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12 Feb 2018 00:42:20
Have been hearing repeatedly since he joined that Jose needs 2/ 3/ 4 windows to turn us into a top team again. So which of his signings so far can we categorically call a resounding success? Not many I dare say.

One thing I cannot stand above anything in an elite level footballer is a lack of football intelligence. And I must say there seems to be a severe lack of grey matter in our team. Whether it's the players or the coaching or a bit of both, we look a yard off the other top teams in terms of ideas, movement, slickness, composure. Somehow it feels we can continue splashing money but the approach and tempo won't change.


1.) 12 Feb 2018 06:47:21
"severe lack of grey matter in our team"
Precisely. 100% agree.


2.) 12 Feb 2018 11:33:52
I think we have had varying degrees of success from all of Jose’s signings to be honest. Until about 2 weeks ago Pogba had been our best player this season, he has a couple of bad games (I think he was ill yesterday anyway) and suddenly he’s an awful signing.

We are missing Bailly a lot at centre half, I would like lindelof to get a go to be honest, lukaku has improved his game a lot, Matic is having a bit of a bad spell hit at the start of the season everyone was raving about him. We aren’t playing well but don’t think we are far off to be honest.


3.) 12 Feb 2018 12:00:03
Sometimes I wonder about the intelligence displayed by our players, the simple things like passing to a player in space seems beyond their logic, they seem more comfortable passing a three yard pass to a colleague that is surrounded by three or four opposition players.


4.) 12 Feb 2018 21:58:07
Picking out the main signings:
Bailly- class centre back when playing, looked a great signing last year. Been out as much as he's played, but that's just bad luck.

Pogba - under the negative spotlight now but even when his stock was high earlier this season he still had a massive question mark over his big game credentials for me. Misused by Jose or is he simply coming up short when it matters?
Zlatan - no one can argue with his goals contribution last year but would have to go down as a two-thirds season wonder for me, and that's accounting for his terrible injury. Resigning him was a joke.

Matic - started off superbly but I'm struggling with him. Is he knackered, is he being overused/ overworked, or is he simply past his best in terms of being the midfield rock over a full season?

I can't see him getting better next season, or the one after.
Miki - got rid as soon as we got a chance. Wrong player for this team and manager.
Lukaku - although I never wanted him and still don't, I've felt for him of late, as he's worked his socks off and vastly improved his link play, but gets next to nothing in terms of the right service. Not the right striker for us.

Lindelof - for a manager like Jose who goes out of his way to prove his decisions right, it amazes me how little faith he's shown in this guy, even with the smalling and Jones double act on show. Question marks.

So, how many more windows?


 

 

 

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30 Jan 2022 09:48:56
Genuinely angry and sad about Mason Greenwood. Disgusting behaviour. I’ve said multiple times he was prob the only united player in the last year I had any love for, but looks like he’s the worst person of the lot.
Expect him to be immediately out of the squad pending investigation, and dumped completely if/ when proven.
There goes another good thing about supporting United in the current day….


1.) 30 Jan 2022 10:13:37
Another wasted career like Morrison maybe.


2.) 30 Jan 2022 10:14:09
Hope he goes to prison. Disgusting behavior that seems to have been going on for quite some time. I’m sure his future cell mates will return the favor, mind.


3.) 30 Jan 2022 10:39:00
I’m sick and tired of these footballers behaving however they want outside of football and behind closed doors. If the club have any ounce of decency they will rip his contract up today. They also need to support the young girl and ensures she gets the right attention and support.


4.) 30 Jan 2022 10:42:08
I'm 100% with you on all of that ports.


5.) 30 Jan 2022 10:53:54
Pampered beyond belief, told their wonderful all day long, millionaire at 18. This is a formula for disaster.


6.) 30 Jan 2022 11:25:15
Ports, I would love to see this from the club and would support them if they did this. Stand up and do the right thing morally against this horrendous behaviour in our society, stand by the young lady involved. Unfortunately having seen the impact of domestic violence through my sister, the system to dealing with this is slow and not in any way designed to help the victim.


7.) 30 Jan 2022 11:47:23
Totally agree Ports.
It shows how little our club cares about the way players behave.
Greenwood abusing his girlfriend
Lingard going on social media wearing a West ham shirt and telling us he's a prisoner at United (wtf)
Pogba telling us he'll sign a new contract but only if conditions are met!
Honestly, there is nothing I love about our club. Morals have just been dumped.


8.) 30 Jan 2022 12:30:52
If you are trying to equate what greenwood has done and what pogba is doing with his contracts then you need to give your head a wobble because its ridiculous.

Listening to that poor girl on that audio clip was horrific and i hope he is dealt with severely by the justice system.

{Ed077's Note - how can you compare domestic violence/crime to contract disputes/standoffs?

Just how? How?


9.) 30 Jan 2022 13:10:13
Its not just the stance from the club that is important, but also from us the fans.
The response from everyone on here has been unanimous today, the bloody lip photo is particularly horrific.
Any of our players who is found to had perpetrated such an act should not be allowed to stay at our club, regardless of the financial cost to the club, we are better than that and we should make our opinions known to the Management Board.


10.) 30 Jan 2022 13:26:26
Ed077 totally agreed. DSG seriously lad have a chat with yourself.

{Ed077's Note - that wasn't DSG though.

These allegations are way way beyond football, let alone MUFC. We are talking about criminal acts here.


11.) 30 Jan 2022 14:22:20
For too long sportstars have been getting away with this behaviour, look at the NFL and what they get away with.

If guilty, a prison sentence is a must and a ban from ever playing professional football again.

We need however to address the abuse of this, why do players think it is acceptable to behave this way, their sense of entitlement is disgusting.

{Ed0666's Note - why label it as a sporting issue it’s a gender issue? Why do men (and some women) feel that it’s ok to throw hands to resolve a dispute?


12.) 30 Jan 2022 14:57:26
Apologies DSG. Very sorry. Indeed my post was meant to be about Attack Attack Attack. I meant to say "as DSG said".


13.) 30 Jan 2022 15:09:25
I agree with ED here. It's about violence agents others, and in particular male violence against women. This is a only a sporting issue if being a star means getting away with this sort of behavior either because the police or the club do not act, or act favorably towards the perpetrator. Pending the investigation Greenwood should be suspended, but MUFC does not need to go beyond that at this time. The justice system needs to do its job, and hopefully expeditiously. If the allegations are proven (and it most certainly looks like they will be), then hopefully United have a clause written into ts contracts that allows them to be voided in the event of criminal behavior.


14.) 30 Jan 2022 15:26:31
Disgusted, there is no place in society for that behaviour. The police need to be given the time and space to investigate this properly and for the legal process to be concluded.

If true (as looks likely) then I hope our club acts with the proper dignity befitting an institution such as ours and they cancel his contract and bomb him out the club.


15.) 30 Jan 2022 16:30:39
Don, I wasn't condoning or belittling what Greenwood has done. I said that jail will be too good. I hate the idiot for what he's done. More importantly, i cannot imagine what the poor girl has gone through. People like Greenwood don't deserve to live.
I have a daughter and two granddaughters, so, please don't lecture me on values.
My post was implying and having a go at hiding issues and allowing players to misbehave in any way they want. And in the case of Greenwood, his behaviour is worse than anything.
Hope that clears up the misunderstanding and I can assure you that football is nothing to me, but people's wellbeing and this poor girl's welfare should be uppermost in all our thoughts.


16.) 30 Jan 2022 17:47:45
Attack x3 fair enough. I think it's important to draw a separation between criminality and our beliefs of ideal behaviour. I objected to putting Lingard and Pogbas name anywhere near what Greenwood seems to have done. I acknowledge you didn't intend that, and am not questioning your values, but, respectfully, your post was in bad taste.


 

 

17 Oct 2021 11:51:32
A slight shift away from the managerial debate.

Watching Maguire, a Manchester United captain and £80m footballer, put in yet another shaky and inept performance, brought home how embarrassed I have been of United’s recent club captains.

Check out this list of captains since the 80s: Bryan Robson
Steve Bruce
Eric Cantona
Roy Keane
Gary Neville
Nemanja Vidic

Then follow that up with:
Antonio Valencia
Ashley Young
Harry Maguire

Tells you all you need to know about the shambolic recruitment, non existent planning and rewarding mediocrity/ failure.

I gather we are in talks to extend Maguire well ahead of expiry and giving him a huge pay rise.


1.) 17 Oct 2021 12:01:25
Agree that Maguire isn't upto the mark as a captain when you compare him to the legends above but yesterdays performance wasnt all down to him. It was a stupid decision by the buffoon to play him when he hadn't trained 2 full sessions because he was out injured and was just returning.


2.) 17 Oct 2021 12:20:47
It isn’t just about yesterday UA. He is regularly a liability and does ridiculously dumb things on the pitch. I actually think he lacks confidence in personality and isn’t comfortable in his shoes as United captain.

Take the armband away and he might even play better.


3.) 17 Oct 2021 12:22:10
But most of his mistakes weren't really injury related.

First goal he just doesn't come to the ball and gets it knicked off of him.

Second goal he unnecessarily plays the ball out for a corner under no pressure.

Third goal he sees vardy and goes to mark him then backs away for no reason.

Fourth goal he sees daka making the run and doesn't move in any way to stop him.

If he got caught in a 1 vs 1 with vardy and got done for pace or undone by a tricky piece of skill by maddison or iheanacho, then fair enough i'd cut him some slack.


4.) 17 Oct 2021 12:23:54
Maguire is a poor defender. His lack of mobility and pace is a real issue and rightly so, is often targeted in defence. More often than not he can be see man ha doing players week in, week out.

The easy thing would be to sell him, cut our losses and bring in a CB who can play football and defend.


5.) 17 Oct 2021 12:26:46
Maguire starts the season slow and has been terrible this season. Even after getting fully fit is an average at best defender. Hopefully a proper manager gets rid of him quick and get a good partner for varane.
Lindelof needs to be moved on as well.


6.) 17 Oct 2021 12:39:53
Given his ineptitude yesterday and the general ineptitude of the club's management, I would not be surprised if United upped their offer.


7.) 17 Oct 2021 15:01:21
I disagree that the mistakes yesterday weren’t injury related, he was clearly struggling after 15 minutes and kept kicking the ball out of play, the one where he put it out for the corner before their 2nd goal was definitely because he was injured / tired, he should have controlled it, turned and passed it out, instead he gives a stupid corner away. Playing him was one mistake, keeping him on at half time when he showed in the first half how off the pace he was is absolutely unforgivable.


 

 

04 Jan 2021 22:23:30
Excellent result tonight Saints!

It has to be full strength against city in the Milk Cup, we need to make a final. And if we can squeeze a result then for me it has to be a fairly second string in the FA Cup on the weekend as the Burnley game is simply a must win, with even more interest now.

We could then head to Anfield with just a draw being a brilliant result (if it wasn’t already) and you never know what.

More importantly, is it true that Ole knocked Red Man's pint out of his hand in Hacienda's back in the day and didn't replace it? If so, unforgivable! 😂.


1.) 04 Jan 2021 22:31:53
I would rest a couple tomorrow, I don't think we will tho.


2.) 04 Jan 2021 23:04:14
Who do you rest jred?
Maguire awb bruno rash are the only ones that play most weeks.
I thought rash looked a bit tired awb just had a rest bruno and harry play when fit.
All the others are rotated regularly anyway.
We need to start winning. It might sound silly but winning this cup could inspire them to the title.


3.) 04 Jan 2021 23:20:42
Watford at home in the fa cup 3rd round on saturday, surely the game to rest players as opposed to a semi final against city.


4.) 04 Jan 2021 23:27:39
Ken
Rash and bruno , I don't think we will tho . I would also give henderson a game
I personally couldn't care less about the efl cup but others will.


5.) 04 Jan 2021 23:56:18
I think henderson is a certainty i think bruno should play. Rash looks knackered.
All competitions are important as far as I'm concerned. The best teams and managers strive to win every trophy. Sure the are times when you would prioritise but note when you've never won anything like our manager and most of our players. None of them would turn their nose up at the efl nor should they. Paisley pep fergie jose all won it more than once. Those are they guys to follow for winning mentality imo.


6.) 05 Jan 2021 06:11:35
Fergy played the kids on many occasions.


7.) 05 Jan 2021 08:24:43
In semi finals? I don't remember that.


8.) 05 Jan 2021 09:07:15
Ken i'm not surprised .


9.) 05 Jan 2021 10:35:17
I don’t see the logic in resting Rashford and Bruno in a semi final against our City rivals.

We have a full 6 days before our next PL fixture after this semi final, and an FA Cup 3rd round game against a championship side looks the more logical fixture to rest our key players.

Just don’t get that logic sorry jred.


10.) 05 Jan 2021 11:10:08
Wazza it would be handy to give a couple a rest imo and this may well be the last chance .
We rested rash martial against Everton telles henderson tuenz VDB all started against Everton in the last round no-one battered an eye .
I don't really mind either way.


11.) 05 Jan 2021 11:22:43
I would rest a couple in the fa as well.


12.) 05 Jan 2021 11:43:16
A QF against Everton isn’t the same as a SF against City.

This is an opportunity to get to a final, and it could be against Jose. Go all out for the win I say.

You mention it’s the last chance to rest players. We have a chance to rest players in the very next fixture.

Strongest team vs City, then 11 changes for the Watford game.


13.) 05 Jan 2021 11:51:06
First team tomorrow, second team In FA Cup, first team then ready for 2 very big games.


14.) 05 Jan 2021 13:59:04
Depends on the mentality.


 

 

21 Nov 2020 22:19:45
We are top (half) of the league!


 

 

22 Sep 2020 10:19:10
Got to love Patrice Evra. Came out and blasted some senior people at the club with some home truths, which he will have better insight than most into.

Certain ex players involved in the media will not speak the truth in case they ruin their chances of a cushy job with the club (like first team manager?! ), but this guy speaks from the heart.

Some senior leaches with zero football knowledge and interest, who are involved in football matters in our club, need to be smoked out. Sadly little chance of this happening.


1.) 22 Sep 2020 10:44:53
i got to say, it was emotional watching uncle pat. i think a lot of us are feeling what he said to a degree.
There is no point in blaming people though. No one turns up to work job wanting to do a bad job. The incompetence is a problem because we don't have people who can support them or even spot what is going wrong. There is no one with any experience of what good looks like in a football club who is allowed to pull the strings.


2.) 22 Sep 2020 11:15:39
He’s a confrontational character, but hopefully his outburst is not in vain. I think the club are rather fortunate no fans can attend right now in many ways otherwise there would be huge protests about how they are running the club.


 

 

 

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07 May 2022 18:13:20
Not sure what you’d gain from that Ed014 but ok.
It’s a stupid club that does stupid things like that.

{Ed014's Note - well obviously you’d keep the utter clown and he’d continue to take you backwards.

That’s kind of what I’d get Rave. ?

That and the rest of the Prem obvs.


 

 

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07 May 2022 18:00:30
Let’s hope United don’t soil their pants once again and offer even more money to ‘keep him from the clutches of City’.

{Ed014's Note - let’s hope they do!?


 

 

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26 Nov 2021 09:40:30
Cr92, very well said.

Back to the original topic, this is an exciting appointment and hopefully signals a new direction for the club, being receptive to a new way of thinking led by football technicians. Here’s hoping.

I’m almost thinking it’s better this way round rather than say a Poch coming in partway on a permanent deal, less pressure when he comes in with some momentum (hopefully) and a pre season to build and plan.

A run to the champs league semis would be nice for some excitement, but once again the absolute aim has become top 4 finish, which will now be very hard with the top 3 basically guaranteed.


 

 

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25 Jun 2020 18:54:41
Thanks Ed. To my untrained eye those seem easily solvable issues. I guess it’s when they start to make demands about guaranteed opportunities or silly money it starts to get complicated.
Yes seems a clear business model for the German clubs, trading these kids as financial assets (which is ultimately what footballers now are? ) . Working well for Dortmund.


 

 

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25 Jun 2020 18:10:32
Surprised and disappointed to see the Ed say this a few times. Nick Cox is the head of academy right? What are we doing wrong?
Fact is I see very few academy players make it as first team regulars at the very big clubs, certainly in England.
Ed is it all about the lack of a development plan and route to the first team, or is it also agents/ third parties driving some of these kids’ demands?
We still seem to be able to sign some top prospects from around Europe (at least when we splash the cash on wages) .

{Ed002's Note - It is largely the failure to have a plan for each player - that might include loans, training with the first team squad and moving forward. There is also a growing issue where youngsters want too much too soon - and that is why several German sides are constantly attending youth games in England.}


 

 

 

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14 May 2022 13:32:28
Love to know who it was, just can’t think who has actually got any fight in them.
My money’s on Bailly being one of them ?.


 

 

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10 Jan 2022 22:08:25
Love that image Recon.
From that to Valencia, Young and Maguire. Shoot me now.


 

 

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31 Dec 2021 11:15:19
It was ‘only’ Burnley but that was the best midfield performance from a united player in ages.
Brilliant box to box performance, which is his best role.
I also thought he spoke well in interview. Good lad.

If we want to make anything of this season then a quality holding/ defensive midfielder with energy is needed in Jan.

Also Shaw looked good after a rest, first half mainly. It’s a revalation that dropping players can actually do them good. Same needed for Bruno and Rashford.

Ronaldo was more lively and involved than previous games. Cavani was given a bit of a nothing role it has to be said. Strange one to sort.


 

 

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16 Dec 2021 23:16:21
It’s already become unfair now between the teams who are able to get their games in and those who can’t. Certain teams’ fixture pileups could be very damaging. Also hampering their chances of any silverware as they may have to compromise in the cups.


 

 

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13 Dec 2021 10:03:53
Mancman - quality.