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19 Oct 2023 13:04:37
I was reading today that Sancho has been "put up for sale". I was wondering if any of the Eds could clarify how such a thing occurs. Does a club actually create a list of those players they are looking to sell. Obviously I'd expect there to be a list of players whose contracts are expiring, but, is there a formal process that clubs undertake. I'd always assumed what happened is that the club tells the agent of the player that they should start looking for a new club and that clubs learn of availability that way, but that seems like a really poor way to do things.
{Ed002's Note - They will inform his agent or place an ad in the Manchester Evening News "Donkeys for Sale Call ...".}
1.) 19 Oct 2023 17:16:12
We'll be lucky if we get any interest at the sale cost and his salary cost. Another sterling piece of business coming back to bite us
Presumably also Ed he would be entitled to a considerable payout from us as he has not requested this transfer?
It will end up costing us money to get rid of him.
2.) 19 Oct 2023 18:21:56
We're not very good at selling, I imagine he'll go on loan for the remainder of the season and he'll spend that on his best behaviour to secure a move unless it's a commitment to buy.
3.) 20 Oct 2023 08:53:26
Strong rumours that Nice are going to be putting in a £100 million bid in!
4.) 19 Oct 2023 16:37:33
Bit harsh on the donkeys ed, they turn up everyday on time and ready to work at Blackpool beach.
5.) 19 Oct 2023 17:00:06
It’s where we buy ours players from too Ed.
6.) 21 Oct 2023 20:58:16
Going by Amrabat performance and most of the team, does Manchester evening news have a lost and found section, because can’t believe we actually spent money on this shower!
7.) 22 Oct 2023 19:50:48
Amrabat is on loan and has started pretty well considering he had to play some games at left back
to begin with.
8.) 25 Oct 2023 07:55:20
Oh yeah GDS. Arambat was so great again tonight he only lasted 44 mins, even the ref had enough by then!
He is far too slow and ponderous just 5 yard passes back and forth, just not at the level required but then of the new acquisitions who is! But your happy with mid table I forgot.
9.) 25 Oct 2023 15:00:47
The problem is fitting in Eriksen who can only do half a game. He has made an impact every times he's come in on this way all season. Amrabat was the one to give way, no biggie.
More interested in what we'll go with on Sunday, but you can bet your bottom dollar Eriksen wil come on anytime after half time. Hopefully we'll still be in it at that point.
10.) 26 Oct 2023 11:16:38
No wonder Sancho fired back so would i if my boss slated me in public how bad is Sancho when Antony 1 of the worst players iv seen at UTD plays ahead of him mind boggling you spent 160 mill on that pair no wonder youve the ffp at the door. The Glazers get slated but boy do they spend money just on some terrible players who spots them stevie wonder.
11.) 28 Oct 2023 00:57:29
I'll start the bidding at £3.50.
04 Dec 2018 16:54:34
Ed002 if you're not doing a sharkopod then can I ask if there looks to be several ins-and-outs (2 or 3, say) this winter. I know it's usually not a time for major movements but there are serious leaks to plug - mainly in central defence and midfield - that left alone could leave us well out of the top 6, nevermind top 4 very soon.
{Ed002's Note - I really don'tr want to get involved too much on this page for a while. Too much grief.}
1.) 04 Dec 2018 23:38:31
Ed 02
Sorry to see your voice of insight and sanity disappear yet again.
I understand and respect your decision but am disappointed - not in you but in the fact you will be greatly missed.
I will say thanks and Au revoir in the hope you will return.
2.) 05 Dec 2018 00:02:13
Ed will return just let the situation with Mourinho clear up.
14 Apr 2016 12:30:51
Ed001, I saw you mentioning that we're looking at loads of players and that centre backs are being prioritised along with a marquee/ vanity signing. Which positions do you think we should be looking at.
From my perspective, I think there are lots of deadwood in the squad but for the first team picture we could have
de Gea/ suitable replacement; Fosu-Mensah, Smalling, New Signing 1, Shaw; New Signing 2, Schneiderlin/ Herrera; New Signing 3, Mata/ Herrera, Martial; New Signing 4
with Romero, CBJ, Darmian, Varela, Blind, Pereira, Lingard, Rashford being the key squad players to rotate in and out to this side. Most of the rest of the squad could be sold to fund the new signings. Is there any solid rumours on which players are being moved on?
{Ed001's Note - thinking about it, I have not heard anything regarding outs, other than De Gea. I will have to ask, as there must be at least one or two on the move, other than him.}
1.) 15 Apr 2016 01:02:40
Ed001 is de gea off from what you hear? I think we need to keep him. how many other keepers make the saves as consistently as save? He's our best player week in week out we need to build a decent defence for him.
{Ed001's Note - it is the most likely scenario. Not 100%, well nothing is, but they are not expected to make a mere token gesture this summer.}
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29 Jun 2024 22:26:23
It's going to be interesting to see if Chelsea, Aston Villa and others get punished for these swap deals. Little doubt the fees are inflated. As I understand it the EPL wrote to the 20 clubs to explain this type of deal wasn't allowed. Chelsea have already taken advantage of some loopholes in their abnormally long contract amortisation (being closed thankfully) but they may have stretched it too far this time.
1.) 29 Jun 2024 22:49:57
‘Acting in good faith’ is supposedly what’s being looked at.
I’ve never heard anything so open to interpretation.
2.) 30 Jun 2024 00:29:12
Not sure how Chelsea have inflated any fees. Maatsen had a £35m clause in his contract that only BD could activate as part of the loan deal. Burnley offered £30-32m last summer which Chelsea had accepted but Maatsen turned down. An extra £5-7.5m given he’s had a year more experience + his performances in the CL at Dortmund make the £37.5m fee seem reasonable.
If talking about the Kellyman deal, Chelsea paid Aston Villa £20m for Carney Chukwemeka 2 years ago and he had a similar amount of PL experience. Given the way transfer fees have risen even over the last 2 years, it would be a struggle to prove it was artificially inflated.
3.) 30 Jun 2024 08:24:45
Fsuser I wasn't aware of that Burnley bid. My only recollection of that was a bid in the 15-20M range. This fee puts Maasten in the top few fees ever paid by Villa. The Kellyman fee at 17M for a player with so little experience can also be explained at a stretch but both fees sit at the extreme upper ends for what could be expected for these players. What seems fair is the difference in value between the two players. Ultimately I expect you are right and they'll escape sanction.
4.) 30 Jun 2024 09:00:40
It's just a way of getting funds in before the end of the season. A sale registers into the accounts straight away, whereas a purchase can be spread across the length of the contract.
5.) 30 Jun 2024 11:30:05
At worst they've exploited a loophole, immoral maybe, but they haven't broken any rules. As such they can't be punished for it.
The authorities might look to try and close the loophole for next year if possible. But they can't back date sanctions for those who used it prior to it being closed.
We just need to tip our hat to them, well played. But let's keep the focus on our own lane and not what others are doing.
6.) 30 Jun 2024 13:05:12
Exploiting a loophole isn't something I'm inclined to tip my hat towards. We've a bunch to do this year but having teams like Chelsea try exploit gaps in the law and go outside their intent makes the whole effort unequal and I think that's a clear concern for everyone.
7.) 30 Jun 2024 13:08:04
--------------Move on from finances---------------
{Ed002's Note -The PL did not write to "the 20 clubs to explain this type of deal wasn't allowed". There have been no "loopholes" exploited by Chelsea. You need to stop with all of these posts sharing misinformation.}
8.) 30 Jun 2024 14:38:38
DonRed, I fail to see how both are at their extreme upper ends of what’s to be expected. A quick google search shows that Burnley (a promoted team) had a bid of £31.5m accepted last summer. The fact that BD accepted a £35m clause in the loan sets his value for this summer. On top of all that Home Grown players always have a premium on them. United paid £30m for an 18 year old Luke Shaw 10 years ago. Given the way transfer fees have gone over the last 10 years, if you were to be buying a 18 y/ o LS today he’d probably cost £50-60m. In fact United paid £50m for AWB 5 years ago. So if taken into context, a 22 y/ o HG LB for less than £40m is actually quite a fair deal.
Again when Chelsea paid £20m for Carney 2 years ago there was no one crying foul and saying they were manipulating the market. And Chelsea actually enquired about buying Kellyman at the same time as they bought Carney, so their interest in him has been long term.
What does the difference in values between Maatsen and Kellyman have to do with anything? If United buy Branthwaite for £60m and sell Everton either AWB or Lindelof for £15m should they be investigated? Not sure what’s being clutched more; straws or your pearls.
9.) 30 Jun 2024 20:44:05
United are probably the worst for overpaying, perhaps rather than being useless we spent the last decade helping out teams in trouble, footballs good Samaritan, it would explain our plethora of crap choices anyway.
10.) 30 Jun 2024 20:07:55
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11.) 30 Jun 2024 20:11:15
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20 May 2025 12:23:13
Hojlund has played himself out of the team by that performance against Chelsea. Or at least if there is any alternative to him then I believe he's out. So if Zirkzee is fit, then Zirkzee starts up top.
15 May 2025 21:56:05
Yeah I think we need a wingback too. Vanderson of Monaco also linked recently who looks a good player.
15 May 2025 11:51:31
Ineos wanted those drag-along rights as far as I know as they get first-refusal. If the Glazers accept an offer and Ineos match it then it goes to Ineos. It's a fairly mutually beneficial arrangement, rather than what's being depicted right now as being much more in the Glazers favour.
28 Apr 2025 20:21:05
No point in getting a finisher if there's nothing to finish. We clearly need both a no. 10 and a no. 9 but the decision making in attack is the biggest problem imo. In the dream world that we get Cunha and Gyorkeres then with Amad and Bruno, we'd have a really top level forward line. Lots of ifs and buts in that, and we'd also probably want a CM and a GK to be truly competitive but I'm an optimistic at heart!
23 Apr 2025 07:44:45
Cunha is a serious upgrade on what we have and he plays in the RA system already. Not sure what others define as world beater but he's the best player in the most in form team in the league, and consistently performs for them against the top sides.
22 May 2025 20:49:24
Far from it. He's self assured. He has taken decisions such as loaning out Rashford and Antony without replacement to build for next year. The squad he took on is woefully constructed and struggled for goals before loaning out two forwards. He needs to be backed. There is no point in changing again, especially when he's playing with only half a deck.
13 May 2025 10:40:12
RA has been giving clear messages all year. I think he was genuinely shocked at how poorly constructed the squad is. I mean we don't have a single forward of note. Only Amad and Bruno would count but they play a lot on the wing and CM. I think it's to his credit that he has persisted in the interests of best preparing the players for next season. But there's no doubt he needs a CM and at least two forwards - and that each of them needs to be quality players. While others criticize xG and other metrics I should point out that our base line performance last year was similar to this. We got lucky last minute goals last year that we didn't this year, but more importantly we are improving on all but results. Those generally do end up aligning.
13 May 2025 08:46:46
You're just wrong Keefy. As someone who actually works with it, I can categorically state that. Apart from what I said earlier, xG also proves a more useful metric (with slight modifications) to predict future performance than goals output. Just thrashing it when the clubs that embraced it earlier like Brentford, Brighton and the likes are using it systematically and punching far above their weight is just plain silly. It is a major reason that clubs like United have struggled in recent years. If you actually paid attention you'd realize that behind the scenes a revamp of our data science department is happening exactly because of this.
12 May 2025 14:00:12
Sorry to criticise you Keefy but the only people who say xG is a rubbish statistic are those who don't understand how to apply it. It is an extremely useful and insightful one when viewing about games in retrospect. E. g. Garnacho has a reasonable xG but his goals output is far below his xG. This says he is good at getting into the right positions but really bad at converting those changes. It can give insights into which types of shots he should be working on etc.
11 May 2025 22:08:46
I honestly don't understand some people. Do you really think a coach can come in mid-season and turn around years of mis-management and poor recruitment. We've a horribly constructed squad that only could play counter attack and without any control. If Amorim just went with that approach then results this year would've been better, but what is the point in getting 7th or 8th. He's building for next year. He also had numerous forwards loaned out that would've been starters in order to build for the future. Not to mention McT being sold without those goals being replaced. If you look at lots of performance metrics we are actually getting better. We're just not taking our chances.