injuries if their body is compensating an injury elsewhere.
I thought having Mainoo back also made a big difference, he was clearly a little rusty in the first half, but he is by far our best midfielder so far this season.
While we have been all doom and gloom on here recently, and rightly so given the performances and results. There are actually quite a few promising players within this group of players.
Players like Lammens, Yoro, Heaven, Dorgu, Mainoo, Baleba, Amad, Cunha, Mbeumo, Sesko and Lacey have all shown real quality and potential. I also think Andrey Santos has been okay so far, with a few bright moments. I think he will turn out to be a good signing in time.
The problem is that we still have too many players who have over time shown themselves to either not be good enough, or lack the mental fortitude to perform when things get tough.
Players like Maguire, Shaw, Dalot, and Mount have consistently underperformed. While the likes of Rashford, Bruno and Martinez have at times performed well (amazingly in Bruno's case), but have shown they maybe lack the mentality when the chips are down. We also still have the likes of Bayindir, Onana, Mazraoui, Ugarte, and Zirkzee still part of the first team squad, all of which need to be moved on as they aren't good enough.
That's 11/12 players who are potentially good enough (most still very young and developing), and 12 players we need to move on as they aren't good enough or lack the right attitude.
When you consider that most of the more senior/stronger characters in the dressing room are in the latter group that needs to be moved on, while the former group is mostly younger, more impressionable, and easier led players; you can see why it's so challenging for a manager to get a consistent tune out of this squad.
You're left in a situation where you either don't play the players that need to be moved on, which will upset the apple cart and they probably bring the mood and performances down for the whole squad. Or you play them to keep the squad harmony, but they have consistently proven they aren't good enough, meaning you fall short of where you need to be. As well as not developing the ones who might actually have a future at the club.
This is a problem that cannot be solved by the manager, and can only be solved by those above him, by moving on those that need to be weeded out and bringing in more suitable replacements.
2.) 04 Nov 2026 12:51:49
It i'd time to sell Amad. He is often injured and is quite an inconsistent. With him being at the club for over 5.5 years, he would be classed a pure profit.
Lacey looks livelier, hungrier and more determined than Amad. The question is, does Carrick have the balls to drop him.
31 Oct 2026 22:39:18
Change of tack, to continue the saga of young boy Rooney.
U18s away at Blackburn today, they scored first! Then guess who equalises, yes boy Rooney scores again (it's getting to be a habit for him).
He then goes all daddy Rooney and get's a second yellow card, off he trots and we are down to 10 player's. Sound familiar? Anyway some are made of sterner stuff and we proceeded to score 3 more goal's and win the game 1-4.
I mentioned Camacho previously, he scored another 2. So there we are, thing's can be done.
Be on the lookout for the next exciting chapter of the life and times of an ordinary young lad, in the not to distant future.
1.) 31 Oct 2026 23:01:58
These lads will rip up the championship next season.
27 Oct 2026 16:33:16
Well, well, I posted on Saturday about the U18s beating Liverpool 6-3 and the performance of young Rooney and also Camacho scoring 4.
We have this afternoon we played Burnley (decent side, don't confuse with their first team) and we beat them 6-0. Camacho scored again and hit the post.
However, boy Rooney did the business again, as he scored 4 of the goals. 1 right foot, 2 left foot and 1 header, (despite being pretty short). He seems to have the tools required.
Mind you a bit of perspective is the fact that daddy Rooney, at the same age, made his first team debut and scored that screamer for Everton against Arsenal. It's easy to forget how good he was!
1.) 27 Oct 2026 17:15:22
Rooney was unreal, fantastic player. Could never understand why people thought he didn't reach his potential.
2.) 27 Oct 2026 23:09:01
I hope Kai does well but let's not burden him with unnecessary Wayne comparisons.
3.) 27 Oct 2026 23:29:08
That was exactly the point Salford.
4.) 28 Oct 2026 18:49:20
Dodgy. Wayne was a fabulous player but if I recall correctly even he admitted that he could have been more professional and reached an higher level. Had he been as dedicated to training and diet etc like Ronaldo it would surely have helped him. All that said so wish we had a prime Rooney playing for us now.
24 Oct 2026 20:47:16
A little ray of light amongst the gloom. The U18s played Liverpool earlier today and we beat them 6-3.
A 16 year old playing at centre forward absolutely worked his socks off and pressed relentlessly. Although he did not score, he put one on a plate for a teammate. A strong looking lad, young Kai Rooney seems to have inherited some of selfless attitude of his father. He certainly will not be looking to be released!
We have a young Spanish lad, an attacking midfielder (can also play at right back) just a few days ago turned 17, by the name of Jaume Camacho. He scored 4 of the goals against Liverpool, remember the name, an exciting prospect.
1.) 25 Oct 2026 08:35:10
I just watched the highlights on YouTube IWOTB and have to agree on Camacho, scored with both feet and also hit the bar with a right foot curler from outside the box. Looks a good prospect.
21 Oct 2026 16:51:28
Well, De Ligt play's tonight, can not see him playing 90 mins so fully expect Dan Armer to make his debut at some point.
He's a 19 yr old, 6' 4'' centre back, promising player with some physicality about him.
In total 7 Academy players on the bench, hope Shea Lacey get's an opportunity. He has been putting in some good performances.
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31 Oct 2026 17:07:17
Yes Redcon, quite right.
I think Martinez has checked out and sees himself at Barcelona next summer. let's see if a deal can be done with Barca in January with maybe one of their player's who is likely to leave, perhaps Balde or a midfielder.
Think Leny Yoro should be playing Centre Back, he has been decent of late and deserves to play his proper position. Whilst he is not electric, he has decent pace and we need to get some in the centre of defence.
04 Sep 2026 21:37:02
I think it is precisely that. The realisation that they are not going to reach the hoped for level has instigated a significant clear out.
I agree about the physicality. Indeed, watching the recent FA Youth Cup final against City, I thought that exact same thing. We were very much secondary in that respect.
I also think the same when we play Chelsea, both U18s and U21s. They are successful both on the pitch and also when it comes to the selling of players to raise funds. Their players all seem to be that much bigger.
City and Chelsea are clearly the front runners when it comes to obtaining significant fees for their academy players.
Remember that many of them have had a fair amount of first team opportunity. It would be interesting to see how much Chelsea have actually raised over the last 10 years.
Also needs to be remembered that Jason Wilcox is widely recognised as playing a significant role in building City's academy.
It is pleasing that changes have already started, with all the new youth signings of the last 18mths or so, and this clearing the decks should further augment the hoped for renewal.
Time will tell!
28 Jul 2026 16:41:16
I'm not sure we are selling him. The £6m figure quoted is what clubs believe he would be available for. Don't think we have received any bids yet!
Would be a shame as there was high expectation for him. The problem has never been ability, but physicality.
He was a big part of why Alvaro Carreras was sold.
Still, things do not always go to plan. Might be best for all parties if we get the right offer for us and him. As Ken says, make sure we have a good sell on clause, buy back and matching rights.
23 Jul 2026 17:20:58
Ports, sorry, yeh my bad. Wrong info.
23 Jul 2026 14:17:33
We have not signed Cassim and Eze yet. We are hoping to do so, but it is yet to happen.
As for Orozco, I posted last week that he had signed. The intention with him is to play him in the U21s and watch how he adapts. A decision will then be made as to possibly sending him on loan.
There is clear intent from the club to continue investing in the academy, and, obviously, a couple of major successes now could potentially save many millions given how transfer fees are going.
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31 Oct 2026 20:25:14
Get real! There is no way they will sell for rock bottom money.
It seems they are looking at a sale but only if a premium price can be obtained, the City punishment will be a part of this decision, along with the building of a new stadium.
Remember it is costing them nothing to retain ownership, apart from reduced or no dividends.
What makes you think they would walk away in the event of relegation?
Be careful what you wish for, I have seen it before in '74, it would not be the panacea you assume.
In any event there is no way the season will go without an even short run of form sufficient to banish the spectre of the 'R' word.
31 Oct 2026 13:35:17
Absolutely, impressive performance but Amad should have scored 2, it concerns me missing so many clear opportunities.
27 Oct 2026 23:29:08
That was exactly the point Salford.
27 Oct 2026 23:27:24
Very, very, good Stevie, I wonder who will understand.
27 Oct 2026 19:58:51
Well JBR, some do.