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29 Aug 2019 10:34:45
Hi ed002. Hope all is well. Are there any of our fringe players attracting any interest from any European teams at the minute?
Thanks!
{Ed002's Note - Smalling is of interest to Roma who are fast running out of options. Pogba is of interest to Real Madrid but they are looking to someone else now. Rojo remains of interest to Fenerbahce and Matteo Darmian to Inter but both look unlikely.}
1.) 29 Aug 2019 13:03:24
Very kind Ed, thank you.
2.) 29 Aug 2019 20:18:42
Inter taking all of our unwanted players.
06 Aug 2019 07:24:03
Dybala deal back on after he finally had a meeting with Sarri? They should bin the transfer window altogether. This year has been the most tedious in memory.
1.) 06 Aug 2019 08:17:10
Where have you heard this, Mumbles?
2.) 06 Aug 2019 08:21:05
Mumbles, I think due to the many platforms accessible today, the transfer windows have become incredibly more tedious.
I'm sure that all of this went on years ago but news was only made available in the form of paper.
Now its everywhere. More rubbish than ever too. I'd imagine years ago, 'journalists' actually work hard to confirm and corroborate stories. So called journalists today are just regurgitating any news for clicks sake.
Man united are a big story and more is written about the club because more people will click on the story and the clicks mean revenue for the site.
Twitter is the devil during the transfer window lol.
3.) 06 Aug 2019 08:23:37
Apparently, Alfredo Pedulla (reliable in Italy, I hope) mentioned something is back on the table. Not too sure, though. I think it's just lousy paper/ journo talk.
4.) 06 Aug 2019 08:43:37
Some Italian journalist Alfredo Pedulla who's close to Sarri said he's willing to accept our offer. How true it is I don't know. It may be Juventus' last attempt to force the lad out the door.
We'll know how true it is in the coming days.
5.) 06 Aug 2019 10:37:24
I quite enjoy the chaos of the transfer window. Providing we end up with the right players once the window has shut, I’m happy to go along for the ride.
I’d still be happy with Dybala providing he cane for the right reasons and gave his all. I can’t blame the lad for looking for a big pay check, but am a little worried by how big the numbers we are hearing are.
6.) 06 Aug 2019 11:04:28
A Juve fan friend of mine told me some behind the scenes stuff that triggered the proposed sale of Dybala.
Apparently in the latter part of the season, Dybala when to the training ground with a list of demands for an improved contract. Juventus felt his demands were not justified and decided to ship him out.
According to him he ll end up at Psg who already informed him they re ready to meet his demands.
7.) 06 Aug 2019 11:37:39
I don't see we returning to Dybala, he has already acted like a mercenary and will only complicate things if he is to come and join.
Saying that we did look below average in midfield when Pogba is not playing and when Matic is there. So if we can add a solid midfielder to the fold then we will be set. I still feel we will get one more first team player in before the window shuts on thursday.
8.) 06 Aug 2019 11:58:08
dev1i. lol Seriously?
sounds total bs.
9.) 06 Aug 2019 13:05:12
My auntie is called Flo and she is an old lady and her bingo friend Doris said that her butchers window cleaner said that a bloke in the Eagle and Child told him that you can tell dev1i anything and he will believe it . and i mean anything 😄😄.
10.) 06 Aug 2019 13:23:55
BFRO I thought it was a song and tried to rap till I saw dev1i.
11.) 06 Aug 2019 13:41:15
@Truedevil when it s too good it probably isn't. Especially when it concerns Juventus.
I think Dybala will soon be gone, and most probably Costa too. However they ll manage to get good money for them even if they want them out.
12.) 06 Aug 2019 14:06:04
Pedulla is the best when it comes to Sarri coached teams. The best after our very Eds of course :)
13.) 06 Aug 2019 14:29:26
I find the eagle an child a bit cramped. I assume you mean the one in oxford.
14.) 06 Aug 2019 17:10:25
No Mort Ramsbottom near Bury.
15.) 06 Aug 2019 17:10:40
Romano tweets definitely off lol.
02 Jul 2019 08:22:16
Morning ed002. Today the lucky player to be joining us is Dani Olmo. Have we shown any interest in him?
{Ed002's Note - Lots of sides have looked but turned away at the ridiculous asking price. Not the answer for MU but perhaps thay don't care.}
1.) 02 Jul 2019 10:15:00
Thank's ed. Is he well thought of or is it clubs drinking the Croatian kool aid?
Seems like United are being used yet again in the media to try and drum up interest.
{Ed002's Note - They are talking to Bayer Leverkusen about him - or at least were last week. Milan, Genoa, Crystal Palace and West Ham balked at the asking price.}
18 Jun 2019 00:27:56
Word on the grape vine is, Barcelona have more pressing areas in their squad than signing De Ligt. He's been advised against PSG. Looks like it could be between us and Juventus. If we could secure him, it would be a major coup. A young vocal leader is what we are desperately missing. Here's hoping we have some solid news in the next few days!
1.) 18 Jun 2019 07:14:24
The best move for the player would be to Juventus. Always has been in my eyes.
2.) 18 Jun 2019 09:41:29
Not sure about him. For the money there is better available in the market. Expectations on a child to pull a rotten defence together is not optimal.
3.) 18 Jun 2019 10:20:35
The best move for the player is the premier league, no doubt about it. He knows it, has already went on record saying it, the most competitive league is a good place for a supposed once in a generation defender to grow.
Unfortunately, we are not in a position where such signings ( along with Sancho ofc) who are targeted by Europe's elite will come to us. Mourinho and less so Van Gaal had the gravitas to at least show that the team is led by a proven winner and it s only a matter of time until we get back there.
4.) 18 Jun 2019 10:35:53
The best club for him right now will be Barcelona where Pique can guide him. He will also have FDJ for settling in.
Next would be Juventus, where he can learn from the likes of Chellini and Bonucci.
In the above 2 clubs, the main attention would be on Messi and Cristiano which means lesser pressure on him.
31 May 2018 07:02:14
Before we start this is only something iv read. Its a nice old school rumour with a story. I'm paraphrasing a bit but apparently our new sleeve sponsor is "Kohler" (an American manufacturing comapny) .
So the story goes that the guy who brokered the deal let it slip to someone that we have activated Griezmann''s release clause. Him accepting our offer is a different matter. Either way he won't be announcing where he's going until after the world cup.
If the the sleeve sponsor announced in the next two weeks is Kohler, then maybe this has legs.
Woodward is always looking for the big "markee" signing. Maybe Antoine is it?
1.) 31 May 2018 07:28:53
Mumbles I read exactly the same thing last night and not going to lie it got me very excited. I am very sceptical but there could be some truth in it. I would have thought Barcelona would have had this deal wrapped by now. But I think there is something to do with his release clause being activated at a certain date. I would love griezmann he is my preferred no 1 signing this summer. At least will if we announce the Koehler sleeve sponsor then perhaps we can get excited by this.
2.) 31 May 2018 09:07:19
I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of a strategy to get Bale, There is obvious interest in Bale and the numbers being quoted since he scored in the final seem to have increased maybe this is our way of saying if the price is to much we can go elsewhere. The good thing for us is there is a lot of top talent available just now so hopefully we don't get held to ransom as much as normal. Saying that with the names being thrown around looking for a move in the summer anyone else massively regretting buying Sanchez.
3.) 31 May 2018 09:30:52
Havent seen those Griezman rumours but its always struck me as odd that JM hasn't kept him in the frame . obviously wanted him and by all accounts we were close to getting him - now he is "available" again, human nature says JM just suddenly would not be interested in him -yes we got RL "instead" Fergie always wanted Batistuta, Van Persie, Lewondowski . so I can imagine JM has always considerd Griezeman as one that got away.
Griezeman meets EDS galatico policy and JM likes him a lot. so its not completely impossible just very doubtful to me.
Martial leaving puts a new slant on it all, if that's what happens this summer as the lad seems unsettled.
4.) 31 May 2018 10:03:11
Martial keeps his counsel very close to his chest too which I do like. Has he been quoted anywhere saying he is keen to leave or indeed stay?
5.) 31 May 2018 10:45:29
First time I've heard of kohler so well done to them.
6.) 31 May 2018 23:44:33
Read the Kohler would like a partnership with Koke also.
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13 Oct 2019 22:21:36
Our yearly wage bill has been released. £332 million. £85 million more than Liverpool, £90 more than City. Granted that was for 2018/ 19 season and we've got some high wages off the books.
Crazy to think what that budget could achieve if we had the proper structure in place to succeed.
1.) 14 Oct 2019 04:22:14
85mn more than liverpool is believable but I am sure the city folk must be paying a lot of unofficial wages that aren't on their books.
2.) 14 Oct 2019 05:59:53
Overpaid mercenaries.
3.) 14 Oct 2019 12:45:16
Stop blaming players for the club’s stupidity.
If the club is stupid enough to throw money at players who are either not good enough, not right for the club, or just can’t be arsed, why shouldn’t they take it?
4.) 14 Oct 2019 13:44:40
Danny. If they take those wages, they should work their ass off.
But what do we have?
Players with attitude problems and donkeys with little work ethic.
5.) 14 Oct 2019 14:13:41
Again, that’s down to the club.
They identified the players, they gave them the wages, and they can’t get them to ‘work their assess off’.
If you keep bringing in employees who don’t work and perform to their potential, there’s either a problem with recruitment, workplace culture or both.
We kept bringing in players with poor attitudes, and this is the result. Fellaini said that most of the young lads can’t wait to get off the training pitch so they can get on social media. This is a problem with workplace culture created by the club bringing in the wrong personalities.
6.) 14 Oct 2019 15:53:38
It s becoming clear now why no more players were signed in Summer.
The club decided it must balance the books first after the senseless spending in the last few years.
7.) 14 Oct 2019 18:34:18
I agree dev.
8.) 14 Oct 2019 18:35:26
Wow, what a wage bill. Time for wages to be capped and only topped up with goals, clean sheets and wins.
9.) 14 Oct 2019 18:54:53
What happened over the last year is that club realised that they have made a complete mess of recruitment over the last decade, but decided not to change any of their recruitment structures, and left the squad woefully short as they scrambled to get back some of the money they wasted.
10 Oct 2019 13:02:55
Ed002 you often mention clubs getting advice from 3rd parties. How does this come about? Are they ex pros? People with a good track record of recommending a player or manager? Or are they often just agents trying to get their clients a job?
{Ed002's Note - Typically they are well placed to help facilitate - so if MU were interested in a potential replacement for the coach, they might make an enquiry through a third party to find out if he or she would be interested in such a move. That may include talking to the coaches agent and could eventually lead to Manchester United making a formal approach to the other club. Sometimes they will take advice over potential options for certain positions they are finding hard to fill. Sometimes owners have advisers and some may act on that advice and some my not. Those involved may be ex coaches, some scouts, some agents - and some mau have been players at one time of other.}
1.) 10 Oct 2019 14:15:10
Much appreciated Ed.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}
09 Oct 2019 14:21:30
A fair few "media" sources saying we are looking at Allegri. They must be slowly reading through the Man Utd Rumours archive and just reached 2015.
1.) 09 Oct 2019 16:55:01
Allegri is the sort of manager we need right now. We need to forget about playing styles for the minute.
How we win is currently less important than making sure we win.
We are in a awful mess and we need a more experienced manager to see us through, someone who can be diplomatic with those above them and can control the ego's in the dressing room.
Names like Allegri, Blanc, Wenger and Benitez are the type of managers we need to be looking at if we are to replace Ole.
2.) 09 Oct 2019 17:28:07
Shappy, that all depends on whether we can get Allegri back onside after messing him about. I do hope we are trying. I know it's an old cliche, but we really do need to go back to basics and for the reasons you mentioned, he'd be a stellar choice.
3.) 09 Oct 2019 17:53:44
I heard that Pogba would stay if Allegri was appointed and the only one stopping the sacking of Ole is Woodward. We need to look at an Allegri or Poch type, however Poch would be expensive to buy out. I would have Wenger short term if we want to wait to the end of the season.
It appears they perhaps don’t want a new manager to be in place for the Liverpool game, making Ole a potential sacrificial lamb, knowing defeat could be the end. Just a mess, an indecisive mess.
{Ed002's Note - Is this all on Twitter then?}
4.) 09 Oct 2019 18:04:59
I would like Poch or Nagelsmann.
5.) 09 Oct 2019 23:08:24
I rate Pochettino, but still have a few reservations about him. It has all gone sideways for him at Spurs this season, and sadly currently Spurs have a much better and stable set up behind the scenes. If Pochettino is unable to steer the ship that is HMS Hotspur back on track then I do wonder if he has the ability to do so with the giant of a club that we are while we are in the dire mess we find ourselves currently.
It might be a gamble too far when what we need is as close to absolute certainty.
Allegri is a great manager, yet he didn't set the world alight at AC Milan. A club who's current predicament most closely resembles what we are going through. He also speaks limited English and has never managed in England (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure he has ever managed outside of Italy) .
The same can be said for Blanc having only managed club football in France, but titles with both Bordeaux and PSG is impressive. He also speaks English and he knows the club.
Wenger at his age would only be a stop gap, a good short term custodian while the club gets the rest of its affairs in order. i.e director of football etc.
Rafa Benitez could also be a solid option, successful everywhere he has gone. The only blot on his copy book from a United fan perspective is his stint in charge of Liverpool. Yet he would be an excellent choice.
6.) 10 Oct 2019 06:55:50
Hi Ed
No not all, the Pogba would stay for Allegri was from someone on Twitter.
02 Oct 2019 12:59:49
It looks like Pochettino is coming to the end of his time at White Heart Lane. I think if we are to get out of this slump, we are going to need a coach who has a record of improving individuals and making the team greater than the sum of its parts.
We will see a major overhaul of the team over the next few years. It is a pivotal time that we are on an upward curve so we can attract the players we need to move up the league. Will players of the sufficient quality want go join if we fail to finish in the top 4/ 6?
Breaks my heart that Ole is not cut out for the job but he hasn't impressed tactically. Which players in the team has he improved? Are we a team that is underachieving or are these group of players the 6th best team in the league?
Poch is exactly what we need. Knows the league, has a clear style of play. Carries himself well. Not afraid to play youth. He is everything Ole talks about doing without delivering any of it.
The only sad part of this is that we will have to go through another horrible patch before Ole will go and that is not something anyone wants to see. Ole will have to get it right very quickly or we should be doing everything in our power to bring Pochettino in.
1.) 02 Oct 2019 14:25:30
With Zidane looking dodgy and Madrid top of La Liga, why would Poch come to us?
2.) 02 Oct 2019 15:15:46
you could get pep in to manage us and this team would still be where we are,
we have a few decent players but that's not enough, we are an average team that needs at least 6 or 7 players to come in.
but yet again the manager is taking the brunt of it.
3.) 02 Oct 2019 15:34:13
Mumbles,
Will the same people who let Moyes go into a season with just Fellaini signed without any of his top targets, blocked Mourinho from making the changes he saw fit, from giving him a CB and then gave Smalling and Jones new contracts and let Herrera, Lukaku, Fellaini, Sanchez go without any replacement be in charge if Pochetino arrives?
If so, nothing will change. Its just another good manager with a good reputation that we will destroy.
To answer your question. This squad, at least the first 11 is not even a top 6 first 11. I would put City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester as the best first 11s in the league in that order. Probably squads too.
Two midfielders and a right winger were an absolute necessity at the start of the summer even before selling Lukaku and Sanchez after which a striker is also a necessity.
4.) 02 Oct 2019 15:37:17
Mumbles - sorry but disagree re us needing Poch. His teams reach a certain level and then break up, players moving on and it seems like big issues at spurs atm . Would rather grovel to Allegri for the summer when he will be available as he is still in some sort of contract with Juve: get rid of 5 of our existing and bring in a mix of first team players and squad players whilst promoting certain youth players.
5.) 02 Oct 2019 16:08:24
Allegri doesn't play attractive football though.
6.) 02 Oct 2019 16:25:34
For me the issues run too deep to bring any other manager in right now.
Sadly I don't see Ole as being the long term solution, although I would love to be proven wrong.
The decks still need clearing, we have at least half a dozen players who need to be moved on. Either too old to be a long term member of the squad (Matic, Mata and Young), not good enough to be in the squad (Jones, Rojo, Andreas Pereira) or players who should only be squad players (Smalling, Fred, Lingard) . We then have players who maybe don't want to be here (Pogba and Sanchez) or players who due to their inability to stay fit should be moved on (Bailly, Martial? ) .
That leave us next to nothing to work with.
I think Ole was brought in to be the fall guy, the guy who clears the deck, resets the "culture" and starts the process of moving the squad in the right direction.
Yet any manager who over sees such a turn over will suffer backlash from the players. Unfortunately as much as we would like to see it no club can afford to pick the manager over the players. The playing squad is the biggest expense for a club, hundreds of millions spent bringing these players in, and hundreds of millions more spent on their wages. When they decide they aren't going to play for a manager there is little a club can do. You can't sell 25 players in one window, and unless you can move on ALL of the disgruntled players then you run the risk of a few bad eggs turning the rest of the of them.
Gone are the days when you can get tough with the players. Just like gone are the days where a player like Keane could bully his teammates into running harder and giving more.
If we bring another manager in while the clearing process is still on going then that manager runs the risk of getting the backlash.
Ole might be the best manager available, but he might be the one best placed to do the dirty work that needs doing, setting the club up for success further down the line.
We need to accept there are no quick fixes for where we don't ourselves currently. It will take 2-3 summer windows to clear the decks, bring in young hungry players and for our own youngsters to develop and be ready to challenge.
The reality is we are a project that isn't going to come to fruition until 2021/ 2022 at the earliest. Probably looking at the 22/ 23 season as being the first where we will truly challenge for top honours.
Which top manager will join knowing that they will have to survive 2-3 years of not meeting the fans expectations (winning every game with great performances if live chat is anything to go by) to have a chance at the end of that of winning something. Few managers even successful ones stay longer than 3-4 years at a club.
We need Ole to stay for at least this season and probably next season to. It won't be pretty, and we will have to endure some games rather than enjoy them.
But bringing in another new manager who will want instant success will only hamper us in the long run.
7.) 02 Oct 2019 18:13:20
Allegri is the Italian Mourinho. Most of his successes have been with Juventus - a very big fish in a small (Serie A) pond.
8.) 02 Oct 2019 18:14:26
I don't think any fan out there expects instant success. All we can hope for is that we are going in the right direction. As of right now we are not. How far can this team drop down the league?
I agree the squad still needs a major clear out but my main worry is that Ole has shown very little in terms of light at the end of the tunnel. He has no history of implementing a plan. I still don't know what we're trying to do on the pitch. We're not solid defensively, we're very slow building up play from the middle and we're toothless up front.
Ole will be the latest to feel the heat from the higher ups at the club being clueless. But the majority of the players have regressed. If we fail to get top 4 this year which is a very clear possibility, will players be busting a gut to join Ole? We don't have the structure in place to plan ahead in the transfer window. We can't continue to throw money at the situation. And I don't think Ole and the club on a downward spiral, will be able to attract the players we need to get out of this mess without offering silly money that will put us back in the mire.
Pochettino would give us a clear direction on the pitch. A blue print to build upon over the next few years while the rest of the club can get it's act together (unlikely I know) .
If we leave it too long, the calibre of our next manager may be completely different then it is right now. Ed002 often jokes about United fans deserving Sam Alardyce. Keep sliding down the table and that may be the situation we find ourselves in.
9.) 02 Oct 2019 19:20:11
Mumbles, I've been saying for some time that the club structure needs changing. From owners, to Woodward, to the physios, the scouting team and the players.
We can hire and fire as many managers as we want, but as long as the Glazers and Woodward are here, this club will be going backwards from footballing stand.
They simply do not give a flying . about the football side. And in Woodward, they have a totally inept idiot in charge of footballing matters.
This is here for the long term, so best to forget about it and accept mediocrity until the owners decide they've had enough.
10.) 02 Oct 2019 19:49:58
Sorry to disagree but with De Gea Maguire AWB that's three thirds of a very good back five. Am not sure about Lindelof and for me Shaw gets caught out of position too easily. In midfield Pogba is the only player I woukd keep. Up front I would keep Rashford Greenwood James and Martial. To sum up we need maybe four more players to have a really good team which could compete.
11.) 02 Oct 2019 19:56:07
Shappy
You say “We need Ole to stay for at least this season and probably next season to. It won't be pretty, and we will have to endure some games”
Frankly if that happens the clubs will be skirting the relegation zone and few of the better players will not go anywhere near us. I despair at the continuing idea that just giving someone time will automatically work, it won’t. Denial, it is denial of the simple fact Ole is in way over his head, continuing to perpetuate this idea it will all be sweetness and light because he has time is sheer folly, it puts the club at risk of failing. If someone was in charge who had the relevant experience it is a reason to wait. Right now it is a crossroads and the abyss waits.
12.) 02 Oct 2019 20:04:28
Shaps, glad you are now starting to realise the deficiencies in both the squad and OGS. Although some players need to be moved on and some need to be brought in, OGS should not be the guy to reset the process etc. He needs to be moved on now.
And what manager gets 2 to 3 seasons in order to build to get honours, absolutely none, living in a fantasy there.
The Glazers need to make decisions and makes decisions now, restructure the upstairs, move poch in and get him what he needs now. He won't be given 2-3 years. The club need to make urgent decisions now if they want to ensure that they don't go through another 4 managers.
13.) 02 Oct 2019 20:53:30
to be truthful there aren't a lot of top top managers available; our brief at the moment should be to get some points, build confidence then we can play keepy up, or rabona wars. Just watching the bin divers and confidence is key as they are (just been sick) playing attractive stuff and getting results. Saltzburg aren't a pushover also.
14.) 02 Oct 2019 22:14:53
Spot on that shappy couldn't agree more.
15.) 03 Oct 2019 06:41:15
Agree with Shappy.
The transition wouldn't be pretty. Ole is reseting the culture but the injuries are hampering our progress.
We have shifted some players and brought in 3 who have had immediate impact and looks like the 3 best players on the pitch.
Rumours are linking us with Chilwell, Maddison, Sancho and Declan Rice.
British core, hard workers, young and talented with peak years to come.
It could be the beginning of new era. However, it all depends on how we can convince them to join us.
If we do convince them, we will start to become a dominant force once again.
16.) 03 Oct 2019 09:16:02
TRD, that is about £350 million worth a players. Do you honestly think Sancho would join us? There are players out there who weren't born in 99, the all conquering Man Utd is what they see when they watch Premier League years. If you were a young player making a move to further your career, how far are United down the pecking order of desired clubs?
We can't afford to let Ole play football manager for 2 years because by then, we could be labelled a "Sleeping giant" that hasn't won the premier league in a decade.
17.) 03 Oct 2019 09:28:47
Shappy what you are suggesting is madness.
We are supposed to be the BIGGEST club in the world and all that jazz. So we should behave that way.
We need an elite senior management team focused on football in place asap.
We have huge cash reserves and can afford to spend £600m every season.
The club need to select the youth they want to progress and then clear the decks. Then go on massive recruitment drive overpaying for the best available eg Sancho, Madison.
It could be done this season. Look at Chelsea, City and Liverpool. Good recruitment and investment brings success.
As for the manager he's a dead man walking. we all know he isn't good enough, his mistakes with selection and substitutes is open for all to see. His naivety in press conferences and constant reminders of 99 are played out and sound like the ramblings of a has-been.
The sooner we start behaving like an elite institution the better.
18.) 03 Oct 2019 09:50:21
"And what manager gets 2 to 3 seasons in order to build to get honours, absolutely none, living in a fantasy there. " Klopp?
Poch is not the answer. He's not a winner. Makes poor buys and all his teams are mentally fragile. He won't end up at Madrid either.
19.) 03 Oct 2019 10:31:14
Liverpool had a history of absolute mediocrity, challenging for the league twice in 20 years. Hiring managers like Hodgeson and then taking a chance on Rodgers. Man Utd didn't hire the Fulham or Swansea manager, we hired the Molde one.
The reason Klopp got time was because he was implementing a clear style. You could see what he wanted to do. They finished 4th and then went about and spent north of 200 million on recruitment. It's no surprise that they are improving every year.
Oles ceiling as a manager is quite low. He'll never be an elite coach. Pochettino has the potential to go to the top and Man Utd could be the platform for him to succeed.
20.) 03 Oct 2019 11:14:34
spot on that mort,
dont get the hype with poch at all.
21.) 03 Oct 2019 12:00:58
Consistently getting Spurs Champions League football while the club moves into a new stadium, improving the majority of players he coaches, sets up and plays the game the way Ole talks about. Kept the core group of players at Spurs despite interest from other bigger clubs.
It looks like he's coming to the end of his time at Spurs but he has done a really good job. He is a far superior manager than Ole. We need to improve every area of the club when we can.
22.) 03 Oct 2019 12:32:15
Guys, we can throw our weight around all we want, but as the Ed's have said over the summer that only hampered our attempts to bring in players. We thought we could bully sides into accepting low offers because we are "Manchester United", it didn't work.
In the short term world that has become football, where managers and players rarely ever see out the 4 year deals they sign do you really believe that those managers and those players are interested in what a side did 10 years ago? If you haven't won or competed in the last 3-4 years then many players and managers will start to wonder if you will compete in the next 2-3 after which most of them would be aware they might be looking to move on at that point. Unless you can show them a clear upward trajectory you will struggle to bring in the very best.
It's hard for us to appreciate because we love our club. But ask yourself what would a potential manager or top level player see in our side that they couldn't get at City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Juventus, Napoli, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich?
Even sides like Spurs, Atletico Madrid, Borussia Dortmund, Inter Milan etc are interesting sides who are on an upward trajectory and could be seen as at least an equal step to us at present.
Very few top managers will choose us over those sides with the club being in the malaise it currently finds itself. We need to get back to basics and start an upward trend. That starts with clearing the way and bringing in the right sort of players. Both things have happened so far under Ole. If we can have another summer that sees 4-5 players leave with 4-5 players coming in that have a similar impact as the three we have brought in this past summer then the club is in a good position, especially if young players such as Tuanzebe, McTominay, Garner, James, Gomes and Greenwood have had a season or two under their belts and are ready to become regular key contributors to our side.
23.) 03 Oct 2019 13:06:22
Mumbles, you said absolutely none. I proved you wrong. Yes Liverpool had been mediocre for 20 years with 2 challenges. We've been mediocre for 10 and haven't challenged. We're turning into Liverpool. We didn't hire the Swansea manager true but we hired the Everton one.
There is a plan there but injuries and executive incompetence hamper us.
I say again Poch isn't the answer. He's done ok with Spurs taking advantage of the decline of ourselves and arsenal. But he isn't in that top bracket of coaches.
24.) 03 Oct 2019 13:25:01
I believe Pochettino could make that jump into the top bracket of coaches, but he isn't there yet. He's done a great job at Spurs considering the financial restrictions he has at Spurs. Regularly doing better than Chelsea, Arsenal and ourselves despite the fact that all three teams have a bigger transfer budget and most importantly wage budget.
He plays good football, and he has developed several players. Yet, he had a chance to win the EPL when Leicester beat them to the punch, and they failed to really take the game to Liverpool in the UCL final last season. That inability to push Spurs to the next level could be understandable if they didn't have the chance to do so, but they have had a couple of great chances to win one of the biggest trophies in world football and have come up short twice not due to ability but due to mentality.
Some coaches come into management with the ability to push a team to clinch their chances, others have to learn by missing out, while the others never learn to clinch those chances. That is what separates the good managers from the great ones. Good managers do well with what they have, great managers push teams to excel and win those decisive matches.
25.) 03 Oct 2019 14:26:38
My concern about Poch is his signings. Years after he took over spurs, most of the players he brought are nowhere near the players they should be replacing.
The team is still dependent on players he inherited.
26.) 03 Oct 2019 14:43:09
Great unbiased reply Shappy. The fact is, Ole will get time to prove himself. Everyone would love to see him succeed because that means United are on the up. We'll get to see how this plays out.
Mort, get a grip of yourself. "I proved you wrong". Considering we are talking about opinions, the only thing you've proved is you're a child.
27.) 03 Oct 2019 15:49:54
Mort Mumbles and Shappy seems to me there are elements of truth in all your arguments. The club structure obviously needs addressing and should be the first thing on the agenda as without a form foundation nothing of lasting value can be established. It's probably true that Woodward should be left to make money and we have a director of football to concentrate on football matters. It's probably true that we just are no longer the biggest attraction in English let alone European football nowadays with City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs ahead or on a par with us. Its possibly true that Ole is not going to be good enough and its likely that Poch may not be good enough to get us back to the very top although short term he would probably be a good move. What's also true is that there are very few top managers available or likely to be in the near future. The other thi G which is undeniably true is that even top players play better when they are confident and not worried about how they play. If and it's a big if. If Utd cN go on a long winning run we might see just how good the current younger players could be.
28.) 03 Oct 2019 15:54:25
But then Shappy that doesn't mean you downgrade yourself and start going after 3rd grade material like we have now. Ole has simply not done anything special (even the transfers that you go on about) . Maguire was wanted last season but we all know that Jose wasnt backed. We got a fresh young RB in Dalot last season and even then we knew Jose wanted AWB. So what has Ole done differently?
We all want the best for the club. You say patience and most will agree but most will say, not with Ole. Ole isn't a manager you could put your trust in to save your life. He has his calibre with Molde, that's his depth. Molde is a small pond while Man Utd is the Ocean. Ole won't survive the waves let alone the tides.
29.) 03 Oct 2019 16:11:46
Mumbles you state opinions as facts. When your wrong your going to get pulled up on it.
30.) 03 Oct 2019 16:26:53
Should gone and got Evans over Maguire.
31.) 03 Oct 2019 17:02:52
What exactly did you prove me wrong about Mort? Please elaborate?
32.) 03 Oct 2019 17:20:13
You're deluded Mort if you think a manager will get 2-3 seasons of building at this club.
33.) 03 Oct 2019 17:24:42
Shan, which third grade material have we gone after?
Maguire and AWB were two of the highest rated English defenders in the EPL. Hardly third grade.
James was a young gamble type signing, one which looks like it will pay off. So kudos to the scouting department on that one.
If you're referring to Ole as the "third grade material", well when we decided to give him a long term contract he was at the end of a record breaking run of form with our club. Form that surpassed BOTH Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson, our two greatest managers.
Hindsight is 20/ 20, and if they waited until the end of the season then they might have made a different decision. But that is by the by now.
The only thing for certain to be gained by changing manager again now is another dead cat bounce scenario that everyone loves throwing at Ole.
There is no guarantee that they would do any better in the long run. People bang on about having the right credentials and the CV but as we have seen with both LvG and Mourinho that it didn't stop them from failing and neither saw out three years with us.
If there was a manager with experience of clearing out players not good enough, developing young players into world class players and a proven track record of bringing in the right players and blending that all together to take a team from also-rans to champions then let's go hire him.
But there isn't, there are very few managers world wide with a track record of staying more than 3-4 years at any club at most.
So we are at the start of a long term project that will take 3-4 years to complete which will cause the managers to suffer a backlash from the players at some point during that project which will in all likelihood cost that manager his job.
How many world class managers do you see queuing up for that job?
However, if Ole stays one more season, completes the turnover and moves on the players who aren't part of our future brings in 3-4 more key players for our future and develops a few youngsters to the point where they can step up.
Then that paints a very different proposition to any potential manager. He can come in with Ole taking the flack while he has a decent young squad and the ability to add another 3-4 players to mould that squad in his image.
Or we can kick Ole out now, hire another manager who probably isn't good enough, he will feel more pressure to get results instantly and will only focus on the here and now rather than the long term which he will know won't benefit him. He can continue trying to overturn the squad suffer backlash in 2 years time lose his job and we can be back at square one.
Whatever floats your boat.
34.) 03 Oct 2019 17:56:38
Yes Shappy, Ole is the garbage i was referring to. Record breaking run beating got him the job so similarly the current record breaking run should cost him his job. Same yardstick.
35.) 03 Oct 2019 19:51:45
Shan you are an absolute embarrassment calling out a club legend with such words.
36.) 03 Oct 2019 20:32:36
An embarrassment you say TRD, you mean like the team we all support led by a manager who has won nothing but relegation.
37.) 03 Oct 2019 20:37:16
Ah, the insults, don’t worry Shan, when Ole has us in the relegation fight the embarrassment will not be yours.
The issue I have is the give Ole time merchants have nothing to base this decision on. Nice words at press conferences, that is it.
Ole is the failed Cardiff manager who didn’t just take them down, but was given new 9 players and only when he showed he was still hopeless in the seven games of the new CHAMPIONSHIP season was he sacked.
A club PLAYING legend, not a managerial legend. It’s emotion and sentiment driving the Ole bandwagon.
03 Sep 2019 12:52:16
Hi ed002. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on fan owned teams? We often hear about a large group of fans getting together to potentially buy their clubs, the Red Knights come to mind. Is it sustainable? Does it work for the bigger clubs? Or is it just a romantic notion that makes no sense in the modern game?
{Ed002's Note - There are plenty of fan owned lower level teams such as Wrexham, FC United of Manchester, Exeter City, Portsmouth etc. and as long as clubs can live within their means it works fine. Others, like Rushden & Diamonds and Gravesend & Northfleet saw problems with fan ownership. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Athletic Bilbao and Osasuna were formed registered associations who are owned by their membership as a collective. Bayern Munich was formed as a collective by the local gymnastics club and the original players and remains owned by the membership. These work but it would not be viable to take a club like Manchester United or Liverpool and do this today.}
1.) 03 Sep 2019 19:18:58
Nice to see my hometown Wrexham mentioned on here, have been unlucky in a couple of managers taken away when they've been going well, not started so well this time at present and the knives are out for Bryan Hughes already.
Have been to watch fc United on a few occasions too when they used Curzon and Stalybridge grounds, have been to their Broadhurst stadium since, decent, was a bit of strife with player manager Greavsey leaving and board room unrest at the time.
2.) 03 Sep 2019 19:44:58
Much appreciated ed. Our fans can't agree on much lately so I'll cancel the whip round.
15 Oct 2019 12:02:01
So how does this work then? If the individual share holders sell up and shares are sold on the stock market, how will that change anything in the future? Won't the shareholders just keep getting dividends? How is that any different to how it is now?
28 Sep 2019 12:31:14
If we had a proper procedure in place to appoint a permanent manager in the summer, I'd imagine Poch would have been tempted. If he does leave Spurs soon, he would have better options than than taking over this train wreck.
04 Sep 2019 11:37:32
I completely agree with all of that Ludwig. My point is that Ole is getting praised for his promotion of youth yet the facts show he's quite reluctant to play them. I would like to see them coming on when we need a lift. I don't think anyone is expecting them to be starters.
Chong should have went out on loan. He isn't going to rack up many minutes. Hopefully Gomes gets games because we are crying out for some guile and creativity up forward.
I'm not knocking Ole for not putting kids into the team. But he shouldn't be lauded for it either.
04 Sep 2019 08:38:20
Ole promotes the youth in his press conferences. Has that transpired onto the pitch? I'd say no. We've been drawing or losing in the last 3 games and Ole has given Greenwood 30 odd minutes. McT had already played a host of games so he's not exactly new to the first team. Lingard has been atrocious. No Gomes. Mata comes into the team. No Chong. Our "best finisher at the club" gets the last few minutes when we're chasing a game. Granted it is early in the season, but when the results don't go our way over the next few months, Ole will play the old pro's and not turn to youth.
Before every window we make a dreamlist of players to improve our team. What makes you think over the next 3 or 4 Windows we will do the right business? Our record in the transfer market recently makes for terrible reading.
Hypothetically if we do revamp the squad with the quality of players we need to start consistently moving up the table. Is Ole a good enough coach to get the best out of a group of players? I'm very worried that our managers ability to effect games from the bench. Which brings it into a wider point, that he doesn't know how to bounce back after a poor result, mirroring his inability to effect change.
The biggest problem is though that we don't have 2 or 3 years to let Ole learn on the job. We already have players from Spurs turning us down (no disrespect). Eriksson would rather stay at Spurs than join Man Utd. Our stock in the football world is falling. There a newer modern stadiums being built every year. Better managers with more standing in the game. Younger players won't dream of playing for United, sponsors won't pay as much.
We will always be a behemoth of a club. But there are huge clubs that have spent decades in the wilderness and we are not above that.
29 Aug 2019 16:23:08
Very good AJH. Looking into the neighbours house and thinking everything is rosey isn't necessarily the case.
13 Oct 2019 15:57:48
I wouldn't say there's a set budget like that made for two years. There's too many variables of what could happen. Regardless of what budget we have, our team of scouts have to start to leaving the country when scouting. Though there are young talented British players, Madison, Rice, Chillwell, are going to cost too much and won't get us to the challenging for league titles.
But before we start our recruitment for players, we need a coach in place that has a history of improving players. Without that piece of th puzzle is in place, you could sign Maradonna, Cruyff and Best and it would be meaningless.
11 Oct 2019 15:40:54
I don't think they were ever going to renew. They pulled out of the European market a few weeks after they signed on with us.
There will always be a queue of companies willing to be on our jersey. The only thing I'd imagine is, the higher rates would be performance based which can only be good thing in terms of investment in the team.
10 Oct 2019 17:11:13
The problem is Shappy, the board got cold feet in January when LvG wanted reinforcements and he was struggling. Had two players lined up apparently and pulled the plug. We missed out on the top 4 by one point that year to City. The board said it was because of the "toxic" fans but it was clearly them not being able to hold their breath and continue with the plan.
Will Ole be around come January? If he is, are they really going to spend big on his targets knowing that the wheels could come off at any minute?
All the players we are linked with are supposedly Jose's preferred targets. We'll get go Ole's targets when he's long gone and the new manager wants new players.
10 Oct 2019 16:04:51
Dembele is doing really well at moment. We'd have to pay stupid money and stupid wages to get the lad in January. He is exactly who we should be looking at, but I can't see a push in January for him.
10 Oct 2019 14:15:10
Much appreciated Ed.
{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}