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08 May 2020 15:40:34
Hi ed002, I don't know if this has an answer. Let's say the season starts back and 3 or 4 games are played before the virus makes a comeback. Would the line be drawn across the season from the current point or would the line be drawn from the pre-restart league positions?


{Ed002's Note - There have been no discussions about the options but the proposal from the RFEF is contraversial in that it proposes to reset to the pre-start positions if it subsequently stops.}

1.) 08 May 2020 16:15:23
It's a pretty big call to make considering permutations of the table that could change after a handful of games. Liverpool could be champions only for the table to be reset. Us or Sheffield United could therectically in the top 4.

Just goes to show that it will be impossible to please everyone.



17 Nov 2019 12:52:43
Hi ed002, how's things?

Do we still hold interest in Bruno Fernandes? Seemed like a weird turn of events in the summer regarding him. We put in an insulting offer for the player and then never went back?

We obviously targeted a player for the number 10 role since we spent time chasing Dybala and Eriksson. It's very peculiar that we never revisted Bruno as he would definitely improve our starting 11.

Here's hoping that ship hasn't sailed.


{Ed002's Note - I would doubt Manchester United will be looking at the player again after screwing around in the summer. There is interest from elsewhere and Sporting have financial difficulties - and they may reluctantly sell.}

1.) 17 Nov 2019 15:21:12
Ed any interest in Bale from United?

{Ed002's Note - The situation remains unchanged aside from the loan option that has likely gone. RM will try to include Bale in a deal for Pogba - and if his price fits what MU value him at then something can be done.}

2.) 17 Nov 2019 16:11:41
That's a shame. He's exactly what we need and he is available.

Thanks ed. Enjoy your Sunday night.

3.) 18 Nov 2019 12:07:24
Bale? You'd have thought we would have learned our lesson after Sanchez.

4.) 18 Nov 2019 11:20:27
Okay thanks ed.



29 Aug 2019 10:34:45
Hi ed002. Hope all is well. Are there any of our fringe players attracting any interest from any European teams at the minute?



{Ed002's Note - Smalling is of interest to Roma who are fast running out of options. Pogba is of interest to Real Madrid but they are looking to someone else now. Rojo remains of interest to Fenerbahce and Matteo Darmian to Inter but both look unlikely.}

1.) 29 Aug 2019 13:03:24
Very kind Ed, thank you.

2.) 29 Aug 2019 20:18:42
Inter taking all of our unwanted players.



06 Aug 2019 07:24:03
Dybala deal back on after he finally had a meeting with Sarri? They should bin the transfer window altogether. This year has been the most tedious in memory.


1.) 06 Aug 2019 08:17:10
Where have you heard this, Mumbles?

2.) 06 Aug 2019 08:21:05
Mumbles, I think due to the many platforms accessible today, the transfer windows have become incredibly more tedious.

I'm sure that all of this went on years ago but news was only made available in the form of paper.

Now its everywhere. More rubbish than ever too. I'd imagine years ago, 'journalists' actually work hard to confirm and corroborate stories. So called journalists today are just regurgitating any news for clicks sake.

Man united are a big story and more is written about the club because more people will click on the story and the clicks mean revenue for the site.

Twitter is the devil during the transfer window lol.

3.) 06 Aug 2019 08:23:37
Apparently, Alfredo Pedulla (reliable in Italy, I hope) mentioned something is back on the table. Not too sure, though. I think it's just lousy paper/ journo talk.

4.) 06 Aug 2019 08:43:37
Some Italian journalist Alfredo Pedulla who's close to Sarri said he's willing to accept our offer. How true it is I don't know. It may be Juventus' last attempt to force the lad out the door.

We'll know how true it is in the coming days.

5.) 06 Aug 2019 10:37:24
I quite enjoy the chaos of the transfer window. Providing we end up with the right players once the window has shut, I’m happy to go along for the ride.

I’d still be happy with Dybala providing he cane for the right reasons and gave his all. I can’t blame the lad for looking for a big pay check, but am a little worried by how big the numbers we are hearing are.

6.) 06 Aug 2019 11:04:28
A Juve fan friend of mine told me some behind the scenes stuff that triggered the proposed sale of Dybala.
Apparently in the latter part of the season, Dybala when to the training ground with a list of demands for an improved contract. Juventus felt his demands were not justified and decided to ship him out.
According to him he ll end up at Psg who already informed him they re ready to meet his demands.

7.) 06 Aug 2019 11:37:39
I don't see we returning to Dybala, he has already acted like a mercenary and will only complicate things if he is to come and join.
Saying that we did look below average in midfield when Pogba is not playing and when Matic is there. So if we can add a solid midfielder to the fold then we will be set. I still feel we will get one more first team player in before the window shuts on thursday.

8.) 06 Aug 2019 11:58:08
dev1i. lol Seriously?
sounds total bs.

9.) 06 Aug 2019 13:05:12
My auntie is called Flo and she is an old lady and her bingo friend Doris said that her butchers window cleaner said that a bloke in the Eagle and Child told him that you can tell dev1i anything and he will believe it . and i mean anything 😄😄.

10.) 06 Aug 2019 13:23:55
BFRO I thought it was a song and tried to rap till I saw dev1i.

11.) 06 Aug 2019 13:41:15
@Truedevil when it s too good it probably isn't. Especially when it concerns Juventus.
I think Dybala will soon be gone, and most probably Costa too. However they ll manage to get good money for them even if they want them out.

12.) 06 Aug 2019 14:06:04
Pedulla is the best when it comes to Sarri coached teams. The best after our very Eds of course :)

13.) 06 Aug 2019 14:29:26
I find the eagle an child a bit cramped. I assume you mean the one in oxford.

14.) 06 Aug 2019 17:10:25
No Mort Ramsbottom near Bury.

15.) 06 Aug 2019 17:10:40
Romano tweets definitely off lol.



02 Jul 2019 08:22:16
Morning ed002. Today the lucky player to be joining us is Dani Olmo. Have we shown any interest in him?


{Ed002's Note - Lots of sides have looked but turned away at the ridiculous asking price. Not the answer for MU but perhaps thay don't care.}

1.) 02 Jul 2019 10:15:00
Thank's ed. Is he well thought of or is it clubs drinking the Croatian kool aid?

Seems like United are being used yet again in the media to try and drum up interest.

{Ed002's Note - They are talking to Bayer Leverkusen about him - or at least were last week. Milan, Genoa, Crystal Palace and West Ham balked at the asking price.}




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18 Apr 2021 18:23:12
Gary Neville speaking the truth in regards to clubs signing a letter of intent. They/ we should be seriously punished for this.

Iv been a fan of United my whole life. My dad, his dad have been fans. It's one of the constant joys iv had in my life, but if the club does decide to play in a Super League, I'll be done with the club and probably the sport.

Disgusting behaviour from the owners of these clubs.


1.) 18 Apr 2021 18:31:53
Completely agree. If this happens I will be finding another club. These owners know nothing about history and tradition, the pyramid means nothing to them. It makes me feel physically sick that this is even being considered, Money is God.

2.) 18 Apr 2021 18:45:08
On the plus side, I could see the glaziers selling if they go ahead with it and it pushed the share price up.

3.) 18 Apr 2021 18:47:04
In my opinion a breakaway European Super League would be the death of our great Club.
A closed shop with guaranteed revenue yet no pressure to win anything in order to safeguard income would be absolute panacea for the Glazers but purgatory for the fans!
I’m all for modernisation but a breakaway is not the way to do it.
At least the qualification process keeps the Glazers moderately honest and interested imagine where we’d be if they had a licence to print money yet no incentive to spend it?! Whipping boys for Real Madrid!
Modernisation is coming but surely not like this?

4.) 18 Apr 2021 19:30:00
Completely the emotions in this argument but surely its just the natural progression of the sport as a commercial/ financial entity.

A similar way to how the premier league was developed in 1992, or maybe i am reading the whole thing wrong, as not too many are complaining about the premier league as a concept?

Surely a european super league is just a progression from that.

{Ed002's Note - Yes, the whole structure needs a shake up.}

5.) 18 Apr 2021 19:48:26
It just seems to me that the more the game "grows" the duller it becomes.

6.) 18 Apr 2021 19:49:11
There's a difference to changing the top tier or re-branding a league in the domestic pyramid and going off and having a closed shop for the European Elite to compete against each other with nothing at stake. League titles won in 1920 were still league titles when the Premier League wad introduced.

In theory it will be a "better" competition but if you think our owners will pump money to compete in it you're wrong. They have no ambition to compete with City and Liverpool domestically, they certainly won't try and compete with 19 other elite clubs.

This isn't about trying to evolve the game of football, this is simply owners wanting a bigger slice of cheese.

7.) 18 Apr 2021 20:21:54
Will the Euro Super League end up like the NFL, with owners having a franchise that they can move to the most lucrative market.

8.) 18 Apr 2021 20:28:46
Just my reading of the situation. We will see if there is going to be a European super league, however, it looks to me like the big clubs have tried to change the status quo for some time but have been thwarted. The premier league has a set number of clubs who will not vote for change, they would lose too much money. They won’t change the TV money or the number of teams in the league. The TV money has likely not been split in the way the top clubs want, they likely want to receive what they see is their true value, after all they will know Liverpool v Real Madrid will coin in far more than Liverpool v Fulham. No disrespect to Fulham.

May be wrong but one way to get change where there are what the top teams will see as intransigence to change after trying everything is to pull the pin and chuck a grenade in, maybe not having the six clubs and far far less money is worse than having them but with less money and a smaller number in the league.

Times change, those screaming like Gary Nev were not shouting that loudly when the Premier League started. Change happens, will it be a European Super league, I don’t know. Personally we know there are too many games now yet no one is willing to grab the issue, maybe now they will.

{Ed002's Note - It would not b a vote for the Premier League.}

9.) 18 Apr 2021 20:52:06
I really don't know the concept as such but just reading the posts makes me wonder is it really such a bad thought. I mean instead of facing Astana or a Turkish unknown would it not be better to compete against Juve or Real Madrid? As such we are not competing to win the Champions League and as Mumbles says we won't be competing to win that. So what difference does this make to us. I may be completely wrong here so inputs are appreciated.

10.) 18 Apr 2021 20:54:32
Football is dead, long live football.

This is all about money. Manchester United, Liverpool Chelsea etc they all know the truth, people around the world tune in and pay a premium to watch them and not Fulham, Sheffield United, or West Brom.

It just so happens that this week the "big clubs are playing one of the smaller clubs this week.

When 30 or 40 million people world wide watch an EPL game, who do you think they want to see? Manchester United or Liverpool or are they watching to see the team they have never heard of.

So you can see the big clubs logic, if it is their name the prestige of their club which is drawing in the audience then why should the other club receive half of the revenue?

It's unsavoury and we don't like to talk about it, but this is just the natural progression. When is fans want to see our club sign the next world star for 100m such as Haaland, then those fans must accept that the money needs to come from somewhere.

We wear United shirts made by poor people in far flung corners of the world, paid a pittence or in some cases not at all.

Same for all the merchandise with a United badge slapped on it.

You're kids Manchester United wallpaper, their Manchester United pajamas, your Manchester United coffee mug or key chain.

People taken advantage of and we are the consumers of that. All to bring glory to our club, to sign the best players and have the best chance to win titles.

So we can hardly take the moral high ground and tut at the next money spinning step like it's gone too far.

When we say we are the biggest club in the world that is though selling our club worldwide.

11.) 18 Apr 2021 20:55:47
This is getting a bit farcical, why is gary neville on the verge of tears on live television lamenting greed when he's own half of manchester and part owns a football club who through massive investment relative to their competition have leapfrogged into league 2.

Also why is the prime minister of the country commenting on this, surely he has more important things to worry about 😂.

12.) 18 Apr 2021 21:23:31
The club's are crapping themselves because the top 4 is no longer guaranteed. We can no longer raid Spurs, Everton, Villa of their best players like we could in the past.

It was all Rosie when football's top table was small enough for the elite clubs to keep getting their slice. Now with major foreign investors and T. V money, competition is a lot higher.

Some of the so call elite can't keep up. A. C. Milan have been brutal for a over a decade, Arsenal have never won the Champions league and are nowhere near good enough to pitted against the elite. Liverpool weren't invited to these talks for the last decade. Take our own club. Havnt won a league in 8 years, consistently embarrassed in the champions league when we do manage to qualify.

This isn't the evolution of the sport. This is rich owners picking up and moving their clubs where they can make more money.

I have no doubt that the structure of the game needs addressing. But moving 20 "elite" clubs to their own boxed off competition will do nothing to improve the sport.

I see responses saying they would rather watch United v Madrid on a Monday instead of United v Burnley. What happens when this becomes the norm? People enjoy the spectacle of a big game, but if there's 10/ 20 big games a week it loses its appeal.

It's like that guy who loves Christmas so much he celebrates it every day. Celebrating it every day is actually counterintuitive because it's no longer special.

Again, this isn't football scholars trying to improve the game, this is vultures fattening up a cow before the strip the bones.

13.) 18 Apr 2021 21:25:37
Football is boring without success or failure, its crept in gradually the need to not necessarily be successful,
Last season we finished 3rd 33 points behind the league winners and 32 points above relegation, that got us into the champions league, we were knocked out of that at the first hurdle possible but we weren't out of Europe, we just changed competition .
It sounds so bad a super league and such a bad idea, but the idea of you don't get punished for failure has been tolerated for quite a while now.

14.) 19 Apr 2021 00:28:16
No fan welcoming this is a match going regular. Something thought up to appease people that are thousands of miles away from these clubs traditional heartlands. Another slap in the face for the working class. Utd will never see another penny from me if this goes ahead.

{Ed0666's Note - hear hear

15.) 19 Apr 2021 07:42:28
Surely it's all just a wind-up to gain some footing in today's UEFA announcements? Why announce it the night before otherwise?

16.) 19 Apr 2021 07:56:52
Working class and people and football became detached strangers a long time ago.

17.) 19 Apr 2021 08:07:53
I blame Michael Knighton and his ball juggling skills, its been all down hill since then.



18 Apr 2021 16:46:24
Hi ed002.

Looks like the Super League is gaining momentum.

What ramifications will this have on the sport if it's introduced 2022/ 23 season?


{Ed002's Note - It won't be.}

1.) 18 Apr 2021 16:53:03
Sorry ed, I didn't see the reply below. Thanks!



12 Apr 2021 13:39:24
So it looks like another season finishing in the top 4 beckons.

While our manager conceded any title challenge with 45 points left to play for, that surely can't be on the menu next season.

If we manage to finish 2nd, a title challenge next season is the minimum for a manager who will be in his 4th year in charge.

So the tough calls that need to be made to get us to the next level.

Do we sign a centre back?
Is the central midfield good enough as it is?
Can the manager find a way to play without two DMs?
What to do with Martial?
Do we sign a RW and impede Greenwood?
Cavani or a replacement?

Once the fans return, the manager will not get away the turgid football we play under him. This team needs to evolve if we want to improve.

Ole has his favourites but some of them will have to be improved upon.

Where do we go from here?


1.) 12 Apr 2021 13:50:53
Although he conceded the challenge he also referenced how we caught up and overtook Leicester last season to finish 3rd.

2.) 12 Apr 2021 13:51:13
I worry about getting another CB, will that not stop Jones reaching his potential with lack of game time?

3.) 12 Apr 2021 14:13:50
We have to be looking at a title challenge next season if progression is to continue to be made. I wanted a 10-15 point improvement to show a bit of progression at the start of the season and it appears that is likely to be delivered.

I appreciate many think winning a trophy is an important sign of progression but I don't think winning a Carabao or FA cup shows we're a good side when compared to picking up a significantly higher number of points in the league does.

In terms of where we go, I think we are still 5 or 6 players away from having a properly balanced squad and as it stands our squad is too big and still has a number of players who aren't going to add much (Lingard, Jones, Grant, Romero, Dalot, Pereira etc) . We also have Cavani, Pogba, VDB, Mata, De Gea and Bailly who have been involved in the squad but have uncertain futures at the club.

Despite this I think we need to prioritise signing a CB, DM and ST. Particularly CB and ST. If we take our best / strongest 11 right now that usually involves Lindelof, Fred and Martial. If we could upgrade all 3 of those players there is no reason in terms of the first 11 we'd have to not be challenging for the league.

As for Ole, I still don't think he's the coach we should have and I still struggle to see a style of play that isn't mainly based on counter attacking. However, based on what I said above, I'd be a hypocrite to call for his sacking as he's delivering an improvement in points during a very strange season. He has his flaws tactically but he's clearly helped the likes of Shaw, Greenwood, Rashford and Martial who have all performed pretty well since his appointment.

There have been so many insipid performances this season, sometimes for parts of games and sometimes for the whole 90 mins. We've been able to turn several of those games around but you can't keep doing that and expect results. Ole has to find a way to make us play like the 2nd half yesterday much more often.

So overall, there's some improvements, there are some things to be positive about but next season is make or break for Ole and there are still several concerns that need to be ironed out.

4.) 12 Apr 2021 14:21:19
Martial is still hit and miss. He is a player who should be moved on. This season he hasn't shown much promise or justified being selected for the first team.

5.) 12 Apr 2021 15:19:05
I think yesterday’s second half shows what we are capable of. My worry is how much investment is needed. We all know we have positions that need to be strengthened, if Cavani and Pogba goes that’s another 2 to address as well. I can see us challenging next year, I can also see us going backwards depending on what investment is made.

We could well see DDG, Lingard, Cavani, Pogba all leave which might generate some funds. Hendo replaced DDG, Lingard hasn’t been near the first team for some time, the other 2 will need addressing.

There seems to be a move to integrate youngsters but I don’t think any of them are going to have a huge immediate impact.

6.) 12 Apr 2021 15:26:49
Stability is the key. Ole has his favourites, never throw them under the bus, protect them and we are a happy place. We have a Britain core who are happy to be here and their mind is not at Madrid or Paris etc so we have stability. He is trying to copy SAFs methods and as a leader of the team until now he is doing a decent job. He is not a good coach but he is a better manager.

7.) 12 Apr 2021 15:44:01
I think Amad Diallo would surprise a few of us, with a little pre season and some game time.
His run for that goal was something our forwards don't do often, he attacked the space.

I would also add Dan James to the list of outgoings, he's not the quality we should be aiming for, and having him in the squad means ole can setup even more defensively.

If we can use him as a bargain to get a raphinha or someone who adds more flair, I would do it in a second.

8.) 12 Apr 2021 15:47:18
I liked yesterdays performance and result but i think yesterdays second half shows (mostly) what Spurs are capable of. They are capable of playing like a relegation side in Championship and its not the first time they score first and the opponent totally dominate them. With Wolves it was the same, with West Ham it was something similar, Brighton totally dominated them, Liverpool totally dominated them, at Newcastle yet again they lost 2 points from a winning position, at Arsenal they were dominated and lost 3 points from a winning position and that's only 6 games comes in my mind.
So is it what Brighton Arsenal Wolves United etc capable of or what Spurs capable of?

9.) 12 Apr 2021 16:16:41
If you look at injury-free Liverpool side, they have

Best GK in world

Best CB

Two of best attacking full backs

One of best DM (two, if include Henderson)

Some of best attackers

The spine - and more - of their team is world class, Liverpool only started winning things when they got the quality players into key positions.

Same for Man City: Ederson - Dias - Fabhino - De Bryce etc

For us to get that quality, we need works class CB, DM, RW plus striker. I think we’re all happy with GK, LB, RB, CM and LW. Thus ideally get Torres, Rice, Sancho/ Sarr/ Raphina plus Kane (lol! )

OR bring in the youngsters to blood so they can do the Fledglings thing in a few years? (Garner, Mengi, Amad, Hannibal, McNeil, Hugill)

10.) 12 Apr 2021 16:16:41
If you look at injury-free Liverpool side, they have

Best GK in world

Best CB

Two of best attacking full backs

One of best DM (two, if include Henderson)

Some of best attackers

The spine - and more - of their team is world class, Liverpool only started winning things when they got the quality players into key positions.

Same for Man City: Ederson - Dias - Fabhino - De Bryce etc

For us to get that quality, we need works class CB, DM, RW plus striker. I think we’re all happy with GK, LB, RB, CM and LW. Thus ideally get Torres, Rice, Sancho/ Sarr/ Raphina plus Kane (lol! )

OR bring in the youngsters to blood so they can do the Fledglings thing in a few years? (Garner, Mengi, Amad, Hannibal, McNeil, Hugill)

11.) 12 Apr 2021 16:22:36
Herrera, that's a good point. Spurs do set up to sit back once they have the lead. That can embolden the opposition and gives them the chance to play their way back into the game.

That tactic might work if Spurs had any good defenders, but they don't. Shutting up shop and inviting pressure onto the weakest part of your side is just plain stupid. Jose was doing it in his final season with us, inviting pressure on our weak defence then wondering why we concede. Clearly he hasn't learned a bloody thing.

12.) 12 Apr 2021 17:14:13
Allisson best gk in the world? Grow up.

13.) 12 Apr 2021 17:55:29
I'm not sure he is the best goal keeper at Liverpool.

14.) 12 Apr 2021 18:05:22
Yes Shappy but i don't believe the instructions from Mourinho are to sit so deep. Not any more. He said a lot of times in interviews that he did tell them to go forward more often but his players just couldn't. I totally believe him in this.
I think the problem with Mourinho is that he is a reactive coach. He is afraid to press high and his team's can't defend from upfront. Additionally can't have more possesion and more time with the ball. So they leave the ball at opponents, his opponents aren't pressed and comes easily until the opposition's half and then the pressure goes at defence. So I don't think that staying at low block is an instruction, it is the only option for a group of players that don't know how to press upfront and can't keep the ball a lot of time (keeping the ball is the best part of the defencive job at City) .

15.) 12 Apr 2021 18:48:55
Herrera, I just don't believe that at all. Pochettino was a high pressing manager, he demanded his team press from the front.

The team Jose took over was full of players who could press from the front. Kane, Son, Lamela, Sisoko, Lo Celso, Alli, and Moura are all players who can press in the attacking areas.

While they have plenty of hard working midfielders who can do so as well.

If they aren't pressing high it's because they are coached not to.

16.) 12 Apr 2021 20:07:23
But that's what i said Shappy (or at least i tried to say) . Mourinho is afraid to press high. He is afraid that when an opponent break the press it could be a disaster. And i am sure he doesn't coach his team to press as a unit. He is reactive and pathetic.

17.) 13 Apr 2021 09:29:34
Utd's spine is woeful. Henderson, Maguire, McTominay (open to debate but Pogba isn't playing centrally), Cavani.
Only Cavani is world class out of that lot, and chances are he's on his way, with Martial coming back in. Of course Bruno would count but his position isn't really part of a traditional spine, ie one player from each position. An overhaul is an understatement!

18.) 14 Apr 2021 09:28:53

19.) 14 Apr 2021 10:20:05
It's clear we have at best an average team that needs major work right through the spine. It's why I'm so surprised that everyone thinks the team is under performing currently.

Those two statements seem completely at odds with each other.

People think we have a team with no spine that needs at least another 4 or 5 first choice players, but at the same time expects us with half a team to challenge for the title against two of the best sides in EPL history.



10 Apr 2021 14:34:53
Very frustrating looking at that table thinking what could have been. I'm not for one second saying we should be winning the league, but we should have been in touching distance to City. Putting some sort of pressure on them.


1.) 10 Apr 2021 14:41:57
City made changes they are crusing to the title they have a qf 2nd leg midweek and most likley had there minds in that game.

2.) 10 Apr 2021 14:41:59
The City collapse has begun, tighten your belts its going to be an exciting run in.

3.) 10 Apr 2021 14:48:22
Nope. It won't happen. And even if there was some glimmer of hope of a collapse, Ole would find a way to muck it up.

4.) 10 Apr 2021 15:32:22
City are sitting top without their top scorer and talisman Kun Aguero for most part of the season.

5.) 10 Apr 2021 16:50:34
TRD, you are right. But don't forget we have been all season without Phil Jones, Just imagine where we might be if he had been fit.

6.) 10 Apr 2021 18:00:03
I think the opposite. Where we are flattering us. Looking at table i only think what if we hadn't a big amount of luck in the first half of the season, some referee desicions going our way and (or) Chelsea changing manager earlier.
I think all things went out way and we are second. Unless something change i see us being the fourth or fifth favourites next season.

7.) 10 Apr 2021 18:17:04
Aaarrrggghhhh. Fourth or fifth favourites? Over a long season we are currently second, that isn’t luck, that’s because there is only currently one team better than us. Seriously, the amount of rampant negativity on here is ridiculous. I’m not defending a Ole, I’m not saying we are great t watch, I am not saying everything is great, but I am saying that currently we are the second best team and we deserve to be where we are. Jesus, some people.

8.) 10 Apr 2021 18:30:17
Tony, have a snickers, you're not you when you're hungry.

9.) 10 Apr 2021 18:52:53
I don't really find it frustrating, I think we will finish second and deservedly so . Which is probably more than I was expecting at the start of the season.

10.) 10 Apr 2021 19:14:41
It's been a poor season for all. City were bad and took awhile to get going.

We let them walk away with the league. Hopefully we can win our two games in hand.

We still managed to batter Leeds and Southampton. Results like that have not been seen for years.

11.) 10 Apr 2021 20:04:43
Agree Tony. It is like every single snippet of information just gets twisted into negativity. It's draining. Imagine if we were 6th.

It's okay to be okay with the season. It doesn't mean were settling for mediocrity. Everyone has different views about how we should improve, but surely people can see 2nd place as a reasonably solid season?

We had a fair few lost points from late goals in injury time aswell, so the luck has balanced out over the season.

And we haven't secured 2nd yet by the way. Need a strong finish to the season.

12.) 10 Apr 2021 20:06:21
Whats the problem with some people? This year i think we are lucky and all things went out way and we are second. For me that doesn't mean we are ready and ready to compete and build from our second position (if we are second in the end) .

I think next year at least City Liverpool and Chelsea will be in front of us and we will be fourth or fifth favourites. Is it negativity or truth? Am i negative or are the others wear red glasses? let's wait and see.

For the record i said the very same thing on Mourinhos second finish on differences place but not here. At the time i didn't write too much here but as far as you know me you understanding that I wasn't convinced from the low block and misery football i was seeing? Do you?

13.) 10 Apr 2021 20:25:53
I don't think we are "deservedly" second. This year City is first in a one horse race for first place and we are second in one horse race for second place.
We have 51 expected points, 11 less than Chelsea, 3 less than Liverpool, 4 more than West Ham and 2 more than Brighton. I keep said from the first half of the season that we get more than we deserve and (we were first then) we could compete only if we improve dramatically and they (City mainly) keep being in such a bad form. From then we went from being first to second place 14 points behind with two games in hand. But some people don't like the truth and that's fine by me.
But for me what's really negative is get used to mediocrity and some fans doing exactly this. Keep going.

14.) 10 Apr 2021 20:26:38
Personally think we are doing ok. 2-3 new faces needed as always each summer though to keep improving - and I mean starters not promising youth players.

15.) 10 Apr 2021 20:48:41
Expected points 🤦🏼‍♂️ I prefer to judge on actual points.

16.) 10 Apr 2021 20:54:58
GDS2 even better i prefer to judge on what i am seeing. And what i am seeing is not good. So if you are ok being second because others are bad or unlucky etc fair enough. I fully expect next year with "normal" Liverpool and a better Chelsea from the start to be fourth of fifth favourites. let's wait and see who is wrong and who is wright.

17.) 10 Apr 2021 21:28:01
Expected points and luck .
Some of the views I have read baffle me.

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18.) 10 Apr 2021 22:52:40
We are 2nd because we deserve to be. A couple of dodgy patches early on and a few weeks ago. Apart from this 2 spells the league results have been good.
The football ino is dire to watch and I don't think it makes any suffered who we sign i still think our football will continue to be dire to watch.
I don't think we are lucky to be where we are but I'm also with herrera in thinking that we will start next season as possibly 4th favs behind liverpool City and Chelsea.

19.) 10 Apr 2021 22:56:19
The truth baffles you, i see. We can stop watching football and see only the league table if you want. Then there is no point for sites to exist or debating for anything because "the table never lies".
Sometimes expected points table is a better review of the season. As 001 have said the season have not enough games to sometimes produce a fair result (a fair league table) so there are anomalies.
You went there again in the past with Mourinho which you think we are a good team because we finished second only to understand that it was an anomaly. And that didn't make you wiser.

20.) 10 Apr 2021 23:21:33
I personally have no idea what the expected points table is or why it woukd be a better review of the season.
I am baffled.

21.) 10 Apr 2021 23:55:28
We are starting to be scared of ghosts and demons. Next year is a new year. Everyone has the chance to be better. Let's not concede the first three places to city, liverpool and chelsea quite yet hey?

We win we're lucky. We lose or draw we got what we deserved. Maybe we just had a fairly solid season with a couple of bad spells. If we win our games in hand we are a within 3 wins of city. A city team that everyone is saying is the best assembled squad in the history of the EPL. So are we having a solid season? Or is it a disaster.

22.) 11 Apr 2021 00:23:44
Ken the results are good. The results are better than others teams results and that's what the Premier League table show: the results. So we have the second best results in the league. that's a fact.
What i am saying is that we are not automatically the second best team, i wish we were. If next season all teams starts with the same squad and same coaches then i would expect us to finish 4 or 5. This season is an anomaly and i can clearly see 3 teams who convince me more, three teams that play or can play better football.
"Table never lies" is the biggest lie. Back at 2018 we finished second and Liverpool were 4 (? ) . It was Liverpool that i put my money on next year to win the League. It was clear and obvious which is the better team despite the fact that we finished higher than them.

23.) 11 Apr 2021 00:47:38
You misunderstood the situation and try to seem the "positives guys". In the OP Mumbles says that he is frustrated looking at table thinking what could have being.
I simply disagree because it's not like we are second and could make better because we were unlucky or we are better than that. Its not like we have a higher cell and we are underachieving.
We are second overachieving in terms of results and having a big amount of luck. So i disagree with the OP and i am not frustrated looking at the table thinking what could have been because we couldn't be any higher and we don't deserve to be higher.
Then i think we could see this the other way. We can see the table and see where we should be if Brighton didn't hit the bar 5 times, if the diflection with Wolves didn't go in, if the first goal at West Ham disallowed, if referees had seen Maguires penalty against Chelsea etc.
So how can we be frustrated? With some decent performances, some referring decisions and a some luck we are overachieving and we are at our points celling.

24.) 11 Apr 2021 01:32:26
Give it up Herrera,

We have had a couple of crazy disallowed goals. A couple of late goals against.

The luck swings both ways in football. I know you think the sky is falling and we are a league one level team. Somehow cheating everyone out of our league position. But that is simply not true. We deserve to be where we are. No matter how many times you bring up this strange view that we do not.

Next year is a new year year. And everyone gets the chance to be a but better. Except city, who are no allowed, the epl have just decided.

25.) 11 Apr 2021 07:43:41
We haven’t finished second yet. However, I understand Herrera’s point. Next season when City have Pep, Liverpool will be better under Klopp, Chelsea have a top manager in Tuchel then expectation is 4th. I think Herrera is expressing the point that he/ she has no confidence in Ole to do better given the football seen.

I am with Ken, the football has been as bad as Sextons and Ole sets up to be solid and not lose first and foremost. Ole has not yet displayed he can take any team at this level to win a significant prize (and I don’t include the Europa League) . I think he didn’t win the Norwegian league or even a Norwegian cup in his last couple of years with Molde, yet he is our saviour.

Some excuse the football on offer yet were very vociferous about Mourinho’s.

Unless we upgrade the manager I can’t see is winning the league next season either.

26.) 11 Apr 2021 08:00:39
Herrera, when you’re in a hole, stop digging. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but frankly this one is pants. The fact you keep posting trying to justify it is isn’t helping mate. Let’s all ignore we are currently second and worry about next year.

I have no idea what next year looks like yet but we are second on merit.

27.) 11 Apr 2021 08:47:03
Expected points, expected goals. all a load of rubbish. The table at the end of the season never lies.

28.) 11 Apr 2021 09:26:24
Why are people telling Herrera to stop posting his opinion? Ok, disagree with him and say why but telling him to stop making his point, give it up and that his opinion is rubbish is wrong.

29.) 11 Apr 2021 09:54:52
Red Man, Herrera is a good lad but he’s made a pretty silly point and is now digging in to justify it. I don’t think anyone is saying the football is good or that Ole is the man to win us things, but the league table doesn’t lie after 30 games. To talk about expected points and decide we are lucky may be his opinion, but it doesn’t hold water. Unbeaten away for over a year, come from behind more than any other team, second highest goals scored.

Ole has become very negative lately, the team is hard to watch at times, we still have some positions to address, some players are not playing well, we haven’t sought to win games but settles for trying to grab a winner. All that is true, but that doesn’t mean we are lucky to be second or that we are the fourth or fifth best team in the league,

30.) 11 Apr 2021 10:41:28

I don’t look at expected points or whatever that is, is it silly? I don’t know but it is his opinion so is entitled to express it . Still there is no reason to try to cancel Herrera’s opinion on here. Disagree is fine but cancel him? If people can’t get someone to change their opinion they try to cancel it, and that’s what it felt like with Herrera.

Hard to watch, yes very, we are playing to ensure we don’t lose, yet only away at Grenada, whose team cost £8m to assemble. We were frightened to lose, awful.

The league table doesn’t lie, but second this season doesn’t mean progression given how we get those points especially as we can’t see a new improved structure of play that will be consistent or more importantly that we will mount a serious title challenge next season.

31.) 11 Apr 2021 11:05:26
People will attack you saying you are negative Red Man because that suits them. The only negative i see in out case is our football which makes me sleep sometimes and even more people that continue to support this misery football because of the league table.
But it was my fault anyway because we got there a lot of times . People lowered the bar and get used at mediocrity. What they see, it seems good for them because of the league table. People (and i) had problem with the "we have no football heritage" of Jose but have no problem with "trophies are for egos" and try to find excuses that its not as bad as it seems to be.
Time will tell if we are in a false position (and that's my point) or not. If we are the second best team, and with a low age average, then we will only get better and next season we will be even better. And that's what i wish too. If we are in a false position because others underachieving etc then we will fight for the 4th spot next season. So time will tell. But it was my mistake anyway because we get there many times and there is no point trying to debate with people not want to. Because we are second after all, table never lies and we are fine.

32.) 11 Apr 2021 11:19:03
Redman - if we finish with more points than last season that’s progression. Simple as. Everything else re style etc is just your subjective opinion.

Herrera - were you as negative when we used to top the league and win it? Surely when we won titles it was because we were the best team having amassed the most points. Why are not currently the second best team? Baffling logic on here sometimes.

33.) 11 Apr 2021 11:30:05
If we finish 2nd this year that will be after 3rd the season before.
If it is luck it's sustained luck.

34.) 11 Apr 2021 14:12:27
Halesini that's the beloved old debate, who is the negative and who is the positive. The one that attacks and says the other poster negative, thinks that automatically is the positive one and that he is a better fan who understand the ethos etc. Congratulations you are a positive fan 😄
How well it gone last time you were so positive about finishing second with Mourinho and the table didn't lie etc etc? You can ask yourself.
AJH you make a big mistake believing that i made a silly comment and i am trying to justify it. You did it again in the past. You came here again and said the same thing about "when you are in a hole" etc. What i am doing is making my point clear and making some comments to answer the "attacks". As simple as that.
You overestimate yourself if you believe that i made a silly comment and then i am trying to justify it. I simply have nothing to prove to you and ofcourse you have nothing to prove to me.



21 Mar 2021 20:38:22
Surely De Gea is back in between the sticks after the international break.

Another woeful error from Henderson today for their 3rd goal. Becoming a habit?


1.) 21 Mar 2021 21:05:29
To be fair, how many did De Gea make when we first signed him?

2.) 21 Mar 2021 21:33:42
When Dave joined there wasn't a better keeper on the bench Sepp. There is now.

3.) 21 Mar 2021 22:20:06
Mumbles afraid I'll have to disagree. I'm not saying Henderson was not to blame at all but that goal was squarely down to Mct. He gave the free kick away then totally lost his player. I know u don't rate Henderson but not sure De Gea is any better. Henderson takes control of his area and is far more communicative than Ddg. Ddg's decline has been quite something. Each to their own I guess but I personally prefer Henderson out of the 2.

4.) 21 Mar 2021 23:44:35
I would disagree De Gea is a better keeper now based on his past 3 seasons. Plenty of mistakes he has made. Henderson clearly rated and expect him to be the keeper long term.

I think United need to do some major trimming of their wage bill and suspect De Gea, Pogba, Martial and 3 or 4 others will all be off this summer.

5.) 21 Mar 2021 23:57:36
The fault for the 3rd goal was Scotts for falling asleep. He had an easy defensive header to clear the danger.

6.) 22 Mar 2021 00:37:45
Errors or not, today can’t be blamed on Henderson. We were collectively awful.

7.) 22 Mar 2021 01:55:14
I don't think De Gea made more and worst mistakes overall. His mistakes were from set pieces mainly because he wasn't that strong and they targeted him. But it was clear he is something special, something it worths the waiting and the patience. Is it the case with Henderson? I wish but i don't see it.




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06 Mar 2021 15:00:25
If the purse strings are to be tightened next year, then is it not even more imperative that we have a coach who is actually good at coaching and improving players?




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22 Jan 2021 16:55:24
Can you name the side ed?

How would this transfer work since we activated his 1 year extension? We would have to negotiate a few with the buying club and then negotiate a share of that fee with Pogba?


{Ed002's Note - PSG - I explained a week or so ago.}



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25 Aug 2020 19:17:22
Realistically what clubs could afford him?

I think he's a year or two too young for the MLS.

Us, City, Chelsea, PSG, Juventus and Inter are probably the ones who may afford him but this year, who knows?

He obviously has somewhere lined up. My guess would be City.




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23 Aug 2020 18:43:04
That departure list is tough to read. So much wasted money on wages and pissing clubs off.

There were some posters when me, Shappy and others were exposing that Sancho and Grealish were too expensive, we were told "the club know what they're doing". Have a read of that and say that again.

Thanks for taking your time ed to do this, very much appreciated.




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22 Aug 2020 17:38:40
Definetely Shappy. He would be a very astute signing. Seems to a stigma on players who don't make it at the top clubs. He could be a very good addition to our squad.





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19 Apr 2021 15:24:00
No they wouldn't Grim, that's the problem.

We'll have created a new God tier of football that is unattainable to the rest of the football world.




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19 Apr 2021 14:24:29
Shaw, what happens when Leicester win back to back league titles. Do They not deserve a crack at the top European trophies?

Arsenal and Spurs in a Super League? You're having a laugh!

We struggle to consistently finish in the top 4 of our league and people think this is a good idea?




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19 Apr 2021 13:49:22
Shappy. You couldn't have put more rubbish in that post if you tried mate.

First of all the club's know damn well they can't just start their own tournament and get away with it. If you think the domestic game is not under threat because of this then you're wrong!

Talking about the Premier League or Champions league is a different kettle of fish. This isn't a re-branding of a competition, it is the start of a new federation of football. They will not coexist.

You're going to "wait and see" what transpires. The same 15 teams given an extra 400 million quid a year is going to improve the game?

As for your Brexit comment. As something from Ireland who works for the Department of Foreign affairs, I can tell that the number of U. K citizens who have enquired about Irish citizenship is in the hundreds of thousands. Thousands can't work abroad, thousands have lost businesses abroad. Just because it hasn't affected You, doesn't mean there isn't a tough road ahead for millions of citizens across the U. K.

You're economical situation wasn't affected and as a United fan you'll benefit from the Super League, but this isn't about where your allegiances lay. This is about the greater good.

Billionaire owners moving to a competition with no incentive to do well is a catastrophic event for the sport.

If you think the Glazers, Kronke, FSG give two rubbishs about the landscape of football they'll leave when they cash out you're incredibly naive.

Make no mistake. Football is under attack by men and women who would would burn it to the ground to make money.

You can wait and see what happens but by then it will be far too late.




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19 Apr 2021 10:37:59
You have been talking about this for a long time ed. Looks like your crystal ball was right.

How do you see it panning out?


{Ed002's Note - I see it dragging on and the courts becoming involved and discussions between the "elite" clubs group this week (which includes most of the sides involved in this proposal), perhaps follow up counter offers from two other factions, and at some point discussions with UEFA and FIFA. But a letter has already been drafted and sent saying legal action will be taken by SLCo and is already in hand.}



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19 Apr 2021 10:29:37
They know they will be expelled from these competitions, giving them no choice to but to play the Super League in place of domestic competitions.

Ken, we will end up the Barnsley of the Super League. You won't won't to go and watch United being thumped week in week out will You?

Our owners can't compete domestically with City or Liverpool. Add Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus into that mix and we havnt a hope.