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Favourite player: Scholes


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22 Sep 2020 12:33:01
Dembele rumours doing the rounds again. Quality player when fit, would be very expensive I imagine.

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1.) 22 Sep 2020 13:11:46
Re Ousmane Dembele Expensive with a bad injury record.
His entourage blames his injuries on Barcelona s training regime. I find it a bit hard to believe.
I would only consider a loan with option to buy.


2.) 22 Sep 2020 13:43:29
Fantastic player when fit, but struggles with injuries. There have been stories previously about him being a poor trainer and lacking focus.


3.) 22 Sep 2020 16:00:49
dev1l I'm sure I saw a post on here not so long back proving that Barcelona's training could actually be a factor.

Likewise Shappy I'm sure 002 (or another Ed) say he has matured somewhat.


A loan seems sensible but not with the obligation to buy.


4.) 22 Sep 2020 16:41:17
Barcelona have already shipped out a handful of players without replacing them. How many are they going to have left? Surely they will retain the younger players and build around them whilst getting the older players off the books, which they have begun doing.

{Ed002's Note - They are working on various things.}


 

 

30 Aug 2020 20:05:40
Ed, can you enlighten us on the DVB merry-go-round? Have we agreed a deal?

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{Ed002's Note - I would need to ask but my understanding is that there is an agreement - which obviously needs ratification.}


1.) 30 Aug 2020 20:43:58
A lot of reports of interest in thiago also ed, would it be a case of DVB or thiago or are we interested in both?

Thanks Ed 👍.

{Ed002's Note - They are different types of players. I am not aware of an approach from MU but a couple of other sides have spoken with them.}


2.) 30 Aug 2020 20:52:55
Magic ed, thank you 👍.


3.) 30 Aug 2020 21:11:04
Thanks as always Ed. I'm shocked, makes sense as a signing. We don't do sense.


4.) 30 Aug 2020 22:11:48
A great signing if it happens, hope the medical is OK and terms agreed. Top MF potentially with DVDB in there.


 

 

 

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07 Oct 2020 17:38:36
So against Newcastle we will have no Tony and no Cavani. What do we think will be the front 3? I wouldn't mind a 3 of Rash, mata and Greenwood but my gut tells me ole will revert to type and play a back 5 with rash, James and Greenwood. Surely pogba will be dropped for Donny too?

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1.) 07 Oct 2020 18:40:36
If we play with 3/ 5 defenders it will be 3-4-1-2/ 5-2-1-2,Bruno behind Marcus and Mason.


2.) 07 Oct 2020 19:03:19
I think he's got to revert to a back three. He must reinforce our leaking defence and I think we have enough quality going forward to score goals. I'd also inject some energy, mobility and intensity into the midfield.

Rashford and Greenwood should still pose a a significant threat upfront and bring a nice balance to the team as split strikers.

I'd play 3-4-1-2 -

De Gea, Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, Telles, AWB, Fred, VdB, Fernandes, Rashford, Greenwood

I have a feeling Ole will stick to a 4-2-3-1 with Rashford moving upfront and VdB playing from the left. I'm not convinced Telles will start but we'll see.


3.) 07 Oct 2020 19:39:00
Lots of people suggesting a formation with wing backs, but nobody's considering the fact we don't have anyone suited to play right wing back. There's no way AWB is suited to the role, he doesn't have the end product or the engine.


4.) 07 Oct 2020 19:41:04
I'd go with a similar set up to DLIB, although I would make two minor changes. I'd drop Maguire out as I don't think his head is in the right place at the moment and to keep playing will only intensify the pressure on him for every mistake he makes. Probably start Bailly or Tuanzebe in his place, or even push Lindelof to central of the back three and play TFM at RCB as he has the pace to deal with Saint-Maximin who'll be cutting in from that side.

The other change I would make would be to play DvdB at No.10 rather than Bruno and drop Bruno further back deeper into midfield. I think Bruno would be better off playing slightly deeper, while Donny's movement around the box and link up play is excellent.


5.) 07 Oct 2020 20:12:10
Bruno as a false 9, Greenwood and Rashford on the wing, Pogba as the playmaker with Matic and DvB in the holding and box to box roles.


6.) 07 Oct 2020 21:20:32
Shame on you Grimslives!
False 9 is bolloxology.
Just let Greenwood loose up front👍.


7.) 07 Oct 2020 21:30:53
Betty, with the team in poor form I'm not sure if now is the right time to put that sort of expectancy on Greenwood.


8.) 07 Oct 2020 21:33:16
Great post Grimslives, but who would play the pivot?


9.) 07 Oct 2020 23:37:08
The option is there to play Rashford and Greenwood up top with Bruno, VDB, Pogba and Matic behind. It will be interesting to see what Ole goes with.


10.) 08 Oct 2020 03:06:18
I would play 4-4-2 diamond with De Gea Bailly Lindelof Telles Williams. Then Matic in front of them with Maktominay and Bruno in front of him, Bruno at the right to help Williams at attacks and Scott at left to help Telles defencively and be the engine of the team. Vdb behind Rashford and Greenwood to link with them. I think that's a team with balance energy and pace.
At this time i would try to make the team more compact and protect the defence using a lot of midfielders to take the possession and take the pressure out of the defence. Some wins are necessary even with an ugly way, although i don't think it would be ugly at all.


11.) 08 Oct 2020 10:23:53
AWB isn't good enough going forward to play RWB, so why not put him on the right of a back 3?

Williams or James could play RWB, Telles LWB.


 

 

04 Oct 2020 17:27:16
Wow. Jesus christ on a bike. That is the worst defensive performance I have ever seen from my team, Sunday league at best. Can somebody tell me what we do defensively in training? I see no cohesion, I see no understanding of when to press and when sit. It's so, so dishearting to watch us right now. I love Ole but he isn't up to this.

That aside that rat Lamella should hang his head in shame, went down like he'd been shot with a 12 bore. They should have both been given yellows and told to get on with it.

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{Ed047's Note - and if Martial was red then so was Lamela


1.) 04 Oct 2020 17:30:59
Jose will have had lamela get under AMs skin. I agree lamela should be red also. But AM has to learn from this that you simply can't react like that.

And if you are going to get sent off for sticking one on someone. At least give him a proper reason for going down all floppy on the floor.


2.) 04 Oct 2020 17:32:44
I couldn't believe my eyes when the video ref didn't advise it to be reviewed Ed. It was an aplalling decision. I'm not making excuses mind, we have been second best. Kane and Son look fantastic and our back line has been laughable. Ole really does need to leave, it's become so rotten and it hurts to view.


3.) 04 Oct 2020 17:34:24
It was Ed, but we were a shamblea before that, and even worse since.
Total embarrassment to the shirt all of them.
No heart, no fight, no idea.
OLE not the sole problem, but not the answer either.
WTF do our lot do in training?


4.) 04 Oct 2020 17:35:22
Definitely Ed, Lamela deserves a red just for his reaction, it's football not theatre.

But, Maguire must be the most expensive mistake in football history.


5.) 04 Oct 2020 17:34:15
If you are OGS, you say to Martial, why didn't yiu go down, Lamela would have been red carded. Still both should have been booked. In all honesty, lamela was worse. A shocking ref and VAR decision. Again a distinct lack of consistency.


6.) 04 Oct 2020 17:55:11
Cavani spotted at Manchester airport getting back on the plane.


7.) 04 Oct 2020 18:19:13
Why would Cavani get back on a plane, just another player turning up to collect a wage and do little else.


8.) 04 Oct 2020 18:27:58
Don’t kid ourselves the red card did nothing to affect the outcome.


9.) 04 Oct 2020 18:28:59
Thanks god Lindelof don't play. He makes Maguire looks bad, its always his fault. Oh wait.
The day Lindelof didn't play we conceded 6 goals. No he is not my favourite player but its like god to say to you something.


10.) 04 Oct 2020 18:38:48
Herrwra,

I agree with your post. Maguire is completely clueless at the back. Never in my life have I ever seen such an overrated player.


11.) 04 Oct 2020 18:39:45
None were reds but you can't raise your. hand to another players face. Martial is a fool and deserved the red for falling for his trap.


12.) 04 Oct 2020 18:40:53
Uncle Pat looks like he wants to cry.


13.) 04 Oct 2020 18:42:43
Look at the experience United coaching and their success over the years. Oh hang on.


14.) 04 Oct 2020 18:45:27
How amazing we actually score in the first minute. Did’nt see the rest but heard we were amazing. The club that keeps on giving. We made Spurs look like Brazil 1970 . No idea what the idea is as it’s all rotten.


 

 

27 Sep 2020 09:26:26
I said yesterday Pogba and Rash should be dropped. Rash answered that somewhat, he looked sharper and showed great composure for his goal. Pogba however justified what I thought, he must be dropped for DVB next week and midweek. He is being carried at the minute, he is so sloppy in possession. Ole has subbed him twice now which means he knows he isn't playing well. Let's hope DVB gets the nod next week.

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1.) 27 Sep 2020 09:30:58
I'm not a big fan of Pogba. But maybe he's really really unfit.
He can be switched off defensively, he does give the ball away, but he's never this bad.
He looks miles off, Ole is not helping Pogba's cause, he needs to be benched and given time to improve his fitness.
McTominay or Fred or Van de Beek should start.


2.) 27 Sep 2020 09:46:33
Rohan. He’s always been this bad.

For years I’ve seen people defending him. But he’s always played this way.

He doesn’t have the Juventus team and the France team around him when he’s with us, so he’s been found out.

It’s got to a point where every time he’s got the ball, it’s a toss up between passing to the opposition, kicking it out of play or getting tackled.

I really can’t see what some others see in him. I think it’s more to do with his flashy lifestyle and social media influence than it is to do with football.


3.) 27 Sep 2020 09:54:50
Even when Pogba is fit he offers little more than yday tnh, Donny is far superior, get him in.

{Ed025's Note - donny osmond would offer more than pogba welsh.. :)


4.) 27 Sep 2020 10:32:49
Pogba is not the player we saw at Juve I'm afraid, he offers a great highlight reel and a moment or two of brilliance a season but the bad outweighs the good. He doesn't work hard enough, he doesn't release the ball fast enough and dwells on it too long. He loses the ball far too much for my liking, praying he is dropped next week for DVB who has a better motor and moved the ball faster.


5.) 27 Sep 2020 10:36:46
I like Pogba and feel he can offer some moments of magic, but he is so slow and tries to do that same turn everytime he gets the ball, players have cottoned on to this and just pressure him and he makes the same mistake every game. Matic and Pogba are too slow to play together. I personally think are best 3 in midfield with the players we have would be Fred, vdb and Bruno. I really like Fred and feel he is under rated, he might not have the passing range of Pogba or the strength of Matic, but his work rate is phenomenal and he's good at breaking up play.


6.) 27 Sep 2020 14:36:35
LOL Ed yes, get Osmond in.


 

 

26 Aug 2020 09:24:39
Reading this morning a few articles that claim United, Dortmund and Sancho all expect the transfer to still happen. I still have a feeling this transfer will be done. Ed mention on the Liverpool page that while things are a mess we will spend money and I think this will be one that gets done.

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1.) 26 Aug 2020 10:16:34
This transfer will only happen if United pay what Dortmund want. He has three years left on his deal and Dortmund are under no immediate financial pressure to sell.

United have shown that if you hold your nerve we will crack. It first happened with Fellaini, we could have got him for a set fee, we allowed the clause to expire thinking we could bully Everton into accepting less then we paid more than the clause value on the last day.

We tried the same with Maguire last summer and we thought we could bully Sporting as well over Bruno. They actually needed to money yet they still held firm over the summer and winter windows. In the end we agreed to pay what Sporting wanted just spread over a couple of years with easily attainable targets.

We have shown we have zero negotiating skills, it doesn't help when when we have Ed Woodward making public declarations of how much we have and how we can "do things few other clubs can in the transfer market".

Fact is if Dortmund say 120m then it will be 120m. That might be 80m now and 40m next summer. But it will be 120m. We have no power in this negotiation other than to walk away and buy someone else.

So it's pay up or shut up. I don't think it will happen.


2.) 26 Aug 2020 10:45:04
Chelsea in the same situation with havertz I wouldn't be surprised to see both deals done this summer.

{Ed002's Note - Actually no.}


3.) 26 Aug 2020 11:29:25
Ed appreciate this isn't the Chelsea page. What's the difference in the deals?

I presume it's that United haven't actually bid yet?

{Ed002's Note - It is completely unrelated.}


4.) 26 Aug 2020 11:31:41
Actually no ed002, Sancho deal looks unlikely or no havertz is not the same situation?

{Ed002's Note - There is no comparison.}


5.) 26 Aug 2020 11:40:43
I don't think Chelsea will have to pay huge agents fees like utd need to pay to get the deal done.


6.) 26 Aug 2020 13:06:39
Thought so ed, thanks a lot.


 

 

21 Aug 2020 09:40:06
Pele: "If he was playing with me, I would have scored so many more. "

Lionel Messi: "At La Masia his name was mentioned a lot. He's a teacher. "

Cristiano Ronaldo: "When we were in training, I used to do a lot of tricks which hardly any players at the club could do. Once I was showing my skills to Scholes. After I finished, Scholes took the ball and pointed to a tree which was about 50m from where we were standing. He said, I'm going to hit it in one shot. He kicked and hit the tree. He asked me to do the same; I kicked about 10 times, but still couldn't hit it, with that accuracy. He smiled and left. "

Zinedine Zidane: "My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder. "

Patrick Vieira: "The player in the Premiership I admire most? Easy - Scholes. "

Edgar Davids: "I'm not the best, Paul Scholes is. "

Xavi: "In the last 15 to 20 years the best central midfielder that I have seen, the most complete is Scholes. I have spoken with Xabi Alonso about this many times. Scholes is a spectacular player who has everything. "

Marcello Lippi: "Paul Scholes would have been one of my first choices for putting together a great team. "

Was having the usual debate with the lads about Scholes, Lampard and Gerrard. Obviously bias but for me Scholes was in a league of his own. Different players with different roles but my god how good was he? What would he be worth today?

I love the story about him coming out of retirement with no boots and just bobbing down to the local store to buy a pair. He then went on to run the game against City.

When people talk about our greatest ever player he has to be in the reckoning for me, never got caught on the ball and deceptively strong, he could score and create in equal measure.

Oh and I don't buy the business that he couldn't tackle! He knew exactly what he was doing when leaving a little on someone.

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1.) 21 Aug 2020 09:56:46
Amazing how things can get changed in your brain, Scholes came on at 3-0 up in the game with the boots and we won 3-2 if I’m not mistaken!

I agree with the rest of your analysis though and find it strange that other teams rate him so low just because the teams he played in were amazing seemingly not realising that every team he played in was so good because he was in it.


2.) 21 Aug 2020 10:04:53
Scholes is my favourite player ever; I just loved watching him play. Just the way he knew what he was going to do with the ball before he received it and the way he pinged it about was a joy to watch.

The debate about Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes is a joke. The other two were nowhere near as good.


3.) 21 Aug 2020 10:05:30
GDS nothing got changed mate. I remember the game well, I just love the story that goes with it.

He truly was exceptionally gifted.


4.) 21 Aug 2020 10:13:39
Great post. What a player. Criminally misused by a succession of England managers. And you’re spot on about his tackling - the genius was how he got away with it so often!


5.) 21 Aug 2020 10:14:19
MancMan he was a joy to watch I agree.

I also agree Scholes was the better of the 3 but they each had different roles in the team. I hate scouse with a passion but Gerrard was some player too. A physical powerhouse with some engine. None had Scholes' footballing IQ though, incredible player.


6.) 21 Aug 2020 10:37:08
SaF - totally agree especially tackling - so clever he knew what he was doing to break up the play.
Incredible talent and work rate- even more impressive if true was that he suffered from asthma.


7.) 21 Aug 2020 11:23:07
Simply put a player like Scholes would be priceless now. I don’t see a midfielder with his ability to control games, dictate the tempo on such a regular basis anywhere in Europe. We had a truly special player, it’s a shame then it’s when he’s retired we realise just how good he was. I remember him coming on 2-1 down against Southampton and creating about 3 chances for rvp in 5 minutes.


8.) 21 Aug 2020 11:49:47
Fantastic player. Would love to see him come back to the club in a coaching capacity. To be fair, he’s pretty useless as a pundit, so coaching might be right up his street.


9.) 21 Aug 2020 13:57:44
The French media loved him back in the day, they would always debate over whether he or Zidane was best. They also felt he got much more credit outside of England.


10.) 21 Aug 2020 14:41:43
World class. Simple.


11.) 21 Aug 2020 15:14:44
Gerrard more goals, more left foot goals, more headed goals, more free kicks scored than Scholes, more assists, more tackles than Scholes, better % of tackles won, less fouls, less yellow cards, more 50/ 50s won by a street than Scholes. (According to Premierleague. com)

I could go on but I'm sure you get the drift.


12.) 21 Aug 2020 15:28:17
Fantastic footballer and lots of people would probably say Zidane is a much better footballer than Scholes although I tend to disagree.

Ed001 you commented a lot on Zidane as a manager i've never read anything from you with regards to Zidane as a footballer, how good was he to you?

{Ed001's Note - he was a fantastic player, but he was very much about looking good first. He was all too much flash for little actual effect for my taste, though Juve worked hard on trying to sort that aspect of his game out. Very much a galactico type of player, unlike Scholes who was the complete opposite.

By the way, those quotes are pointless at the beginning. Pele also called Butt a world class player and Zidane called Gerrard the best player in the world. They are meaningless soundbites from people who just have to say nice things for the cameras. Scholes was a fantastic player, but quotes from fellow pros are never going to give a full picture.}


13.) 21 Aug 2020 15:34:20
Doesn't tell a story though does it? Scholes could sit back and dictate games because he had better players in front on him. Gerrard was exceptional as I said but he didn't have the football brain of Scholes. Maybe Zidane and Xavi didn't know anything about midfielders. Maybe they're wrong in their opinions that Scholes was better.


14.) 21 Aug 2020 15:44:55
2nd best ever player at the club. After Gordon Hill.


15.) 22 Aug 2020 09:15:01
Ed001 whom do you think was the best among the three? ( Scholes, Lamps, Gerrard)

{Ed001's Note - I did a comparison article about it: Scholes v Lampard v Gerrard


16.) 22 Aug 2020 10:25:35
Deisered, what that tells you is that for Liverpool if Gerrard didn't do it no one did. Gerrard was always Stevie Me. He took all the penalties, he took all the free kicks. It always had to be about him.

While Scholes was happy to let his teammates take the limelight. He hardly took penalties or free kicks, he was happy to be the one to facilitate the other players in the team.

I've not seen another player in my lifetime that had a better footballing brain than Scholes. Always two yards ahead of everyone else, he knew when to foul, when to pass and to who, he could receive a ball turn on a sixpence and hit a diagonal 60 yard ball to the feet of our winger without even looking up, because he knew where the winger and where he would be before he received the pass.

You see so many players attempt the "Hollywood" pass, but it isn't effective because it's about looking good, the player takes too long to look up, make a decision, set himself and play the pass that even if they didn't put too much elevation on the ball that everyone knows where the ball is going before it's hit. Scholes used to hit those passes much lower and direct and without the need to look up and advertise the pass before he hit it. Meaning that when he did the opposition were often caught flat footed and he gave our winger and extra few yards in a dangerous position.

While a lot of United's success during the 90's and 00's has been pegged on players like Cantona, Keane, Giggs, RvN, Rooney and Ronaldo. The truth is that none of them were as good a footballer as Scholes.


 

 

 

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07 Oct 2020 07:20:08
Great read Cheshire, makes a lot of sense.

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30 Aug 2020 21:11:04
Thanks as always Ed. I'm shocked, makes sense as a signing. We don't do sense.

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25 Aug 2020 13:43:59
I read this a few hours ago too. I'm sure it's rubbish but we live in hope.

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15 Aug 2020 12:44:03
Maybe read your reply back and you'll see that yes, it was indeed rude Scooby. If you don't like the post maybe just don't reply? If wasn't allowed on the site then the Eds would have removed/ not posted it.

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15 Aug 2020 12:41:28
If we could get Saul I would carry Pogba to his destination bare foot (me not Pogba) . I rate Pogba but Saul is the best of the best. Here's hoping.

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20 Oct 2020 21:59:58
You're clutching at straws mate. Ole got it bang on the money tonight.

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20 Oct 2020 20:53:57
I reckon you'd find fault if we stuck 7 past them shan. So far it's been spot on, stop moaning.

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13 Oct 2020 22:25:01
Hear hear Tim.

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05 Oct 2020 10:15:33
Ken I think Ronald Mcdonald would win a vote.

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05 Oct 2020 09:33:03
Telles plays like a winger nevermind a defender. He will offer a great threat going forward but I'm afraid he won't solve our defensive frailties. They need to be solved with correct coaching.

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