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23 Apr 2014 14:14:57
According to Jamie Jackson from The Guardian ( pretty much the most reliable newspaper out there ), we have pretty much agreed to sign Luke Shaw. Pretty good coup imo, got to thank Moyes for that one.

Ed002, heard anything new on the subject?


{Ed002's Note - There is no agreement on price with Southampton.}

1.) Short lived happiness. Cheers Ed. Do you reckon our interest in Shaw remains until a new manager is announced or are some of the targets pretty much close to signing and the transfers will not all be put on hold?

{Ed002's Note - See previous answers.}

2.) Mick, there are several sources saying the Shaw deal is very close, that MU believe it's pretty much done. I think what that means is MU have convinced Shaw himself to join and they are just a few million away from negotiating the deal for him. So not done yet, but probably will be done soon. Would be a great signing. I always thought he was Chelsea bound. The Ed told us about Chelsea looking elsewhere, but I thought they may make a last ditch attempt to sign him when we have agreed a fee with Southampton.

{Ed002's Note - They are actively discussing a move for another player Syd. Southampton know Chelsea will not pay the price they want.}

3.) Best possible player we could sign to replace Evra IMO.

4.) I think getting a salary of 100k a week is the main reason he's coming.

5.) Thanks Ed, Moreno is just as good IMO and much cheaper than Shaw. I think MU know they need a few more English players to add to Rooney and Jones. We have always liked our young English players.

6.) No quotes, Jamie Jackson references and sources from articles previously written by him. No real credibility in the article at all. It's no different from people on here who say 'trust me - watch this space'. All of his articles are the same. I wouldn't give this too much thought, let's just wait and see with Shaw, all these rubbish endless rumours are driving me insane.

7.) Cheers Ed

8.) In the past couple of months has Luke Shaw took to Twitter to deny any of the rumours of him leaving? Has he told any of the Southampton Tweeters that he is staying when they have begged him for an answer? NO! If Shaw doesn't leave Southampton then it's because the clubs cannot agree a fee. I think it's obvious that he wants to leave Southampton. Shaw is a Portsmouth fan, his whole family are Portsmouth fans. I don't think he has any real allegiance to Southampton in the long run. I hope MU and Southampton can agree a fee.

9.) Moreno is also a very good young player, would be my second choice but Shaw is slightly younger yet he's already more physically developed and the fact he's proven in PL just tops it off for me.

{Ed002's Note - Moreno's representatives are in talks about a move elsewhere.}

10.) I think you will find Shaw has said SEVERAL times that he is happy to stay at Saints, and is now fed up trying to quell idle gossip because the media just twist it.
There is no logical reason for him to consider a move now as his options will increase as and when he goes to Brazil. Why would he join Utd until the manager is known and the squad for next season has some certainty?

As for a fee, any figure indicated in January is now long out of date-new Board at Saints and full international status now.

We have seen the same sort of ill informed excitement from Chelsea fans and I feel you both will be disappointed.

11.) Funny I heard exactly the opposite i.e. that Man U and Southampton had agreed a fee but Shaw had yet to agree ( This from the guy who told me about Thiago well before the media picked up on it last year).

12.) Sydney, no offence but where on earth are you getting your information? Perhaps you're thinking of James Ward-Prowse? Shaw is most definitely not a Portsmouth fan and neither are his family. And a guy in the Saints academy since he was 8 - I imagine he has quite some allegiance to them. I don't think this transfer is as cut and run as some people seem to think. It's far from sorted and it's definitely not guaranteed to happen. I'm more inclined to think he'll still be at Southampton next season. Very few of the articles about his transfer have any real credibility and are largely just self perpetuating. Southampton fans will remember that last year this EXACT same situation happened with Chelsea. Until it's on the Official Site or the BBC, or there is a credible recordable source to back up a claim, I won't pay any attention to a word of it.

13.) Wow, . 27~30 million pounds for a twenty year-old left back.
What I know for sure is: left-backs are rare and english and good, even more rare.
But, is he in the same level as Ashley Cole?

14.) Who said it was guaranteed to happen?

It could be Ward-Prowse that I am thinking of. Although I am quite sure a commentator has said that Shaw's family are Pompey fans. Shaw is actually a Chelsea fan. Of course he has allegiance to Southampton, but like Walcott, AOC, Bale etc, they all left for a bigger team. He is not going to be there for ever and one thing for sure is that MU and Southampton are trying to negotiate a fee. It may not be agreed, but they are trying and they wouldn't be trying unless Shaw has agreed to join MU in principle.

15.) MikonBR, he's actually 18 which makes it more crazy, but you are paying for potential. Not only that, he is probably the best LB in th EPL at the moment anyway and will get much better. Maybe Dave from Chelsea or Baines from Everton are ahead of him, but he isn't far off at 18 years old.

16.) Is Shaw not a life long Chelsea fan? His family live next to the the Chelsea training ground (not that means much)

17.) Not being rude guys, but suggest DYOR is something for you to consider! There is so much false information on this one subject by you that it is obvious how the media conclude they can feed you with nonsense and you will lap it up.

Simple equation: more Utd supporters than any other club in EPL, so ANYTHING that could be of interest sells more papers!

NOTHING will be decided re. Saints Ins or Outs until the Saints managers contract is agreed and that will not happen until after the end of the season.

18.) St Martin, talks have been taking place already. That is NOT paper talk. There is still no fee agreed as of yesterday or the day before according to the editor, but there have been discussions between the clubs.

As a Saints fan, who would you like to see the money from Lallana & Shaw spent on? It will probably be upwards of £50m. Gaston Ramires and that Italian striker will probably fetch £15m-£20m. What would you like to see done to the squad?

19.) St Martin, the manager is powerless to prevent a player moving. If a buying club offers enough money the owners and board will decide to sell regardless of the manager.

20.) Hi Sydney. Your information in this one section has been shown to be incorrect. Talks may have taken place between the clubs simply because most players have a clause in their contracts that if an offer above a certain figure is made then this has to be passed to the player and discussions can then follow. Suspect this has happened and Shaws agent and maybe Shaw have not turned anything down until they know about MPs situation for next season. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT TO WHAT ROONEY AND RVP WILL DO UNTIL THE MANAGEMENT AT UTD IS SORTED.

Saints Board, manager and Shaw have clearly stated Shaw and the other players key to next season will stay. If MP leaves of course this could all change, but the media speculation is jumping the gun.

Yes, we will move on some players who are not able to fit in and will raise about £20m from that, but those players do not include our current crop of youngsters. Because we have a number of other youngsters to bring into the first team squad next season we will probably not spend more than £30m in the summer. Such an outlay can easily be met without selling Shaw.

Seriously, watch the situation regarding our manager. If he agrees a new contract then Shaw will stay IMO.

{Ed002's Note - Southampton quoted Chelsea a figure in January that was well beyond what Chelsea would look to pay. Manchester United have spoken with Southampton but there is no agreement on price at all.}

21.) St Martin, I just don't see MU and other clubs bothering to negotiate a deal with Southampton unless they have gotten the green light by Shaw via his representatives. It would be pointless. Especially when MU will be very busy between now and September 1st. Has Shaw even once come out and said these stories are untrue? IMHO I think Shaw has agreed in principle to join MU subject to Southampton and MU agreeing a fee. Will it happen? I'm not sure, the fee is excessive, but it hasn't scared MU away like it usually would. I think it may well just happen. If Shaw stays then I guess MU like Chelsea wouldn't agree to pay what Southampton want.



15 Feb 2014 20:05:57
Ed002, with the current rebuilding mission Moyes is on, he might be tempted into building the team up from scratch in the coming windows. Do you see us losing one of Rooney and Van Persie this summer, or even both? And if so, who might we target to replace them?Hoping for Cavani and Draxler, though it's pretty unlikely if we cannot offer champions league footy.


{Ed002's Note - It'll be three windows and right now the expectation is that Rooney and RvP will stay unless a new contract is not signed by Rooney or RvP asks to leave. There have been offers and enquiries for Draxler. Both Milan clubs, Manchester City, Real Madrid, Arsenal and Chelsea have enquired at one level or another about Draxler - each has met a "not for sale" barrier. I expect he will move in the summer and Arsenal remains the most likely destination. Cavani's representatives have approached an English club (not MU) to see what options might be available in the summer if the issue he has in Paris cannot be resolved. Others might also be interested in him such as Manchester City if they were to lose Aguero to Real Madrid or Real Madrid if they cannot land Aguero or Suarez.}

1.) Only one to go then as this is Davy's 3rd in charge?



11 Feb 2014 12:37:59
Rumour going around that Davide Petrucci is set to sign for Cluj on loan for the rest of the season.

Would be a great move for him imo, playing for a relatively big team challenging for a European spot.

Eds, any news on the matter?




22 Jan 2014 16:59:14
Ed002, I know people have probably been riding you with questions of the Mata, Dante and co rumours, and I apologize for that, but MEN are reporting that Zaha is on his way for a medical in Cardiff.

I don't know how reliable MEN is, but your input would be greatly appreciated


{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what MEN is but a loan is on the cards.}

1.) MEN claim to be in the know being in Manchester. But the standard of journalism is akin to The Sun

2.) 22 Jan 2014 17:38:57
Manchester Evening News ed



21 Jan 2014 16:49:31
Fabio is apparently on his way to Freiburg on loan for the rest of the season, according to The Guardian. Pretty reliable imo.


1.) I don't get why we'd loan him out with his contract expiring at the end of the season. Wouldn't it make more sense to just release him from his contract?




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31 Jul 2017 12:10:18
Imo the Fellaini bashing is getting real old. I'm pretty sure with every change of manager, every season, we thought that Fellaini would become surplus to recquirements.
First off we judged Moyes for buying him, decided as a group Fellaini is not, nor will he ever be good enough, and assumed the only reason he got in the team is because Moyes is useless.

Then came Van Gaal, one of the pioneers of posession football. He was building the tiki taka before pep had a driver's liscence. What is the first thing we thought? Fellaini has no use in that system and he will be sold. Yet the man manages to crawl his way back into the starting lineup, and become trusted by the one of the most notorious " technicomaniacs " the game has seen.

Then comes a genuine top of the line world class manager, and he also finds use for Fellaini, clearly trusts him in the biggest games and has no interest in selling him no matter who we manage to buy.

Now there are some questions that need answering.
1- why aren't any other big teams in for him?
Well he is not world class, he is a squad player and is not at the level recquired to nail down a starting position at a top club. The managers don't want to sell him, that much is obvious, and he is on relatively high wages.
2- isn't he the opposite of what we are trying to achieve in terms of playing style?
No, not i'm my opinion. Fellaini isn't here to be a starter ahead of more technical players. He is here to bring a plan b when said technical players get bullied and are completely marked out of a game.
3- does he even have a position?
Yes, he is usually given a free role for reasons that will be listed shortly.
4- why can't managers see that he is not good enough to be a starter for us?
They do, which is why he is not a starter for us.

Now to think things through, either 3 successive managers are completely blind to his total " uselessness " or maybe most fans can't notice the subtelty of the reasons why he is played.

Fellaini, as has been said previously, is not a starter. He is a plan B to bring on when things aren't going to plan, or against teams where our usual plan would get us murdered. He does not have a stable position, he is there to bring havoc. Keep the teams capable of dominating us something different to think about, stop them from gathering momentum with constant fouling and such in defense, and completely bypass superior midfields with long balls and break all hell loose in their final third. that's fellaini's role within the team.
Now to be clear, the better our midfield gets, and the less teams are able to dominate us whether through sheer strength or through superior technique, the less Fellaini will have a role to play, the less we need to resort to plan B.

But i honestly can't understand how some people can watch us for 4 years straight, and still come up with " Fellaini is useless and brings nothing to the team ". He does, which is why he is still here, and why he is still picked by manager after manager.

In all honesty, I think Fellaini is not a " fashionable " player, and will always be on the recieving end of critisism, not to say " hateful treatment ". Whether it is his looks or his playing style, fans love to hate on Fellaini and it even reached very embarrasing proportions when he was booed during a game. Our fans can really be a spoilt bunch, giving a Real Madrid like treatment to one of our players, because we don't like him for one reason or another. There are times when its frankly embarrasing.

That is before even mentioning that Fellaini has never stepped out of line, never replied to the VERY unjust critisism he recieves from fans of the club he plays for, always puts his head down and works hard for the team and the manager, which is why he is a very popular figure at the club, and a model professional. Quickly becoming one of my favourite players and one of the few who truly appreciate what it means to be a united player, and will keep fighting for us despite being disrespected and underappreciated. Top bloke imo.


1.) 31 Jul 2017 12:38:15
very good post Mick1. Very fair analysis.

2.) 31 Jul 2017 12:48:32
Thats the best post of the year, Mick. Keep in mind we have had several from Shappy, but still this tops it. Absolutely agree with everything. The lad deserves respect if nothing else.

3.) 31 Jul 2017 12:49:52
Good post. We need a plan b or we turn into aresnal.

4.) 31 Jul 2017 12:57:28
Dont disagree with most of what you say but uniteds plan B/ C should be to bring on a hernandez/ solskjaer to finish a team off or a tricky if not frustrating nani type to hopefully do something special or a tenacious tevez type to hound and force a mistake. Fellaini should be plan D when you're in dispair and to be honest i would rather giver tfm 10 games this season than keep fellaini for plan d. Just my opinion of course. Would never boo a player that's pathetic and just not helpful for anyone. Nothing wrong with criticism of players or are we to stop praising them aswell?

5.) 31 Jul 2017 13:00:22
Well said Mick. I wish him all the best of luck for what's looking likely to be a move to Galatasary.

6.) 31 Jul 2017 13:21:22
I like the guy himself and I don't think anyone an deny that he always gives 100% effort but I don't think he is a very good footballer, his first touch is not good unless it is on his chest. His passing is pedestrian and not the most accurate and he can be terribly clumsy when making challenges all across the park. I don't mind having a plan B but there are big strong players out there that are better footballers in my opinion, I wish him all the best for his future though.

7.) 31 Jul 2017 14:09:11
He is rubbish with a touch like a cart horse and goes around elbowing anybody that gets in his way. That is not the kind of football taught by Matt Busby.

8.) 31 Jul 2017 14:24:55
Im with you rainfish and Tot. Mick couldn't disagree more.

9.) 31 Jul 2017 14:30:26
Mick, you articulated my thoughts a lot better than I could. Easy scapegoat for the failings of the last few seasons. The nerve of the man, not turning down the opportunity to play for Utd. I mean, really. If people actually watched him play, rather than prejudging, they would have seen he rarely puts a foot wrong in most games, but when one pass goes astray, people just jump on him. He doesn't get the, 'bye ball' from some, that other, sexier players get, when they make mistakes. The reaction of some spoilt sections of our fans that day he was booed, was one of the most embarrassing moments in all my time supporting this club.

10.) 31 Jul 2017 14:37:06
My god. It's a long post and I read it twice. Basically you're saying he's not good enough to start but we should keep him for plan B or C.
First of all, if he's not good enough to start after 4 years of being here, then we should get rid.
Also, this is Manchester United, our plan B or C should be to bring a tricky player to unlock a defence or a young striker to poach a goal. Not Fellaini so we can pump the ball up to him and hope for the best. It's pathetic.
Can anyone who has watched him really think that he's a Manchester United type player? I must have been watching a different team for 45 years! We used to pump the ball up to Joe Jordan but he had skill to bring it down and finish. We used to push Gordon McQueen up when we were desperately looking for a goal, but he was an excellent centre half and had a definite position within the team.
What in your opinion does Fellaini bring to the side, apart from trying 100%.

11.) 31 Jul 2017 14:38:57

Is it? Could it be?

12.) 31 Jul 2017 15:08:24

Let's hope not, though first post mentioned Matt Busby so it could be!

13.) 31 Jul 2017 15:09:08
I kind of lost faith in Fellaini when we played Bayern. He ran half the length of the pitch with the ball then just kicked it out of play.

14.) 31 Jul 2017 15:30:40
So we get rid of Rooney and now we have to have endless debates on Fellaini instead. The manager wants him in the team, end of discussion.

15.) 31 Jul 2017 15:35:12
My top post of the year Mick. Fabulous 👏.

16.) 31 Jul 2017 15:38:26
I think that he is good if somewhat risky plan B in tough physical games until we get someone with more technical 'nous'.

As a 'marble top' I can look at his hair enviously, but not change my initial thought when he signed - wigs are overpriced.

17.) 31 Jul 2017 15:43:23
Lets see if that's true grim.

18.) 31 Jul 2017 15:47:25
Matt Busby is dead, football evolves, Fellaini serves a purpose, the MANAGER trusts him. Deal with it and move on.
I pray he stays!

19.) 31 Jul 2017 15:56:31
If he makes a mistake, he gets hammered for it. But if someone like Herrera does the same thing then there is little to no criticism, and Rashford can do no wrong even when he's had terrible games.

20.) 31 Jul 2017 17:39:11
Garr, Hererra tries things, the killer pass for the goal against Chelsea for instance. Inevitably a player like this loses the ball from time to time. Fellaini doesn't have that in his locker. What does he have in his locker? Don't say effort because nobody leaves more on the pitch than Hererra but he's also technically brilliant. What is even Fellainis position? I'm still waiting for someone to tell me?



28 Sep 2016 12:48:02
Id like to weigh in on the whole top player top manager question.

First off, starting with Shappy, what he says about theer being top plap players becoming top managers is pretty rare but using his own non Cartesian erroneous logic. Fact is, there are less top players becoming top managers because there are not so many top players to begin with. Maybe 3 or 4 premier league managers had careers at the top level, and 16 who weren't but taking it from a statistical point if view, there are less thn 2 or 3 % of people involved in football that were top players. This is a very small sample to begin with and stastistically 20 % of top managers used to be top players. So all in all, in terms of percentages, more top players become managers than non top layers do.

That is is without getting into the whole world class vs top class debate.

I consider a top class player someone who has played in a top league, for a tam fighting for titles. For example, Valencia qualifies as a top player. So do players from lesser team who were playing beyond their level. Shawcross, imo, also qualifies. If we wanna get into the world class category, its fair to say a world class player comes up, on average, twice a year as opposed to about 6-7 million players world wide who do.

We just don't have enough data to come up with the world class player becoming world class managers ( ho arguably, are even a more rare commodity )


1.) 28 Sep 2016 14:21:42
This has been one of the more confusing debates we have had with so little genuine statistics to back up any side and so much of it down to conjecture and opinion and views of opinions.

I tip my hat to you Mick for totally capturing the whole nature of the debate in your post. I've read it through 5 times now and I'm still not sure whether I agree or disagree with what your saying. Lol.

2.) 28 Sep 2016 16:57:43
Great post Mick.

Shappy - I got it first time, maybe it's just reading things you don't want to read, lol.

3.) 28 Sep 2016 17:19:03
Beast there isn't anything I don't want to read. If everyone agreed with me on here all the time I'd probably quit the site. I like debating things about our club, I can't do that if everyone thinks the same way.

Mick is a great poster and I've had many good debates with him going back several years. Personally I think there are points I kind of agree with and points I disagree with within Micks post. I also though he could have made his points clearer if he expanded on them a little more.

4.) 28 Sep 2016 17:50:09
Shappy - I was toying with you mate, the "lol" at the end (which I don't use often), should have indicated that. He made a point several of us have been making in an erudite way.

5.) 28 Sep 2016 23:41:10
Agree completely with that Mick. I think the problem was Shappy was trying to pigeon hole every individual under the same bracket. A strong you say world class players don't come around very often. In fact after seeing the exploits of Messi, Ronaldo and Suarez is it fair to say world class has been taken to another level?



20 Sep 2016 13:40:16
Away from all the disappointments of last week, who are your current favorite 3 players in the team? Not just from a football perspective, mostly their attitude and all.

My first would be Valencia. Not just because of his commitment to the team or the game, he's a tank: he came back from an ankle fracture having put on a good 15 pounds of muscles and somehow got even faster. He also seems like a straight arrow, no nonsense type without the celebrity status and what not. Not to mention he has a but of a quiet Zidanesque aura about him, not a guy you d like to mess with.

Second is Zlatan because he is Zlatan.

Third is Mata because he genuinely seems like he has a 3 digit IQ, which is very rare among top level footballers.


1.) 20 Sep 2016 14:43:38
Mata, as he seems to genuinely be thankful to be a footballer and knows how lucky he is.

Rashford, as he always has a smile on his face, and just plays with the freedom of youth.

Blind, for similar reasons to Mata.

2.) 20 Sep 2016 16:32:51
1) Mata
2) Valencia
3) Herera.

3.) 20 Sep 2016 16:26:56
bastian because he's stayed with us.

januzaj because his attitude is an example for all to follow.

rooney because he gives all for us and deserves to be where he is at united.

4.) 20 Sep 2016 17:11:21
De Gea as he is simply awesome.
Luke Shaw for the determination, ability and potential.
I actually like Herrera. Tidy passer, always moving and if he was given a run of games, he could be a key player. Reminds me of a young Iniesta.

5.) 20 Sep 2016 17:56:13
Lolll @ ezrs 😂😂😂.

6.) 20 Sep 2016 18:07:33
Blind, because he's gorgeous

Rashford because he seems humble

Shaw, good thighs.

7.) 20 Sep 2016 19:24:50
The trouble with Mata is the wind is picking up. Love Pogba and Rashford they look like they love it.

8.) 20 Sep 2016 20:17:35
Mata - model professional on and off the pitch.

Valencia - machine

Fellaini - could have taken the easy option and left, after some horrendous abuse from his own, 'fans', but stayed to fight for a place. I like that.

Honorary mentions to Herrera (he gets Utd) and Rashford (plays with such youthful freedom - enjoy him before it gets coached out of him) .

None of my three are the best players in the team, but I love their commitment and character.

9.) 20 Sep 2016 20:55:48
Depay, Rojo and Rooney. All three take huge stick for being sh*t, but still manage to pick up their payslip without wearing a mask. Got to admire that.



04 Jun 2016 14:06:54
It seems like some posters are worried that Zlatan is too slow for our attack especially since we are in dire need of pace up front it seems.

But when all is said and done, an attack is not based on a single player.

Few teams in the world would not benefit from having Ibra. I can't think of any but Barcelona and Bayern, but they function so well as a unit that they are in no need of a player who would not work as a cog in their machine, no matter how brilliant. I'm pretty certain even Zidane/ Ronaldinho would have no place in these teams.

Fact is we're not at that level, and Ibra will definitely improve us. e're not so good as a team that we can turn down world class abilities because they don't fit the system. Hopefully one day, we ill be, nut it is certainly not today.

As for the pace problem. The speed of an attack is nt to fall on the shoulders of one individual. An attack can consist of more than 6 players, and it's been well established that a pass is faster than any player in the world. Zlatan will not be the only one attacking next season. With Martial/ Memphis on one side, and Rashford/ new signing on the other, they will be running beyond Zlatan whose vision and ability to hold up the ball will be of great use to us.

Hopefully with a couple of midfielders who are willing/ capable of running beyond him, midfielders such as Rooney, Herrera, Pereira and hopefully a new signing and we're set.


1.) 04 Jun 2016 14:41:02
A spine of ibra, Rooney, Bastian and Terry would be great . then get the pace around them.
Just think how much the kids would learn.

2.) 04 Jun 2016 14:53:49

In a way I agree. I think that Basti could have a very good season for us if managed properly and played in a role similar to Scholes, where we had Carrick and Fletcher doing the running and let Scholes do what he did best, make wonderful passes.

3.) 04 Jun 2016 14:55:26
Totally agree Mick1!
The King and Teddy had no pace but they couldn't half play and both knew where the back of the net was.
People are going on about the French league and it's easy. Which may be true but Ibra has scored 50 goals this last season including in the CL. He also scored against Chelsea in both games etc.
He will be a focal point with players shifting the ball up to him and playing off him with their pace. He will be dangerous at set pieces and in the penalty box he can score loads from crosses etc
I can't wait and he will certainly increase shirt sales etc.

4.) 04 Jun 2016 14:58:29
Excellent point jred. It would work wonders. :)

5.) 04 Jun 2016 15:28:31
Mobility and pace are king in the EPL and we lack both.

6.) 04 Jun 2016 15:55:10
Be sure that mourinho knows this and will correct the problem. All of his teams had plenty of pace. We already have martial and Rashford up front both have plenty of pace. I can see another winger coming in and a dynamic CM. Shaw bombing down the left will also be huge.

Come September, I'd be very surprised if we lack pace.

7.) 04 Jun 2016 15:24:06
Jred, you are joking aren't you? I get how we might carry one perosnally with no pace but the whole spine? Terry's legs have gone, Schweinsteiger is the size of a house, I'm not convinced Rooney works in midfield. Cantons had plenty of pace whilst Sheringham played in he hole and orchestrated things.

If we want to play with pace and urgency we shouldn't be signing 34 year olds. I've checked the poll and I'm in the minority but given a choice of strikers 3 months ago, I doubt Ibra would have been in the top 10 on here if mentioned at all.

8.) 04 Jun 2016 16:29:12
Of course i'm joking.

9.) 04 Jun 2016 18:49:23
If Zlatan scores 50 goals next season that won't be far off what the entire squad scored in the league last season #perspective.

10.) 04 Jun 2016 17:14:24
Phew, good. It can be hard to tell on here at the moment, some of the excitement seems to be getting to people.

11.) 04 Jun 2016 20:16:09
Its the most agree's I've ever got and i was taking the p155.

12.) 04 Jun 2016 21:03:10
Jred, you got me, I saw Terry on your post, and I fired off the disagree before catching on. Strictly reflex.



14 Dec 2015 15:28:48
It's been a while since I last posted on the banter page. I recall having lost interest in doing so during Moyes' tenure, when frankly, the banter became rather rubbish. Constructive criticism was replaced with constant whining, tactical analysis' and players' performances by even more whining. Now, under Van Gaal's tenure, history is repeating itself.

Fact is, unlike most on here it seems, I do not believe Van Gaal is a bell-end. I think he knows what he wants and what the team needs more than any of us armchair managers do. He has more football knowledge in his little finger than we all do combined. He also sees the players in training, knows their capabilities and limits more than we do. He has had a lot of mixed success in his career, but most of that is not down to his lack of knowledge and understanding of the game.

Fact is, he seems like a genuinely bad communicator. The players don't seem to enjoy themselves under him, and he has, in all likelihood, fallen out with a huge majority of them. That is just who he is, and we knew what we were getting. He is a bit like Fergy, one of the old school managers who believe their word is beyond reproach, and players should live and breath as they are told by their manager. It's just that Ferguson was much better at it, and did look a bit less arrogant and commanded more respect. The man we see as out greatest ever manager has fallen out with players in the past, even lost the dressing room once or twice it seems, but always seemed to keep the respect of the players, by showing his " balls " in a non literal sense. This is where Van Gaal fails.

His " philosophy " as he likes to call it, is nothing more than a constant in a changing game plan, where possession is key. It's not all that unheard of for a manager to have a go-to system, and none of us really understand enough about the game to really state which one is best. Mourinho has always built from solid defensive unity, Fergy was into the whole expansive, fast wingers, powerful strikers swashbuckling style, Ancelotti is similar but less rigid, Klopp likes fast pressing, and controlling the game without necessarily having the ball.

Now Van Gaal's philosophy is not very clear to us, since he hasn't really built a team around it in a while. But I personally find similarities between him and the man we all want to replace him : Guardiola. Guardiola has adopted the high possession game, and made his own style with it by mixing it with the dutch " total football ". Louis' version is more reserved than that. Where the real difference lies is not in the philosophy, it's in the ability to control a squad, and make them buy into the style.

Pep is one of the best managers out there because he can get his ideas across and knows how to make a player buy into them. Van Gaal can't. Fergy never seemed to be one for masterful tactical thinking, and it was more the case of players just understanding what is wanted all around.

I know I've talked a lot without saying much, but all in all, I do believe Van Gaal is a pretty good tactician and knows his football, it just seems he can't get the players to back him up and will always divide opinions in the dressing room, and he hasn't really moved along with the game where a player has much more say and will not $hit his pants in fear when his manager is not pleased with him. And there's no escape from the fact he needs to be relieved of his duties before a fall out occurs.

PS: A counter argument to Shappy's " a manager on the touchline has minimal effect ". I do not believe so. Immediate instructions need to be given at times during the game.
For example, a team has identified the right side as our weakness, and have shifted their attacking plays down that side. So when we don't have the ball, the winger needs to drop deeper, the defensive midfielder will shift his position swiftly to assist, which will mean the attacking midfielder has to drop back a bit and take his left. Now payers have been instructed to do so, but during a game, with the changing nuances, emotions, states, not all players, especially youngsters or rather thick individuals ( we all know who is being referenced here ), need to be given such instructions.
Even the more experienced heads, or the rare players with a three digit IQ cannot notice what the manager does from the outside, each one too occupied with his own role to think it through )
My point is not " the manager has to be on the touchline giving instructions", he needs to be in his area studying and thinking or taking notes and what not, but someone needs to be on the side of the pitch where players go for to be given a word or an instruction. Maybe have Giggs do it?
And that is not mentioning the extra push and mental support it gives both the players and the fans.


1.) 14 Dec 2015 15:40:16
im lost i think you backed the manger and slagged him of at the same time.

2.) 14 Dec 2015 15:43:45
Top post mick. Don't leave it so long the next time.
It's always good to read a mature and respectful opinion I agree with an awful lot of what you written.

3.) 14 Dec 2015 16:11:12
Top post, I think the issue stems from what you said and how should I put it, the players don't want to play for him anymore

The issue with me is how we got eliminated last week, we knew we had to get a result and yet we did not perform no were we should as a team and the manner of the performance was terrible

LVG has lost the team, simple, his stubborness and mentally has back fired on him, too many players don't play for him, the best thing United could do is get a new manager put in place for now or next season.

4.) 14 Dec 2015 16:12:52
I wasn't aware that we all wanted Pep as the next manager. Personally would much rather see Ancelotti or Simeone get the job.

As for LVG knowing better than everybody else - I'd be much more inclined to believe that if we were seeing results.

5.) 14 Dec 2015 16:16:58
Wow, return of the Mickster. Its certainly been a while.

I totally get what your saying about having someone intruct players in real time. But if you have prepared properly you will have a very good idea about how your opponant will attack and where they are going to try to. But my main issue is players 50ft away can't clearly hear instuctions and when you consider that the lanuage used may not be the first lanuage of the player or even the coach then that further complicates things.

On the whole I think that having a manager on the sidelines instucting his team is beneficial, and it certainly makes the fans happier.

I just disagreed with the idea that our team struggles because LvG doesn't do it. I think if LvG did do it, the difference it would make would be negligible.

6.) 14 Dec 2015 16:23:46
I wouldn't have any issues if Ancelotti or Simeone got the gig but Pep is my no1 choice

You could say that for any manager, it's a results driven business, look at Arsenal how everyone wanted Wenger gone because the lack of trophies then the FA Cup and everyone gone silent again.

7.) 14 Dec 2015 16:36:36
simoene can't speak a word of english and never going to happen. Conte is a big possibility and people on the board like him.

8.) 14 Dec 2015 16:57:39
I'm still not convinced that Pep has the ability to build a top team from the ground up nor do I see much rigidity in his playing style which worries me a little. I wouldn't be disappointed if he was our next manager but can't see him choosing us over City and think that Ancelotti is better suited to the job at hand. Him being available now is also a big bonus as it would allow us to get ahead of the managerial merry-go-round that will likely happen in the summer.

As for Simeone's lack of English - if we made inquiries now he could certainly learn a sufficient level of English between now and the summer - and even if he doesn't - we have seen managers come into the league that can't speak English before (Poch springs to mind) .

9.) 14 Dec 2015 17:02:29
1 huge difference is Van Gaal is a bell end as you like to call it! He is an aragont prick and does not have the dressing room, Pep may play the same style but he is a real personal player man, he can get the best out of players and they would enjoy playing for him! Nobody in the whoile squad enjoys playing for Van Gaal everything is depressing and laboured! If the players don't enjoy it how can anyone expect them to win?

10.) 14 Dec 2015 17:23:05
The fact that Pep's always managed a top team leaves some doubt as to his ability to take a team like United, still in transition, and give the fans what they expect, which is nothing less than winning trophies on regular basis.

To my mind we still need to deal with some structural issues within the club, like maybe having a director of football, thus making sure that we don't have to completely reinvent ourselves upon every change of manager.

I don't think any of us, including the Board, or Ferguson, appreciated just how challenging the job was going to be. 26 years under one manager is a long time and towards the end we unquestionably failed to modernize or prepare for the new world. We became complacent. So here we are, 2 1/3rd years on and last week only Carrick and De Gea of SAF's team started the match. LVG may be arrogant and stubborn, but not all the blame falls on his shoulders. Just most of it.

11.) 14 Dec 2015 17:26:03
Shamlk, you've hit the nail on the head.
Also people saying pep can't build a team are wrong, look at the players he's brought to Bayern and you realise how they've improved an already good team.

12.) 14 Dec 2015 17:53:30
SchMidfield -

Comparing the starting 11 for the 12/13 Champions League final to their 5-1 thrashing of Arsenal a few months ago; Neuer, Martinez, Boeteng, Lahm, Alaba and Muller started both matches while Robben (who probably would have started ahead of Koeman had he not been returning from injury) came off the bench.

Alonso, Lewandowski, Thiago and Costa have since replaced Schweinsteiger, Mandzukic, Dante and Ribery (three of whom are getting on a bit and one of whom simply wasn't good enough) - but for me the core of that squad is still the same as the one he inherited from Jupp Heynckes.

There are other signings to talk about that have been decent additions (Bernat, Vidal) but then again there are others that have been poor (Gotze, Benatia) . For me though - five of their best back six (including keeper and DM) are the same as they were when he took the job - as are their best AM/CF and RW.

I think he's sprinkled some glitter on an already great team - but as it stands - I find it hard to call it his team.

13.) 14 Dec 2015 18:09:02
End of the day any other option is better than Van Gaal.

14.) 14 Dec 2015 19:11:39
redseven you say your'e not convinced pep can build a team from the ground up, then say ancelotti is better suited, can you give us an example of a team ancelotti has built?

15.) 14 Dec 2015 19:34:04
Really good to see u back mick mate.

16.) 14 Dec 2015 20:20:52
Do you not remember that side that won 2 champions league titles in the early 00's as well as reaching another final?

Nesta, Seedorf, Rivaldo, Kaka, Ronaldo and Ronaldinho are just some of the players he signed while at Milan - not to mention the influence he had on players like Inzaghi, Pirlo, Gattuso and Kaladze. The team he assembled there was arguable the best of the decade.

He did fantastic work at Milan and more recently did the same for PSG in a very short window of time. In his 18 months at the club he oversaw the transfers of Ibrahimovic, Thiago Silva, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Marco Verrati, Gregory van der Wiel, Lucas Moura, Maxwell and Thiago Motta - all of whom are still regulars for a club that is dominating their domestic league and improving massively in Europe.




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12 Jan 2018 15:59:54
Balague also said in his tweet it s either pep or money. Poor little city.




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07 Jun 2016 20:59:30
A zlatan kick is the prefered method of execution in 172 countries.




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04 Jun 2016 00:36:02
Gianluca Di Marzio is in on it. At this point in time, the deal is as good as done imo.




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15 Dec 2014 02:56:57
Thanks CTR. I look forward to your holiday ratings! I know i haven't been around all that much, med school has been tougher than i expected when compared to pre med and I've had some family deaths so I've been travelling a bit.

I really miss the banter though, and i'm glad this page is still going strong 6 years in.
I hope the wee lad and misses redman are all right and looking forward for these holidays.
A word for the oldish posters who have disappeared like Percy, Kloot or whatever he goes by, ngian, and our mascott Zee.

Last but not least, a big thanks for the Eds who keep this page alive with all their hardwork and dedication. Especially Ed002, Ed004 and Edd007. We really appreciate your hardwork




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The " journalists" u are mentioning include gianluca Di Marzio, the most well connected, known and reliable journalist in Europe. Gives Ed002 a run for his money on inside knowledge.




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03 Aug 2017 17:23:47
I don't think MuTV are employing paddy for his knowledge of the game and his insightful comments. Tbf he looks like he's unsure what day of the week it is, seems to be watching a different game most of the time and his commentary is as biased as it gets.

Doesnt bother much tbh, hardly going to get unbiased commentary on a club tv and i think its really great the club is still sticking by Paddy after all this time.




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22 Jul 2017 10:27:47
Yeah these aren't rumours though are they? This is sky sports' " 6 midfielders manchester united should look into ".




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25 Sep 2016 01:14:46
Pereira has been beyond wonderful, a really great loan spell imo. Granada are bollocks, and will very likely be relegated, but he's been performing admirably among a team that has yet to gel. Getting rave reviews so far and has been one of the stand out players in that team. Has played on the wings, in a midfield two and as a number 10 so far.

Januzaj's loan is different. He's getting a lot of playing time and always looks to create something, but his statistic output in terms of goals and assists has been non existent. Always makes the wrong pass but Moyes seems to trust him. On a personal level, he seems to have gotten stronger and statistically has the second most successful dribbles in europes top 5 leagues, behind Hazard, and the highest success rate. Sunderland fans seem to be very frustrated with him, but if you watch his games he has been one of their best performers and Defoe apart, the only one who looks capable of doing anything. But their fans are out with their pitchforks and Januzaj, the loaned player, seems to be getting a lot of heat.




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22 Sep 2016 13:25:44
I don't know MAZE it might it it, but I certainly have not made it this morning.

Fact is Rooney has been involved in some major battles in his careers.

Battle against Fergie in his last season, with the media, with weight issues, imo now with Mourinho.

And most importantly a full out war against the art of the first touch.