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05 Dec 2020 19:45:08
Gona stop posting, i can only eat so much humble pie 😂😂then again the more i post how bad they are the more they prove me wrong 😜.

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04 Dec 2020 14:56:10
What's happened too all the right wingers, when i was a kid in the 60/ 70s every team had a RW, some good some not so good and LWingers were a premium now everyone seems to want to play on the left and cut inside leaving teams very unbalanced.

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1.) 04 Dec 2020 15:29:19
They all left football and went into politics which seems far too full of "right wingers" at the moment.

On a serious note I think the reason can be traced back to the idea of playing inverted wingers and overlapping full backs.

To be a top wide player now its more about cutting in and linking the play or finding space to shoot, rather than stay wide, stretch the play and whip in dangerous crosses.

As such if you are a top level wide player you will likely be right footed (around 80-90% of people are right footed), and as such you are more likely to play on the left wing so you can cut in onto your stronger foot and keep the ball on you right hand side giving you a shot selection of the entire goal and the ability to play a quick one two, or slip a player in with a pass around the corner.

This often means that the best right wing players are left footed, of which as discussed is only between 10-20% of people, so statistically you have less options. Also left footers are often more creative players and can often end up playing in a multitude of positions on the pitch depending on where you want a creator.

With these players being rarer there is much more competition for them. There are some excellent RW players about, Messi, Salah, Mbappe, Gnarby, Mahrez, Di Maria, Sancho, Havertz and Dybala often play on the RW. Unfortunately many of them are already at a top club and its difficult to get these players.


2.) 04 Dec 2020 16:46:38
Yh there's plenty out there, just look at man city and liverpool, sane, mahrez, b silva, sterling, salah, mane and jota have all played right wing at some point. Of course the likes of sterling and mane have moved to the left but have shown themselves to be more than capable of playing right wing.

The reason why manchester united haven't signed a decent right winger is because we have been deluding ourselves in recent years that we do not need a right winger. Season after season over the past 5 years we persist with juan mata playing right wing or jesse lingard.


3.) 04 Dec 2020 17:35:09
Its a funny one.
One guys opinion of what he wants from a right winner differs from the next man.
Less teams play with the traditional wingers than before.
Its more of a right sided forward now and as shappy said they are often left footed looking to cut in on their stronger foot instead of going outside their man to cross.
So the question is what does ole want for his system? The pursuit of sancho would suggest that he wants the right footer type on the right wing.


4.) 04 Dec 2020 18:11:30
Plenty of them in government mate.


5.) 04 Dec 2020 21:37:18
Oh I wish! Winger gets to byline, whips in a cross, centre forward gambles near post gets ahead of the defender and steers it in or winger stands it up and centre forward meets it with a bullit header.

Proper football, jumpers for goalposts.


6.) 05 Dec 2020 09:14:31
Will soon be moot anyway as heading the ball will be banned soon enough so high crosses will become obsolete.


 

 

05 Sep 2020 18:35:18
His stats are fantastic and his reputation in Germany is good but the FEW times I've seen Sancho he's done nothing to impress me and spend over 100mill on him, personally and it's just my opinion I'd go for traorie? from wolves.

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1.) 05 Sep 2020 19:26:15
We have seen a few players look fantastic for Dortmund and then not so great when they leave. Kagawa and Mkhitaryan for us, while Gotze and Hummels looked average for Bayern while world class for Dortmund.

Sancho looks a great player in Germany playing for Dortmund. For England not so much. International football is a tough one to judge as players don't get to play with their team mates every week to build up a rapport.

I have reservations about the fee, but if the club can afford it then fine. Personally I'd be looking at other options.


2.) 05 Sep 2020 19:31:13
Grumpy

Traore is very quick but what are his assists and goals like?


3.) 05 Sep 2020 19:52:22
Red man, traore would be a good shout. He must be a nightmare for defenders. He would create a lot of space and opportunity for our other 3 forwards.

Assists can be very misleading. He is instrumental for wolves although he might not always make that final pass.


4.) 05 Sep 2020 20:26:06
Redman, watched him at Middlesbrough and villa and he was poor, just fast, but the wolves manager has improved his end product, sorry don’t know his stats but on his day he’s nearly unplayable, and a lot cheaper, still a good age, just my opinion.


5.) 05 Sep 2020 20:58:22
If he was unplayable he would start more games for them and be winning games on his own, I don’t see that from him. He was absolutely dreadful at Middlesbrough every time I saw him, didn’t he have the record for most games without a goal or assist at one point?

He has improved massively at Wolves and looks like an absolute beast but he’s had one decent season, I wouldn’t call him unplayable.


6.) 05 Sep 2020 21:10:33
He’s had one good season. Not good enough for Utd if we want to win the league.


7.) 05 Sep 2020 21:18:33
How many times did people on here talk about the ability to open up teams using skill. Yet now we want to revert to a power pace player who benefits when playing on the break as Wolves spend more time defending than we do. Forgive me for not jumping on the Traore bandwagon, good, powerful, fast player but I am not sure he adds enough to us. We already have pace, yet some just see pace and power as the answer. We need some finesse as well.


8.) 05 Sep 2020 21:21:16
My Colleague is a lifelong Wolves fan-he would cash in on Traore in a heartbeat- like Aaron Lennon, fast as a train never lifts his head up, might score the odd spectacular goal but would snatch your hand off for anything over 45 mill.


9.) 05 Sep 2020 21:29:51
I would suggest Sancho faces better fullbacks in Germany than he faced tonight, so perhaps the England coaching mentality is different. Clearly he could skin most fullbacks alive but seemed reluctant. Players don’t seem to express themselves with England like we see them do in their day jobs.


10.) 05 Sep 2020 21:50:57
Maybe another good season then and we can talk about it.

Always liked him, progressed nicely over the last couple of seasons and I think he'd be a very good addition.

Klopp likes him and apparently would take him. But what would he know 🤷.


11.) 05 Sep 2020 22:01:40
I’d still take Brooks, quality player IMO.


12.) 05 Sep 2020 22:02:04
If you want to judge by tonight kane was also subbed off because he wasn't great Sterling was poor as well both who would cost more than sancho and are considered as some of the best players in the league. A bit of perspective is needed I think.

On traore his main assets are pace and power and it works brilliantly for a team that loves to play on the counter like wolves but Utd have been actively trying to play a more quick and dynamic style with passing which comes up against a lot of low blocks and traore simply isn't the man for the role.


13.) 05 Sep 2020 22:43:52
It was basically a pre season game wouldn't look too much into tonight, on a side note what a stupid time to have international games. A few that have played over the last couple of day have hardly had any rest ahead of the new season next week, I can feel a few injuries coming.


14.) 06 Sep 2020 09:29:24
I reckon Traore could make a brilliant centre, maybe loose forward in rugby league, but he is a very patchy footballer. Unplayable on his day but he has maybe three such days a season. He does always have his head down as well. Wouldn't fare well at United I think. Probably better at The Wire or Saints.


15.) 06 Sep 2020 09:45:57
That's unfair to him IggyBob, he has greatly improved and his distribution is a long way from what it used to be. His stats last year really jumped. Nuno has done really well with him.


16.) 06 Sep 2020 09:49:30
Adama Traore is an interesting player, he was a late developer. He always had the raw pace and power, but now he is learning how to make the most of them.

He still has deficiencies in his game, he isn't great in tight spaces and his movement and spatial awareness needs work. Although these are things that he can work on and improve. However for me due to the sheer cost it would take to get him from Wolves and where he is as a player right now I would look elsewhere.

However, I can understand why from a tactical point of view a player with Traore's skillset might be a good idea. If we decide to play with asymmetrical full backs rather than try and coach AWB to be a more effective attacker then we will need a RW who will stick to the touch line to create space for players like Bruno or DvdB to float into the inside right channel.

In that respect a player like Traore who despite his flaws is so quick and powerful that the opposition have to alter their tactics to account for him. Regularly doubling up with their full back and winger, effectively tying up two of their players meaning an overload can be achieved elsewhere on the pitch. So tactically he could be a good fit depending on what we are hoping to do this season.

That said there are other players I feel who offer a quick and power presence on the right with good ability to cross the ball, while also being better with their movement and spatial awareness.

Someone like Ismailia Sarr would be half the cost of Adama Traore while having a higher ceiling. Or we could just play Dan James on the right, his crossing is good, he is quick he's a very similar player to Traore just not as powerful. Or we could move Dalot to RW, he is probably the best crosser we have, is also rapid, and physically stronger than James.

Ultimately a player like Sancho is the best option, as not only does he have the pace and crossing ability to stay wide, he is clever with his movement, has great spatial awareness and can come inside as well as going outside. That unpredictability makes him so much harder to mark.

If we are just looking for a player like Adama Traore then either sign Sarr or use James or Dalot. They offer the same one dimensional but highly effective tactic, but at less than half the cost.

While if possible we should be looking for that next level then we need a player who can be more tactically flexible.


17.) 06 Sep 2020 10:13:46
Taore's end product is very inconsistent.
Whereas Sancho is excellent in tight spaces.


18.) 06 Sep 2020 10:52:31
Totally agree that Traore has improved, so strong and fast, and imposes himself on any sign of weakness. Don't like the term but he will bully weak opponents. But also strongly agree with True Red/ Shappy, too inconsistent with his end product and a bit one dimensional which can limit a team's tactics. He'd probably get slaughtered on here after half a season. Better player than James or Dalot though in my opinion. Would he improve us as a team? Sorry, no, not in my opinion.


 

 

12 Jul 2020 15:44:15
Just watching villa game, there's no way Grealish is the standard we need, he just slows the game down, as for Mings for CB no way is he good enough, rather have kept Smalling, AKE could be a good shout ( depends on price)

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1.) 12 Jul 2020 16:53:49
This is what I've been saying Grealish doesn't look anything special. Is he better than Mata, Lingard and Pereira? Yeah, but is he worth the money it would cost to effectively sign a better squad player than what we have? I don't think so.

We should either be signing someone who can genuinely challenge the first 11 right now, or a young player with huge potential who can do a rotation job now and eventually reach or surpass the level of our current first 11.

I don't see the point in signing someone who isn't good enough to get into our starting 11 now and will never be good enough for our starting 11.


2.) 12 Jul 2020 17:00:17
Shaps
So grealish wasn't good enough, then he made a lot of sense and now he is not good enough . All in soace if 10 days .
He has been poor since epl returned from lockdown, to be fair and people tend to judge on a gamd by game basis.
He has a lot of talent and some very good attributes, ready for z big move, bigger challenge imo.


3.) 12 Jul 2020 17:08:43
Grealish is awful and shouldn't even consider signing him.


4.) 12 Jul 2020 17:20:39
I’d rather see Angel Gomes as that squad player covering LAM, AM, CM.

Shame
Cheaper and better than all the afore mentioned.


5.) 12 Jul 2020 17:30:35
Is he better than periera? Lingard?
Mata?
If we can get him in for what we could sell those 3 for i'd be pleased. He is versatile. Creative. Decent delivery.
He could do a better job and offer a better option than those 3 above.
At the right price he would be a good option but the talk of costing the same as bruno or fred is maddness imo.


6.) 12 Jul 2020 17:56:07
Jred, it's quite simple. I was of the opinion that Grealish wasn't good enough. Then under consideration I thought he might be useful as a squad addition. Firstly because his skill set offers something we lack, an offensive dribbler who can break a deep line centrally. Secondly, if Pogba was to leave then that would only leave Bruno as a creative central midfielder.
However since then his poor form has highlighted either his inability to perform under pressure (i. e when his team really needs him) or the inability to maintain form unless he plays every week.

Given that Pogba looks increasingly likely to stay then that means Grealish would have significantly less minutes on the pitch.

While his inability to perform either under pressure or without regular minutes means that he would be a very poor choice to sign as a squad player, especially given how much he would cost as well as his questionable attitude.

60m on a squad player who has a questionable attitude, who probably isn't good enough for our first 11, who has shown that if he is going to have any decent form at all he either needs to play every week or play without pressure, neither of those things are likely to happen at United.

So yes, I'm back to square one. What makes you sure that he would be a great signing? What do you see his role at the club if he signs?


7.) 12 Jul 2020 18:38:21
Shaps
So in short you have changed your mind 😜.
What I think of grealish has been done to death, even if he has been poor since the season resumed.


8.) 12 Jul 2020 18:59:31
Grumpy you’re bang on in my opinion.


9.) 12 Jul 2020 19:09:05
He really isn’t ‘awful’ and you can tell some people have only started watching him since lockdown when he’s struggled a bit.

I’m not sure he’s the answer but some people just watch a player once or twice and make a judgment.


10.) 12 Jul 2020 19:27:29
Gds2
I think you could be right there.


11.) 12 Jul 2020 19:35:40
Rather cantwell than Grealish. The price needed to buy Grealish just does not justify him as back up/ rotation. And he’s a bit of a tit.

Cantwell wouldn’t command a great fee, doesn’t have half the egotistical attitude of Jack and can cover very similar positions.


12.) 12 Jul 2020 20:01:33
I can only assume what makes Grealish such an attractive option is his ability to play a variety of different positions. He can play wide left or right, No10 or in a midfield 3! From that perspective he'd be a useful addition to the squad and there is no doubt he is capable of moments of real quality on his day. I'd like to think that in a better side he'd receive the ball more frequently in dangerous areas of the pitch allowing him to influence the game more often. With question marks over his attitude, consistency and his inevitable inflated transfer fee whether he is worth the gamble is open to conjecture.

We've also been linked with Donny Van De Beek and I just wonder if he might be the smarter option. Whilst he's perhaps not as versatile as Grealish he's an excellent all round midfielder with an eye for a goal. I just wonder with the emergence of Greenwood if we could tweak the formation slightly and play with a midfield diamond. With Matic holding, Pogba and VDB playing box to box and Fernandes at No10 we'd have a dynamic midfield full of creativity and goals.

Upfront we'd have Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Ighalo competing for two positions. I've always thought our attackers are better coming from wider positions and this would allow Fernandes to drift and play almost as a false 9 on occasions arriving late in the box proving elusive and hard to pick up.

If Fernandes were to get injured we could play 4-3-3 with Pogba and VDB still providing the creativity from midfield.

On first glance maybe it doesn't look like there is room for VDB in our midfield especially if we keep Pogba but I think he could be a very good option. I think if we want to reach the next level we need quality in midfield and players capable of creating chances and scoring goals. Mctominay and Fred have both had excellent seasons, their work rate and industry make them important players in our squad but they won't help us break down stubborn defences on a consistent basis. I think both would be better served learning how to play the defensive midfield role and challenging Matic for a place in the starting 11.


13.) 12 Jul 2020 20:37:22
I said he's awful from day one and i won't change tht. To be fair i look at the players character and personality more then their ability.

Every pro footballer is technically very good and can kick a ball but helos u reach the very top is your mental ability and i don't think he has tht in him.

Based on tht i wouldn't go near him. We hve Lingard who can perform one in 10 games like he can so why go spend 60 mill when we have our very own Grealish in lingard nd Perera.


14.) 12 Jul 2020 21:47:11
Hi DLIB. Agree Van de Beek at £40m v Grealish at £60m is a no brainer. VDB looks top class hence Real Madrid’s interest. We should seize on the fact they are no longer in for him this season. Dutch players have traditionally adapted well to the Prem and I think Grealish looks like he’d bring some attitude too! VDB for me. Pogba can play the No.10 role also should Bruno get injured or we need to change things up a bit.

{Ed002's Note - That is not the option the club needs to consider.}


15.) 12 Jul 2020 21:56:02
Grealish is a good player. Has much more to offer than lingard, Pereira, mata and James.

I think he would excel in our squad.

Not sure what people's problem is with him. I mean he has been playing very well for Villa who have been pretty abysmal all season.


16.) 12 Jul 2020 23:09:43
Grealish would be our Shaqiri

Great depth for a 50 game season.


17.) 12 Jul 2020 23:29:04
Angel,

People watched him Post lockdown because all of the games are on tv and he hasn’t shone in a team who are probably going to get relegated and are struggling so he’s an awful player.


18.) 13 Jul 2020 06:59:59
Reactionary GDS. Always liked him.

But his attitude is questionable.


 

 

28 Jun 2020 18:56:20
Yesterday showed a few things, big squad some players not up to standard,
Mata while still a fans favourite is too slow and past his best.
Lingard, dalot, pierra, just not good enough.
Bailly ( who i like) is erratic and needs too cut the mistakes out
DDG i think we've seen the best of him, maybe time to move him on,
And we all know how poor jones, Sanchez have been.

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1.) 28 Jun 2020 20:10:51
De gea didn't even play!?


2.) 28 Jun 2020 21:07:57
Pereira didn't play either.


3.) 28 Jun 2020 22:10:01
I think his name should tell you everything you need to know 😁😁😂.


4.) 28 Jun 2020 22:16:09
And Dalot’s first game in months 😂

Ah well good job we don’t knee jerk from week to week.


5.) 28 Jun 2020 23:53:45
Ffs 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.


 

 

 

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04 Oct 2020 12:53:43
I think cavarni deal is a no brainier, 2 year for our present front 3 to learn from a (past) world class striker.

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19 Sep 2020 15:48:55
Bolger, have you watched brooks quality and the right age and will get better, we have signed 2 player of the year from Germany and neither reproduced the form even though i loved Kagawa, and, WOODY this is for you, as said before, half the price.

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19 Sep 2020 15:37:42
Sorry pressed send, Brookes is quality and would be a great signing.

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19 Sep 2020 15:36:03
I mentioned going for Brookes before, I’m from Sheffield and have seen a few times, but got shot down for mentioning ramdom names.

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19 Sep 2020 15:24:33
If he’s good enough he’ll get game time, simple.

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12 Dec 2020 17:03:19
Utd to win, because every time it looks like ole is close to the sack he pulles one out of the bag 😀.

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01 Dec 2020 19:36:36
Philips, Traore and Jimenez of wolves, lampty of Brighton looks a great prospect,

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05 Sep 2020 20:26:06
Redman, watched him at Middlesbrough and villa and he was poor, just fast, but the wolves manager has improved his end product, sorry don’t know his stats but on his day he’s nearly unplayable, and a lot cheaper, still a good age, just my opinion.

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12 Jul 2020 15:55:35
Reminds me of Robbie Fowler the way he hits it so clean and effortlessly and always on target.

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01 Mar 2020 21:37:15
Still rather have Maddison.

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