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06 Jun 2023 22:59:56
Why has no one from the PL tried to sign Messi? Moving to Barcelona is not a foregone conclusion. Saudi is an option for him but maybe 1 year deal at at PL team? Would you like to see him at United? Commercial revenue alone would be massive.
1.) 07 Jun 2023 00:28:35
1.) he's getting on in age and past his best.
2.) His wages are astronomical.
3.) He has literally achieved everything there is to achieve in football so motivations level to move to a new competitive league will be low.
4.) CR37s experience with us second time round was a disaster.
5.) Doubt he would be interested in moving to Manchester or Liverpool and none of the London clubs are going to move for him.
2.) 07 Jun 2023 01:05:11
As great as Messi is, you have to change the way the team plays to adapt to him. He won't press, just like Ronaldo did not. And he is not a #9. He was able to be a false 9 for many years in Barcelona because they had the ball all the time. The PL is more up and down, less patient. Messi as a #10 would dictate the team's formation and disrupt the defensive pressing. With the ball, of course, is quite another story.
3.) 07 Jun 2023 01:18:17
I’m a little surprised that neither City nor Chelski has made a move, to be honest. As a fan of the game, I’d love to see him do a season or two in the UK. At this point in his career, I’m not sure that failure would prove all that much, but if he were to perform even half as well as he did over in France, I dare say it would bring an end to the Messi Ronaldo debate once and for all. Not sure I’d want him playing for us, mind, even if that were an option.
4.) 07 Jun 2023 08:23:38
Come on, who wouldn't love to see Messi in a Utd shirt for a season lol.
Can't see it in a million years and probably rightly so with those wages.
But wouldn't be surprised if he joined Pep for a season, especially if Gundogan leaves.
5.) 07 Jun 2023 08:47:57
The chance of Messi coming to the PL would have been after leaving Barcalona and that move never materialised potentially down to the money it would cost.
As great as he is I don't see what team would throw there style and plans up and bring him in, let's be honest it was not exactly a resounding success at PSG.
If Pep can't get him I doubt anyone could. It will be an emotional return to Barcalona (with maybe a 3rd party offering wages to help) or Saudi league for a final huge pay off for 2/ 3 years.
6.) 07 Jun 2023 11:33:58
Terrible idea for us. Need to move on from signing these super stars in their twilight years. It has been a miserable experience for the club in terms of winning trophies. Messi for me is the greatest off all time and wish him the best.
7.) 07 Jun 2023 13:05:45
Why would any team really want him except for shirt sales and media exposure
He’s finished at the top level just like Ronaldo.
25 Jun 2022 16:48:38
Small rumours Liverpool may look to offload Salah as they don't want to pay him £400k per week (and I think he is out of contract next year? )
Apaz they would sell for £60mill.
I know he's Liverpool player etc, but if there is a sniff of him available, united should try. I know I know rumours, plays for liverpool, they wouldn't sell to us etc.
Stranger things have happened, he could finally get his hands on the Europa League, something liverpool can't offer him AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA.
1.) 25 Jun 2022 17:14:40
He wouldn't consider coming to United. It'd ruin his Liverpool legacy.
Liverpool might want to push him this year to avoid losing him for nothing next summer but I'm not sure who the buyer would be.
I can't see Bayern spending that sort of money on him.
PSG have just tied themselves down financially with Mbappe. Unless someone buys Neymar they won't move for a big name player.
Barcelona can't afford to pay that sort of fee. And seem set on Lewandowski.
The Italian clubs are mostly looking to sell and won't spend big as the C.V. hit them hard.
I can't see City spending big on a forward after signing both Haaland and Alvarez.
Real Madrid are a possibility, maybe.
Beyond that maybe Chelsea, but I'd doubt he'd want to go back or Liverpool would want to sell to a domestic rival.
He'll either leave for free next summer or sign a new deal at Liverpool in my opinion.
2.) 25 Jun 2022 17:28:11
Bold opinion to close there shappy ?.
{Ed0666's Note - or sign for Barca as the consensus is?
3.) 25 Jun 2022 17:57:21
There would be no holy reason Salah would choose us rather than Liverpool. Surely one of if not the most attractive club in the world at the present. Surprised Mane left, but the striker trio has needed an overhaul for a while. I assumed Firminho would be first but he might be the last.
4.) 25 Jun 2022 18:23:11
One more season at Pool then leave on a free to Barca/ Real/ PSG or even City.
5.) 25 Jun 2022 18:08:44
By the sounds of it 66 salah will be going wherever his “agent” can’t get the most money.
{Ed0666's Note - apparently he’s salah’s agent but salah’s attorney/advisor.
6.) 25 Jun 2022 19:43:31
If it’s the fella I think it is, he seems a prat.
25 Nov 2021 16:57:10
Out of interest, if Rangnick turns out to be as good as everyone says, why is he not being asked to manage for a longer term basis? Why just 6 months and then move upstairs?
It's been made out that he's the best manager ever in Germany etc but he's never linked with with a massive club?
I'm asking because I don't know enough of the footballing side of him.
1.) 25 Nov 2021 18:22:07
Hes stated a few times he doesnr want to be a long term manager, doing the duties above the manager is what he prefers.
21 Nov 2021 13:11:59
Zidane to come in I think.
He's Mr Champions League.
He has Mr Champions League in attack.
He's got an elite defender.
I would happily take Zidane. The league is off. Push for top 4, realistically think we will finish outside.
I wouldn't be surprised if Zidane does become manager that we reach the semi or final of champions league, if we qualify for knock outs.
CL matches are isolated matches so it's form on the day. The league is obviously different and you need to keep going.
{Ed077's Note - and there's Champions League Varane too.
1.) 21 Nov 2021 14:01:59
Don't see it happening and not convinced by him at all. Sexy name.
2.) 21 Nov 2021 13:41:59
Ed077 how dare you forget Champions League Ronaldo aswell.
I just hope Rogers doesn't get the job. I can see him wing sacked by Leicester soon. I'm sure they might be happy for United to pay for him to be released, rather than sack him. Saves them paying out. They would do the double over rate. First selling Maguire, then offloading Rogers.
I just hope he is not a thought.
{Ed077's Note - isn't "Mr Champions league in attack" in the OP in reference to C. Ronaldo?
3.) 21 Nov 2021 18:30:26
Ed077, my bad.
{Ed077's Note - no worries mate
06 Nov 2021 15:35:21
Writing is clearly on the wall.
The board will continue with Ole.
Great watching post match analysis by Keane. He shows more heart being a pundit than that lot of misfits. Top to bottom. Shocking team. We are a top 10 team. We are where Liverpool were before Rodgers. We are shocking, shambolic and rubbish.
Can't see who will take over at the end of the season, genuinely.
Everyone says Rodgers/ Zidane/ Conte/ Poch not good enough etc (me included about Zidane) . They are all much better than Ole. We need something different. Anything is better. Even just to freshen up the dressing room.
1.) 06 Nov 2021 16:13:07
Thing about Keane and Neville is that they’ll criticise the players but not the manager. Yes, the players are playing like dog rubbish, but Ole is the guy who has spent more money than any other manager putting this team together and the buck stops with him.
2.) 06 Nov 2021 16:22:29
micah richards was more honest and articulate and he’s an ex city player and fan.
3.) 06 Nov 2021 16:28:12
Ole will still be here next season.
4.) 06 Nov 2021 16:38:48
Give Keane the job too the end of the season. Wouldn’t bother me how the season finished now but would love to see some fireworks within that squad.
Ole may not be the best choice but these players are doing nothing to help him. Maguire is the worst captain this club has ever had and that is something Ole deserves a lot of criticism for allowing him to have it.
5.) 06 Nov 2021 16:50:42
It’s a sad state of affairs where I wouldn’t be bothered if every single player was sold. There all a disgrace. You can hide behind a shocking manager and play the blame game all you like. They don’t know how privileged they are to be in the position to play for this magnificent club. No passion no heart.
6.) 06 Nov 2021 17:11:00
All of you criticizing the players should listen to Scholes.
7.) 06 Nov 2021 17:24:16
Totally disagree United Addict
The players can blame the tactics the coaches whoever they like but to show absolutely no desire no passion is unforgivable in my eyes.
8.) 06 Nov 2021 17:34:50
Keane made a key point, if the experienced players look at the manager and coaches and think they don’t know what they are doing it’s trouble, how can they not look at them that way?
9.) 06 Nov 2021 17:50:11
That's because their tired of the ineptitude being preached/ coached to them as the United Way.
10.) 06 Nov 2021 17:54:12
Keane, in an indirect way, did say that Ole probably needs to go. I can’t believe Ole was saying in the pre match press conference United are the best in Manchester. I’m amazed. No I’m actually gobsmacked.
Micah was great today as a pundit.
Can’t believe Gary Neville thinks that just because a “big manager” signing such as LVG and JM failed, that United should continue with Ole. What does that even mean. He’s had 3 years.
Daniel Levy doesn’t hang around in making decisions. Nor does Roman At Chelsea. Fired Lampard, irrespective of his legacy at Chelsea. Few months later they’ve won the CL and this season look like they’re in the mix for the PL.
But it’s ok, give my mate another 8 months so that he can suck the soul out of some of the best Talent in the PL and make them look like Welbeck.
GTFO.
11.) 06 Nov 2021 18:02:55
Blackpool Red,
The way the team was setup to sit back, absorb pressure and hit on the counter I felt the players did what they could, at least they did what was done in training I guess.
Even the times we tried to press they managed to counter our press with ease.
The players could have all the passion and desire but without proper training, system and a plan to counter what's coming it's no use.
City just like Liverpool outplayed us in every aspect and the players just couldn't cope with that.
Even when City were playing at a walking pace I saw no instructions from the dugout to press them. It was all too easy for them.
12.) 06 Nov 2021 18:19:48
When the players stop doing it, you know they are not playing for the manager. Get him out or risk losing more.
13.) 06 Nov 2021 18:37:19
Richards is fast becoming my favourite pundit,
Ole is responsible for this mess but seeing players not putting the effort in when they are earning millions is sickening. OK, they may be wondering about tactics and formation but running a lot, being energetic, showing desire have nothing to do with the Manager. Shameful.
14.) 06 Nov 2021 18:53:25
Just interested in how you can compare and usually compare to Liverpool pre Rodgers? Just how exactly? Cause GH won a cup treble and others. RB won the CL and other trophies won. No league correct. But wow to compare to CL winners. Bemused.
15.) 06 Nov 2021 18:53:45
AJH, "running a lot, being energetic, showing desire have nothing to do with the Manager", really?
So, what has Ole done to rectify that? I didn't see Ole or his assistants on the sidelines shouting at the players to do so.
It's probably because Ole has instructed his players to sit back and protect and keep the pressing to a minimal. Ole's safety first approach.
16.) 06 Nov 2021 19:08:41
GT probably not specific enough from me.
What I was alluding to was the time when Liverpool were changing managers periodically along with finishing outside the top 4. You know that period of time when the direction Liverpool were taking wasn’t clear, that period.
It’s the same for United right now. Except for we are spending a lot of money compared to Liverpool and have got no idea how to play these players as a team.
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22 Jul 2022 15:44:27
Is it a case of he doesn't want to come, or publically he is saying this, because he is owed 17 million euros? If he says he wants to leave publically, then should imagine Barcelona will simply say you can go without the money owed. You could look at it the opposite way - why would you want to stay at a club that have pretty much publically said you can be sold? Both answers lead me to the money he is owed. I don't blame him tbh, but if he does stay at Barcelona I wonder if they will try and force him out etc.
{Ed002's Note - He would still be owed the money if he left for Barcelona. He has made it clear he does not want to move to Manchester United. He has a contract with Barcelona - they cannot force him out.}
25 Nov 2021 15:28:23
Quite annoyed that we are appointing someone who says “football and politics” shouldn’t mix - this was in reference to racism and taking stands against racism. Forget him being a good manager, if he’s not willing to help combat racism then We are appointing the wrong person. People above football. Not the other way round.
26 Oct 2021 12:09:42
Love S'Alex. Best ever manager and responsible for blooding through countless legends, along with the GOAT CR7. Played real football, was always in charge, took no rubbish and his record is impeccable. Not to mention his record before arriving at United. Love and respect him.
However.
If we keep involving him in moving the club forward, then we are going to find it hard to move forward. Too much of a renaissance with the past. Ole, Fletcher, Carrick and Phelan. I was, and still am, excited by CR 7 returning. I do take on board its a step backwards, but everyone talks about 'go and get Harry Kane, he guarantees 25-30 goals every season. ' Ronaldo does exactly the same, but brings more revenue. He just doesn't get the supply - because the manager and his coaches don't know how to set the team up.
The point of him returning is to score goals. he's only going to continue to decline as he gets older, despite his fantastic shape and athleticism. We don't have time to give ole until the end of the season, otherwise what was the point in signing Ronaldo? You could argue Mason, Rashford and Sancho have their best years ahead so waiting a year isn't too bad. However with Ole in charge, I am confident we will not finish in the top 4. Once we meet a strong team in Europe, we will be out and probably out of Europa (as a means to get CL next year) . No chance of winning the FA Cup. Don't forget, we have still yet to play Chelsea/ ManCity TWICE and Liverpool AWAY. Can you see us getting more than maybe 2-4 points, from a total of 15? The league is done. This is truly a rescue mission for someone. On paper we have got some worldies but if the manager can't do his job - MANAGE - then what's the point. If i couldn't do my job, on substantially less money than Ole, I would be told to jog on.
The only reason we are a 'top 4' club is because of our spending power - make no mistake we are not a top 4 club currently because of our football. We are a joke of club right now, from the top down to Freds passing range and Maguires defending ability. £80mil this guy cost us - for what.
If he stays in charge, he has to do something different. Drop Maguire for Bailly, put in VDB, play Cavani - just do something different because the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results!
Rant over.
SinghWhenYoureWinning's banter replies
15 Jun 2023 08:44:24
Found him and David Ornstein to be most reliable - not sure what OP is on about.
13 Oct 2022 16:15:03
Shappy, i'm a medical doctor in the NHS.
You don’t test for genetic conditions unless there is a reason. The first time you know about a condition is when someone becomes unwell and you investigate it. Sometimes the first time you know about Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy is when someone has a cardiac arrest. I’m sure he would have had an ECG and echo scan of the heart at some point which even then, may not have shown any abnormality.
Then they’ll start to investigate it as HCM is a genetic condition so normally we would test siblings etc but you have to have a reason to test for it.
What you might actually mean to say is “why don’t football clubs actively look for these genetic conditions that are seen commonly in elite athletes. ’
The NHS wouldn’t do that routinely due to cost implication but obvious football clubs can afford it etc.
I personally think they should do!
06 Jun 2022 11:27:55
I think we all need to understand that Man United are no longer a 'big' draw. City, Liverpool and probably Chelsea are bigger draws than united. We need to stop living in the past. I don't think the players care too much playing for a team that had 'scholes beckham etc' in midfield. They want to play CL, aim for the big titles and personal accolades such as D'or.
We can get back to being a big draw, but clearly Pep and Klopp and even Tuchel are bigger draws as they have all won the CL and 2/ 3 have won the league before and know what it takes.
United is a projectl, which is probably going to take 2-3 years if we are honest. City will get stronger, especially if Pep extends. Klopp already extended.
We can only hope that the players mentioned do move to us, but we need to cut ties with the past, such as SAF, as it doesn't allow you to move forward. ETH seems like he doesn't give a rubbish and if you don't fit in, you're out. Absolutely love it. I am excited for the upcoming season, but will be really deflated if maguire is first choice CB and captain. DDG for captain would be good, seems like the most one with passion along with CR7. AWB/ Shaw out.
I am hopeful, and I would be happy with a top 4 finish season in the upcoming season, anything more would be a bonus.
06 Nov 2021 19:08:41
GT probably not specific enough from me.
What I was alluding to was the time when Liverpool were changing managers periodically along with finishing outside the top 4. You know that period of time when the direction Liverpool were taking wasn’t clear, that period.
It’s the same for United right now. Except for we are spending a lot of money compared to Liverpool and have got no idea how to play these players as a team.
06 Nov 2021 17:54:12
Keane, in an indirect way, did say that Ole probably needs to go. I can’t believe Ole was saying in the pre match press conference United are the best in Manchester. I’m amazed. No I’m actually gobsmacked.
Micah was great today as a pundit.
Can’t believe Gary Neville thinks that just because a “big manager” signing such as LVG and JM failed, that United should continue with Ole. What does that even mean. He’s had 3 years.
Daniel Levy doesn’t hang around in making decisions. Nor does Roman At Chelsea. Fired Lampard, irrespective of his legacy at Chelsea. Few months later they’ve won the CL and this season look like they’re in the mix for the PL.
But it’s ok, give my mate another 8 months so that he can suck the soul out of some of the best Talent in the PL and make them look like Welbeck.
GTFO.