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20 Mar 2018 00:19:04
Hi Eds - Just wondering if Utd are still interested in Carlos Soler and if you can shed any light on a potential deal?

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - There is interest but Valencia are not keen to sell.}


1.) 20 Mar 2018 08:01:42
Ed002, awhile back there was reports United was interested in another Valencia player, Jose Gaya. Is there any interest there is was it just click bait?

{Ed002's Note - JM was interested when he was at Chelsea, but I gues MU might add him to the list of LBs they are interested in.}


2.) 20 Mar 2018 17:55:07
Ed002, if you don't mind who is on that list of LB's and will Shaw move on in the summer? Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed - if Mourinho were to leave maybe Shaw will stay but right now he wants him gone and would like one of the following:
Danny Rose (LB)
Aaron Martin (LB)
Alex Sandro (LB) - I would strike him from the list now but don't be surprised if he reappears - it all depends on a player at another club
Philipp Max (LB)}


3.) 20 Mar 2018 17:56:26
Cheers Ed.


4.) 20 Mar 2018 19:16:36
Cheers Ed.


5.) 20 Mar 2018 19:31:12
I suspect that Philipp Max will end up at Bayern Munich if Alaba leaves. Ironically he looks like a really good left back. Just the kind I would like to see brought in. Young, talented and hungry with loads of potential.


6.) 21 Mar 2018 04:31:26
Ed2 are united looking at sessengon.

{Ed002's Note - there was interest when JM was at another side.}


7.) 21 Mar 2018 12:06:37
Huggy, allegedly Shaw is quite hungry, too :)


 

 

21 Feb 2018 23:45:43
I'm reading a lot of people justifying that pathetic performance. SAF played like this in Europe, Sevilla are tough at home, no easy games at this stage of the competition.

The thing is we play like this whenever we come up against a half decent team. Incidentally Moyes took us away in Europe and we played some great stuff, remember the guy that had no European experience?

Sevilla are not up to much, but we were lucky to escape with a draw tonight however you want to dress it up. They will be very dangerous at OT, far more dangerous than we were tonight.

Maybe it was like this sometimes under SAF, but only "SOMETIMES" with Jose it's every time. If we go out to Sevilla, it's because we didn't play to win tonight.

It would be nice to not read BS excuses to justify this rubbish we are subjected to almost every week. Maybe my drum is getting worn out, but the excuse bank is surely out of coin by now. It's just not good enough, we put up with a rubbish Europa League campaign to qualify for this by the skin of our teeth and then put in these types of performances! WTFP?

The Beast

1.) 21 Feb 2018 23:57:48
How many games did Moyes do us proud in Europe? Was it just the Leverkusen game or . No one is saying Jose is producing exceptional football bit my god the hyperbole in here is ridiculous.


2.) 21 Feb 2018 23:59:13
Goos post Beast and i reckon we houdlve gone for the kill today as i hope but Jose played it safe which is quite sad considering how poor Sevilla were today.

The players look scared to try something exciting ncase it doesn't work and jose gets angry.

They are all under strict rules by the looks of it.


3.) 22 Feb 2018 00:20:46
Made attacking substitutions the team just didn't click going forward.


4.) 22 Feb 2018 01:32:09
Weren't they like for like subs (Rashford/ Martial for Sanchez/ Mata)? It's not clicking because we attack with 3 men maximum, often just 2 - we have forgotten how to attack as a team as it seems our main focus is on keeping teams out, not making them keep us out.

It's anti-Utd and it isn't hyperbole if it happens virtually every time we play a team that isn't prepared to curl up and die.


5.) 22 Feb 2018 10:10:12
Couldn’t agree more beast. Went away yet again not to get beaten rather than trying to take the game to them. Nobody here can tell me man for man Sevilla are a better side than us, so why not attack them, why be happy with a bore draw? Anyone who things a nil nil is a good away score line is mistaken. A score draw not too bad, but a nil nil means we now have to win the return leg. Score draw and we’re out. Pathetic performance once again last night, nothing is inproving.


6.) 22 Feb 2018 11:44:57
Rubbish europa league campaign? You mean the one we won? Oh no we won a trophy but we didn't win it in this specific way that makes me happy. Are you aware of how spoilt you sound. You know this is why fans of other clubs hate us - a huge amount of us have got too used to success. We have to be practical we are still in a rebuilding phase. Yes a lot of money has been spent but the team needed and needs a lot of work. Short termism and harking back to the good old days do not benefit the club.


7.) 22 Feb 2018 12:56:33
Beast, you called it absolutely right. If De Gea hadn't made unbelievable saves, we will be looking at a 2 or 3 nil scoreline. I hate the passionless, clueless displays. I hate the lack of cohesion in the team. This result is not a good result, one goal for Seville and we have to score two. Even if we score first, we will still be extremely nervous.
I would say it is advantage Seville.
But the most ridiculous post i'd the one from 12daysofhemida. "A huge amount of us have got used to success", "We have to be practical we are still in a rebuilding phase", "Short termism and harking back to the good old days do not benefit the club". These are exactly the type of comments that drive me potty. How could you get too used to success? So shall we have a few years of rubbish performances as we don't want to be to used to success? Utter tripe. Then he mentions we are still rebuilding, we have been rebuilding for five years. A good business doesn't allow its performance to deteriorate, then start rebuilding. All the top clubs are in a constant state of rebuilding. Harking back to the old times? History is what defines you, and history is what you learn from and improve. So when you talk about harking back to the old times, you're basically telling us that we might as well throw away our history.
If you allow standards to drop and mediocrity to set in, then we might as well pack our bags and go home. That's not the philosophy of the club I've supported for over 50 years. we were built on attacking entertaining football with all the right values. Unfortunately, we are losing these values.


8.) 22 Feb 2018 15:03:38
Attack x3 you'd make a fine spin doctor.

"So shall we have a few years of rubbish performances as we don't want to be to used to success? "

The few years of rubbish performances HAPPENED under Moyes and LVG. Alongside that were rubbish results. No one was happy, myself included. Now Jose has improved RESULTS a hell of a lot. The performances (last night included) are still often poor. You cannot expect results and performances to be improved when the squad is substandard for a title tilt. Jose is improving us.

"we have been rebuilding for five years. "

Yes, that's just how bad we got.

"A good business doesn't allow its performance to deteriorate, then start rebuilding. "

I agree, but that is exactly what the club allowed to happen. Expecting five years of stagnation to be corrected in two years is unrealistic.

"History is what defines you, and history is what you learn from and improve. "

Once again we agree. history has shown us that sticking by a manager when we fans are calling for his head can be beneficial. Can you imagine what would have happened if the fans had been listened to with Fergie? Also whilst we're talking about history, here's one from Fergie, "Attack wins you games, defence wins you leagues. " I think that is what Mourinho is trying to do.

"So when you talk about harking back to the old times, you're basically telling us that we might as well throw away our history. "

Er. no. Just no. I can't even think of a witty, relevant or scathing retort to that. Sorry.

"If you allow standards to drop and mediocrity to set in, then we might as well pack our bags and go home. That's not the philosophy of the club I've supported for over 50 years. we were built on attacking entertaining football with all the right values. Unfortunately, we are losing these values. "

Let me see if I can do your putting words in other people's mouth shtick. so if we don't play well and win you we should all stop supporting Utd? Utter tripe, piddle and tomfoolery.

We weren't built on attacking entertaining football it's a philosophy we have played more often than not since the days of Busby. A style of play that I love and miss, but since Ferguson left that philosophy has been left behind, through poor appointments, mismanagement and NOW necessity. Our defence isn't up to task and so we need to play more defensively.

Whilst having a nosy around the internet, I found this description of Newton Heath in their first season. "Tough, diligent men who formed a powerful side. " Sounds a lot like a Mourinho side. Maybe we were built on stoic defending first, entertaining football second (like all good teams) .


9.) 22 Feb 2018 18:22:17
Great post 12 days.
Beast the performances are poor but its the players not the manager.
How many top class players in our squad?
Not even top class on the european stage top class in epl. Jose performing minor miricle to keep them competitive imo.


10.) 22 Feb 2018 20:34:16
Great posts 12 days. As good as I've ever seen on here to be honest. Great way of debating.


11.) 22 Feb 2018 22:10:35
Oh come on now, it's ridiculous. People are still plugging their same view week in week out.

The fact is, there are some very good and some not so good players in the squad. It's the same for the rest of the top 6 or so teams. It's the manager's job to get the best out of them.

If your idea of getting the best of them is by holding the better players back to set up defensively and grind out results, then we'll agree that Mourinho is doing well. If your idea of an attacking, exciting and progressive style of football is the way forward, then he's not the right man.


 

 

13 Jan 2017 19:14:26
Hopefully this Costa incident is the trigger for the much needed Chelsea collapse. Win on Sunday and everyone will be scared that we are coming for them.

The Beast

{Ed025's Note - my fear beast is that they may make a move for lukaku now, he would jump at the chance imo mate..


1.) 13 Jan 2017 20:52:24
We, I really don't rate Lukaku, I know he can sometimes bully CBs and score dramatic goals but generally he looks like a fat lump blundering around. Just my view of course.

{Ed025's Note - thats very nasty and short sighted of you AJH...but very true.. :)


2.) 13 Jan 2017 22:07:38
He's like that heavily made up blonde on a night out who looks very tasty until you get her into the light, beer googles at their most seductive.


3.) 13 Jan 2017 22:10:18
😂😂😂


4.) 14 Jan 2017 03:46:48
If costa is sold or even just has a falling out with conte, we really need to beat liverpool, as i was hoping and i think most utd fans will agree, if we aren't able to win the league it is better if chelsea do it rather than one of city or liverpool.


5.) 14 Jan 2017 11:16:54
Lukaku is perfect for Chelsea's system but he's no Diego Costa. I can't see them letting him go this January though although a summer deal makes sense.


6.) 14 Jan 2017 12:13:23
I know Costa is expensive but £80 million for a coffee is just ridiculous.


7.) 14 Jan 2017 14:26:04
I'm not sure about timing but I read that the Chinese are going to be clamping down big time on the money being spent by their clubs, as a means of capital controls (just doing it with Bitcoin now) . So maybe there is a major timing factor involved, possibly a one time opportunity for the start of their new season.

Possibly why the amounts in question seem so desperate and why Costa is trying to force a move now. Just speculating of course.


8.) 14 Jan 2017 19:56:59
Costa isn't trying to force his way out.


9.) 15 Jan 2017 01:30:24
i hope costa stays where he is (and stops scoring) because if he leaves they might bid for moussa dembele of celtic.


10.) 15 Jan 2017 13:36:29
hmm Jackson, who knows what to believe. Quite a coincidence we were only talking of something like this the other day. That said you still smashed Leicester and have a £30m striker rotting on the bench, so still need a few more spanners in the works to give us a sniff.


11.) 16 Jan 2017 19:38:40
Hope he stays. He's saved my dream team this season.


 

 

01 Jul 2016 17:29:56
I just read that Neymar signs a 5 year deal, but his buyout clause rises the further he gets into his contract, this seems odd to me is it odd?

It's almost as if they are telling clubs to come and get him now if they are interested.

Does anybody know what his buyout was prior to the new contract? It's now £167m for the first year, rising to 186m 2nd year and then £209 for the third), on the Beeb.

The Beast

1.) 01 Jul 2016 18:07:30
Not sure but this deal is pretty sensible from barca, with teams like palace throwing £30m at Marseille for that Belgian lad who knows how much players will be going for in 5 years, it's gone even more ridiculous this year.


2.) 01 Jul 2016 18:08:46
Beast I don't know enough about buy out clauses but it makes great sense for the owners as under normal circumstances the players value decreases as his contact runs down. It also means that they will be in no rush to Renew and give him another rise in order to uphold his value.


3.) 01 Jul 2016 19:34:13
Great points guys, hadn't even considered that in my haste.


 

 

10 Jul 2015 16:38:30
Hi Ed's - I am a regular contributor to the site as you may know. Several people ask about a fantasy football league each year and I have been part of one for the past 4/5 years, I can vouch for the credibility of it. I didn't want to post on the website without your permission first, this is what I want to post, do you mind?

"I am part of a dream team league, ran by a chap called Andy. I have done this for the past 4+years and it works a treat. You pay £50 upfront and each month there is a prize for manager of the month, the remaining money goes into a pot for the top 3 managers of the year - all registration fees are redistributed to winning managers. I have personally won a few managers of the month and have been paid appropriately. This is just a group of guys coming together and nothing formal/company orchestrated, so if you want to join the league the code is 90970-25762 (it is the Fantasy Premier League). Andy will provide you with his acct details if you join and over recent seasons we have had over 50 people in the league – it was primarily a group of friends but I have asked him if he would mind me opening it up to my “banter buddies” and he has no problem so long as it causes him no issues"

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Sure, no problem.}


1.) 10 Jul 2015 17:24:08
Super Beast, Might join you on that .


2.) 10 Jul 2015 19:35:39
Now I'm confused yesterday someone was going to setup a FF competition for the lads all here at no cost, I think that £50 is a tad steep especially when in euros it's 70 or more for your one Beast.

Now I'm not a tight git but I try play the FF gig and more times than not forget to change players etc, as I get caught up in stuff at home or within family homes doing repairs etc so miss a lot of the tactical changes lol!!

If we were to set up a MUFC page FF competition and at a cost of €20/25 I would enter it no problem


3.) 10 Jul 2015 20:02:09
Pyramid Scheme!


4.) 10 Jul 2015 23:10:25
We had one for free last season, not sure who set it up but we had over 70 people in it from this website.

The one I am talking about has cash aspects attached so obviously won't be for everyone. I throw in £50 with this guys league because if you win a manager of the month its normally £80-£100, then £1k or so to overall winner.

Horses for courses, I just put it out there as some people were asking and I have always been paid on time.


 

 

 

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02 Sep 2018 16:00:15
I'm glad the manager has learnt he is managing Man Utd, not some underdog. Wait, no he picks Fellaini to combat the aerial threat of Burnley!

What about taking the game to Burnley and making them adapt to us?

He may score and be immense today, but frankly this type of negative, defensive first tactic sums up why he is not right for the club. What a joke, and no wonder the board didn't back him still further than they already have - dropping our big money signing for a guy that couldn't get a deal after hawking himself around the minnows of Europe.

One consolation if we do draw/ lose today will be we are rid of the 'negative one'.

The Beast

1.) 02 Sep 2018 17:17:10
Beast mate i'm sure you get the irony of you calling Anybody else 'the negative one'😂😂.


2.) 02 Sep 2018 17:35:54
Does being negative about negative football make you positive?


3.) 02 Sep 2018 17:41:35
How did it work out anyway beast in the end? 😂.


4.) 02 Sep 2018 17:51:03
He did well, but if we had taken the game to them rather than playing with three plodders in midfield it could and should have been 5 or 6-0 today. Goal difference is important, we know better than anybody.

Many a time this negative tactic hasn't worked, but we did enough today.


5.) 02 Sep 2018 18:01:47
Yeah okay beast. Burnley have been beaten 5-0 plenty of times haven't they?


6.) 02 Sep 2018 18:04:11
Fellaini was excellent today, its could have won 7-0 if they took their chances. Burnley couldn't get out precisely because Mourinho played matic and Fellaini in front of smalling and Lindelof. Their out ball to Woods was totally nullified.

The payoff was fullbacks pushed much further forward. Shaw caused problems all game. Can't wait for Dalot to push Tony V out of the team.

The attitude of the whole team was much better. Far more committment of players into their box. We worked hard and deserved to win.

Rom must be more clinical and Pogba more influential for us to mount any type of title challenge.


7.) 02 Sep 2018 18:18:44
Beast, you couldn't even wait until the match was over before you spouted your negative nonsense. I hate to break it to you pal, but Jose has forgotten more about football than you'll ever know.

We were in complete control of that game for 90 minutes. Despite the best efforts of an incredibly poor referee, we went to Turf Moor and dominated, a notoriously difficult place to play. We defended well, the midfield played well, especially Fellaini. We created a lot of chances and on another day that's a 5-0 result.

The away fans were amazing as always. The manager and the players deserve credit for the result today. A lot of pressure from fans and media who would love to see us crash and burn but we coped with that pressure today and that result is just the tonic we needed before the international break.

No need to hit the doomsday whistle just yet.


8.) 02 Sep 2018 18:38:37
Ridiculous to have a pop at Fellaini before the game even starts.

Not a fan of him myself but he played well at the World Cup and gives teams something else to think about.

From the last performance and result it’s not as if you can say that no one could be dropped.

Good solid performance. Hope Rashford is fined and disciplined by the club for his actions as in another match that could of cost us. At 2-0 up players should be ensuring that all the pressure remains on the opposition.

Annoying Pogba had his penalty saved. Don’t like his run up it makes me nervous!


9.) 02 Sep 2018 18:41:19
Good post mumbles and veey good analysis dodgy
Beast how often are burnley badly beaten at turf moor?


10.) 02 Sep 2018 18:46:32
No harm beast but your statement saying if we went for them we’d have won by about 5. Well, lukaku alone probably should have had 5 himself? That was a good solid performance. Unfortunatley marred by rashfords silly reaction.


11.) 02 Sep 2018 18:58:02
Ken I just find this type of post unbearable to read. We all know Beast's views, some I agree with, some I don't. But to slate a player and the manager before the match has even kicked off, in the hope it all goes pear shaped so he could say "I told you so" is so annoying.

If we lose or draw then he is well within hi's rights to have a pop, but to do it before the game quite frankly is disgraceful.


12.) 02 Sep 2018 19:07:38
Funny how Klopp brings in henderson the back passer he is lauded for shoring up the midfield, yet when Fellaini is brought in for us its negative and horrible.

Grow up beast we won 2-0 and couldve been 5 or 6.


13.) 02 Sep 2018 19:13:08
How often have Fulham beat them 4-2 and how many times have Burnley struggled with Europe and Sundays? They aren't the same animal as last year.

We won today comfortably, so it's easy for you all to spout off.

However my point is true, we drop a £60m signing for a defensive player to combat the threat of Burnley - we won, should have won by more. I think we would have won by a lot more had we played more offensive mobile midfielders personally.


14.) 02 Sep 2018 19:14:01
Crikey even when we win comfortably against a decent side away there is moaning. Beast you’ve missed your calling in life and should have been Parisian waiter 😃.


15.) 02 Sep 2018 18:23:15
It’s as simple as this, Fellaini shouldn’t be anywhere near the starting eleven for Manchester United.


16.) 02 Sep 2018 20:07:49
Bilko, bore off.

Fellaini a very good player. If that's the case he shouldn't be anywhere near that Belgian squad either.


17.) 02 Sep 2018 20:09:15
He shouldn't but we won and attacked until the last minute. didn't sit back and hold onto our lead.


18.) 02 Sep 2018 20:25:00
Angel,

Fellaini is a big lump, you think he would have got anywhere near a United team ahead of the likes of Keane and Scholes.?
You think he’d get anywhere near the City or Liverpool first elevens?


19.) 02 Sep 2018 20:25:04
Am I the only one who likes Fellaini.


20.) 02 Sep 2018 21:11:30
No Eric, you're not.

I also think he does a job, consummate professional, played well today against a team that is normally, very physical, made his presence felt, the lad did good today.


21.) 02 Sep 2018 21:11:30
No Eric, you're not.

I also think he does a job, consummate professional, played well today against a team that is normally, very physical, made his presence felt, the lad did good today.


22.) 02 Sep 2018 21:36:14
I like him. Never hid that fact.


23.) 02 Sep 2018 21:44:15
Im not a big fellaini fan he doesn't suit my eye at all.
That said and I've always said he gives 100% the manager likes him and he has certain attributes which woek for jose. He has a great attitude and spirit.
He does a job when called upon and usually does it well.
We might well have won today with fred in the team but we did win with fellaini and he did his job well so credit where its due.


24.) 02 Sep 2018 22:38:27
Bilko is right. Would Fellaini get in the team at any of Europe's top clubs?

The answer is no and you all know it. For all you bigging him up, I challenge you tell me I am wrong.


25.) 02 Sep 2018 22:39:51
I’m not a United fan but just thought I would say, Burnley will finish in the bottom 5 or 6 this year. Already struggling badly with having to cope with European football. I think you may well win your next 4 games as well, you have a nice run of fixtures coming up but still expect you to be scrapping spurs for 4th and 5th at the end of the season.


26.) 02 Sep 2018 22:55:10
Beast. I understand your point completely. We should've put 5 past Burnley. Lesser teams have put plenty past them this season. Its a win, but if we can't beat Burnley comfortably, then God help us. I can't believe the near hysteria over beating a second rate team that is going to get plenty of hammerings this season.
Ps. Any of the optimistics care to tell us how Spurs did against Watford today? No? Thought so.


27.) 02 Sep 2018 23:19:31
Mancman, the simple fact is, we're not one of Europe's top clubs just now, so we take what we can. He's a Belgian international, always gives his best, never seems to feel sorry for himself with all the abuse he gets, and most importantly he gives us another option. I've said before, if a few other players in the team showed the same desire and intensity as Fellaini, we might not be where we are just now. Other teams don't like playing against him. We certainly didn't when he played for Everton.


28.) 02 Sep 2018 23:43:45
United had plenty of midfielders that were in and around that united 'squad' with scholes and Keane. Some of which some would say should not have been around that squad. But they were and very much contributed to the cause.

It's very disrespectful to a footballer as good as fellaini to claim he should be nowhere near the team. You must have a short memory, I'm pretty sure I and others can name at least 5 players that were in and around that time.

You just have a personal dislike for fellaini.

City and Liverpool have many players I wouldn't have had in United's squad. Delph, shaqiri, wijnaldum, Henderson and others.

However they are there and all contribute. Again, very disrespectful to a very good player in fellaini.


29.) 03 Sep 2018 07:56:35
Fellaini does a job and does it well. Remember in the World Cup when Belgium played Brazil he broke every Brazil attack up and had Neymar in his pocket. 😆😆.


30.) 03 Sep 2018 08:48:46
Noucamp, we are not one of Europe's top clubs? Sorry, but I have to take issue with that. I agree that Fellaini shows heart and desire but he simply lacks the necessary quality. Yes, he gets a game for Belgium, but Martinez is hardly a managerial genius.

How depressing that as utd supporters your standards have fallen so far that you believe Fellaini should be playing for Utd.


31.) 03 Sep 2018 10:52:09
Are we playing like one of Europe's top clubs just now? That was my point. You cut your cloth accordingly.


32.) 03 Sep 2018 10:58:41
I don’t have any personal dislike of Fellaini, he does what he does and always gives 100%, he’s just not good enough to be anywhere near the first eleven for a club that’s one of the biggest in world football .


33.) 03 Sep 2018 13:25:22
Noucamp, the reason we are not playing like one of Europe's top clubs is that we have players like Fellaini in the team and a manager that approaches all our games like we are not one of Europe's top clubs. It's all just self fulfilling and the low expectations of supporters who think this is all OK is not helping.


34.) 03 Sep 2018 13:31:06
Fellaini gets stick even when he's played very well. Been happening since lvg days.

Jeeeezus

No he wohldnt get in to a team above keane and scholes, we did however have a few more options than just those 2 even in the glory days AND
God forbid it we even played some of them when keane or scholes couldnt. an he's not here for that.

Hes a UTD player, he comes on to make an impact and it works.


35.) 03 Sep 2018 13:42:44
I'm not going to wish him away. No-one is saying he's a brilliant footballer. He is a good squad player that offers a different option. While he puts on a red shirt and carries on doing what he's doing, he'll get my support. I find he's been a useful scapegoat for the club's ills since he was signed.


36.) 03 Sep 2018 13:57:32
OK then ezrs, tell me that Fellaini would get a game with any of City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Real, Barca, Juve, Bayern, PSG, Athletico or even Napoli, Spurs, Monaco or Dortmund.


37.) 03 Sep 2018 14:11:32
Noucamp, are you saying you like the hoof it up to the big man option Fellaini gives us? Or would you prefer the Fergie option of battering the opposition into submission with self belief and proper football? It's one or the other because the two are incompatible.

I don't personally dislike Fellaini but he represents everything that is currently wrong with Man Utd.


 

 

29 Jul 2018 11:46:06
Some people are under some misconception that sacking a manager every couple of years is bad, even if that manager has not performed to the level required. Ask yourselves these questions if you are against sacking a manager as it creates instability:

What is there left to disrupt?
Why does Jose deserve our unreserved loyalty?
What has Jose done for the fans?
Will you be surprised if we have a good season (I will and so will 99% of honest football watchers)?

Make the change, get rid of the rotten apple and hopefully make the correct appointment next time - if after 1 year the trajectory doesn't look promising, do it again. Keep going, it's a transient business now, no room for tolerating less than great.

Works for Madrid doesn't it! Works for City, arguments can be made that it works for many other elite clubs.

Just because in the 80's SAF started poorly in circumstances that are far removed to the Utd of today, some fans seem to think we could be sacking the next SAF, or we lose more of our crumbing identity by being impatient. They lose all sense of percentages and fail to realise that over the past 30 years loyalty/ honour are things that have diminished rapidly in the game and society - everything is short term so we need to adapt our thinking. My advice is stop giving respect until it's earned. Mourinho and Woodward do not deserve our respect, our club is a mess anybody can see it. Changes need to happen, plodding along as it is, is just driving the knife in deeper and creating more of a mess for the next guy.

Until the toxics come back in full force we will be making the mountain climb back to the summit ever steeper! We have a bad-un, cut the chord before next weekend and we have a chance of making this season a success rather than a fiasco.

The Beast

1.) 29 Jul 2018 12:00:46
Barcelona Madrid Munich juve all regular change there manager.


2.) 29 Jul 2018 12:03:45
He's a disgrace, just spends his time moaning instead of making the most of what he's got. Look at Poch, saying not everything hinges on transfer, he's content to settle with less than desired. The nail in the coffin was Klopp saying ""Do I get the sack if not? Depends on the football we play. A big part of the job is to play football that our people like. " Feels like a direct jibe at Mourinho and he's right.


3.) 29 Jul 2018 12:14:56
I'm not a fan of his beast but it has to run its course we shouldn't fire him on what we suspect will happen it has to actually happen. You can't fire him for being second, I dislike the style as much as you and suspect there's going to be better teams than us this season and if that's the case and we are dull and not in the race then I wouldn't wait too long to change but second earned him another shot . I hope we play better and he's a success and don't tolerate it if that's not the case, it's his third season it's now fair to judge him on results and style .


4.) 29 Jul 2018 12:21:31
At the minute I can't work out whether 1. Jose wants to still be a at our club, 2. Whether he is trying to get sacked by the club with his comments about players and lack of transfers, 3. Whether he is on the verge of quitting.
I have always been a supporter of Mourinho and thought this could be the year it clicks. Just his demeanor and constant comments (latest martial not returning to America! ) make me think its not going to.
I'm still hoping once back with first teamers it will all improve.

{Ed025's Note - it wont mate..


5.) 29 Jul 2018 12:22:04
We need a DOF. It will enable us to take some direction off of the pitch which Woody just does not give.

{Ed025's Note - its the director of misery thats the problem pog..


6.) 29 Jul 2018 12:24:53
It’s ironic that the toxic fans have resulted in us having a toxic manager.

Only in football would this behaviour be accepted, any other profession the manager would be sacked for the attitude shown by Jose.

I’ve never once called for a united manager to be sacked but enough is enough now. Poor signings, publicly calling out his superiors and working staff and failure to motivate his team. We fans can never truly understand what is going on behind the scenes but Jose is doing his best to let us all know that he has no interest in being here.


7.) 29 Jul 2018 12:53:39
Add Chelsea to the list. Look how many Managers they have had in he last 10 years and they have outperformed us.


8.) 29 Jul 2018 13:03:58
"It’s ironic that the toxic fans have resulted in us having a toxic manager. "

"I’ve never once called for a united manager to be sacked but enough is enough now. "

Let them words sink in.


9.) 29 Jul 2018 16:46:41
FFS. I despair.


10.) 29 Jul 2018 16:52:54
Toxics of the world unite!
I was an optimist. Mourinho cured me of that towards the end of last season when I returned to watching footie in the local park. I contemplated trying afresh this season only to find Jose busy making sure I don't have a relapse. I just don't see how he expects to motivate the players at United, attract others or endear himself to supporters. United will not make second and will struggle to make top 4 imo.


 

 

23 Jul 2018 16:40:06
I have been very critical of Woody over the years, but it can't be easy convincing players to come to Utd at the moment, or should I say the right type of players. If you take away the history (which mostly only we care about), then playing in a tedious system/ style, for a moody manager who seems pretty erratic from an outside perspective, watching most new signings stall or be dealt with terribly - hardly an easy sell no matter how much money you throw at the problem. Granted if it works it could be an amazing career move, but odds are more likely that a move to Utd hurts rather than helps a career at the moment.

Sad but true if you look at the evidence.

I used to think it would be easy to convince players to join Utd, but even SAF struggled toward the end (and during the great times even when you think of some of the great players that rejected us for on paper worse alternatives), so imagine what an undertaking Woody has now, even with his 'think of a number now treble it' cheque book!

Just a thought, which in all honesty I hadn't even considered too much until now.

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1.) 23 Jul 2018 17:18:02
I think you have a point in as much as Martial wanting out and in the last 2-3 hours more and more outlets reporting Pogba wants out for sure- as ED 02 said . the mirror even saying Raiola was in talks with Barcelona but they broke down .

This never reflects well on the club or manager - people will side with Martial/ Pogba/ Miki . then all of a sudden its "who wants to risk going to United" .


2.) 23 Jul 2018 17:48:38
Yeah, also Shaw, Schneiderlin, Schweiny, Miki, Sanchez, Lindelof, Darmian, ADM, Depay, Falcao - all off the top of my head. Doubt any of them send out a 'Man Utd is the place to be' message to outsiders looking in. If Herrera, Fellaini and Mata weren't such nice guys I'm sure they would be causing a stink as well.

There are exceptions, but as I say if you are offered the chance to sign for Utd or another top club the chances are I would choose the alternative given the recent history of our ruination of players happyness and performance levels.


3.) 23 Jul 2018 18:00:46
Hard to watch falcao at Monaco and not think what if .
I would of loved to see him do that in a United shirt .


4.) 23 Jul 2018 18:32:13
Scary to think we could all be watching Martial and Pogba soon in another shirt and thinking what if
Just like Chelsea fans probably watch De Bruyne, Salah and Lukaku and think what if.


5.) 23 Jul 2018 18:32:46
Rubbish Beast. This isn't on Jose its on Woodward. They won't dig into there pockets.

Jred, Falcao can play well in the French league as that's his level. The premier league is too physical and tight for him.


6.) 23 Jul 2018 19:43:22
FZZ - The club dipped into their pockets to pay over the odds for most of the players I listed!

We have spent a fortune in recent years on players, they have just not worked for the most part. A few fail, but to have so many fail there is a bigger issue at play.


7.) 23 Jul 2018 19:43:09
united will always be able to attract players.

even the later stages of SAF we got RVP from arsenal.

i think the biggest difference for me is that SAF was a proper coach, he could make the most average player look class so he never really needed to over spend.

when you look back on united teams of the past i sometimes think how did we win games with players like cleverly and oshea in midfiled.

that was just the way fergie was, one of a kind.

i just think our extremely over spending in the last 5 years has had a knock on effect we have over paid anbd over spent, add to the fact players who we have bought not all of them have not lived up to the plate.

i honestly don't think we need massive changes just a few to add to what we have.

yeah we have 2 weeks left of the window, not ideal to still be trying to buy players but regardless of the team come the 1st game i will stick by them all.

have a little faith.


8.) 24 Jul 2018 07:30:50
SAF wasn’t a coach, he was a Manager, a motivator, a great man Manager. Not sure he did much coaching for many years, he recruited others to do that. What he was able t do was wrong every possible ounce of talent and a ability from what he had.

{Ed001's Note - you are right AJH, Fergie was more akin to a modern DoF than a head coach. He didn't often even oversee training, he wasn't the only one either, most of those older time managers would not do the coaching. One of his former players said of 'Arry Redknapp that the only time he would be seen near the training ground was if TV cameras were around. There are many stories about how Bob Paisley would be in his portacabin at Melwood doing paperwork during training (or checking the racing results).

The only thing that is worrying about that is that those old time managers are the ones that set up the FA's coaching courses, in return for being awarded the badges needed to manage in the Premier League. So the FA coaching badges are set by managers who were not coaches. Makes you wonder about their legitimacy as a qualification.}


 

 

15 Jul 2018 16:56:24
I'm confused why the first goal is classed as an OG. The freekick is on target, so why isn't it Griezmanns goal? Obviously when a player shoots and it deflects off a defender (or keeper) the striker gets the goal, so why is this freekick different, anybody know?

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1.) 15 Jul 2018 17:18:25
That's a good shout that beast.


2.) 15 Jul 2018 17:33:08
It was on target but the keeper would have collected it. The touch off the defender took it past the keeper.


3.) 15 Jul 2018 17:44:45
I always thought if it was on target and took a deflection it was the strikers goal .
Off target takes a deflection own goal.


4.) 15 Jul 2018 19:29:54
My understanding is the same as that jred but it must be deemed an attempt at goal i believe. Grey ish area.


5.) 15 Jul 2018 22:23:21
I am under the impression tbat if the deflection drastically changes the path of the ball then it is an og. Otherwise it is credited to the striker.


6.) 15 Jul 2018 23:46:29
Pretty sure if on target and deflected, it’s the attackers goal - even if it wasn’t intentionally a shot. If it’s off target and would therefore be missing without the defender’s intervention, then it’s an own goal.


 

 

12 Jul 2018 09:56:19
Oh England!

I really thought it could be our year, but to be honest we didn't play well most of the tournament. For all the commentator hype about how 'mature, calm etc' it was just waffle - the teams we beat we would expect to beat comfortably normally. Last night we resorted to long ball, had no control in midfield and whenever Croatia attacked it looked like we were very disorganised.

Ashley Young was absolutely horrific most of the tournament for me, Tripper and Maguire struggle to read the game positionally and there was absolutely nothing offered going forward. There is more to the game than set-pieces, but that was the only thing we actually did well for me.

Only player that looked like making something happen was Sterling and he has been getting pelters all tournament.

We were lucky to beat Tunisa, beat a bunch of League 1 players in Panama, got beat in a nothing game against Belgium, snuck through via pens against Colombia, beat a poor Sweden full of Championship players and then failed to lift it when it mattered. I don't get all the praise to be honest.

Pre-World Cup we would all be happy with semi-finals, but had we seen the draw we would have expected nothing less - it's all very simple praising the result but we should analyse the hows/ whys of things. People clinging onto the we did better than Germany, Brazil, etc, doesn't cut it for me.

The fact we kept playing it back to Pickford for a hoof all game should have told Southgate there was an issue with midfield, but he did absolutely nothing - picked the same team all tournament, same tactics and didn't adapt when things went wrong, we also looked very tired despite playing less minutes than Croatia. Poor management and that is why he didn't cut it where it matters.

Frankly we talked a good game, but we looked like lost lambs. As for our boys specifically, well Rashford looked out of his depth, not enough minutes but played with no confidence and disappointed me, Young brought nothing to the table and we have to sign a LB if Shaw isn't trusted, Rebic destroyed him, Lingard was anonymous as per usual. Most players underwhlemed and the good parts were over egged, so hard to be too critical of our lads as the Spurs players (aside from set-pieces) may as well not have bothered.

Manager should have changed things. Kane dropping 20 yards too deep most games, poor showing from him - didn't seem to lead at all. Gutted, but we didn't deserve to progress, just lucky we didn't get the other half of the draw otherwise the knives would have been out. Instead we have a false sense of how good we are now, we are not in the top 4 nations of the world, just got lucky with who we played and when.

The Beast

1.) 12 Jul 2018 10:21:23
I'm a Liverpool fan beast and you speak a lot of sense. I do think England progressing this far has been blown into some huge media storm. we weren't that good.
But its been a poor world cup really, no stand out players, no stand out team. Just poor all round in terms of football.


2.) 12 Jul 2018 10:23:56
Last week

Beast: We're going to win, it’s coming home, I put money on us.

Today

Beast: We were lucky to beat Tunisa, beat a bunch of League 1 players in Panama, got beat in a nothing game against Belgium, snuck through via pens against Colombia, beat a poor Sweden full of Championship players and then failed to lift it when it mattered. I don't get all the praise to be honest.


If that’s what you thought about the team, why did you put actual money on them winning the entire thing?


3.) 12 Jul 2018 10:28:27
Top Post Beast.


4.) 12 Jul 2018 10:31:54
May be because Beast saw the draw and rightly expected England to win against all those championship level sides. First real competition and England folded. The game was very poor from everyone yesterday while Peter Drury (madonna of commentary) made it like it was the best game he ever saw and Englans were the best team in the world.


5.) 12 Jul 2018 10:53:00
Rashford did more when he came on than sterling did all game.


6.) 12 Jul 2018 11:23:33
No stand out players? Mbappe? Pavard? Lloris? All been excellent for France.
I'm really enjoying this World Cup, thought it was going to be same old same old but plenty of good games.
England fluffed their lines, which was a real shame as the tournament opened up perfectly for them and they could of beat Croatia. I think Loftus-Cheek should of come on for Dier who I fail to see how he gets a place: very basic player in my opinion. Sterling is just another Walcott, he panics and makes bad decisions when he's done the hard work.
And we have got to stop It's Coming Home. It's a bloody awful song. How about Slade's Give Us A Goal. Or England Irie by Black Grape. If we we have to have a song, at least let's have no Skinner and Baddiel.


7.) 12 Jul 2018 11:40:21
Beast - can't disagree with most of what you say.

I would say it's been a positive tournament for england

We got as far as we should of for me and meeting expectations is over achieving for England.

Hopefully the winter break will help us in the future. The drop off in the second half was scary and my one criticism of Southgate was that he didn't inject some more pace and freshness earlier. I would of Brought Loftus cheek and rashford on at around the 60th min mark.

But Southgate is learning and did well on the whole.


8.) 12 Jul 2018 12:27:55
I know i was taking the mickey last week beast, but your 100% spot on.

I could go a little deeper on Kane. He got 3 pens, 1 off his heel and 2 tap ins. 1 was a good/ really good header. Over rated tournament he didn't do much.

EVERYONE was calling out Sterling, yet for me he was the main main performer, he maybe didn't score easy chances, but he tried ran and hassled the defences.

Rashford - Over rated same as Martial. I cba even going down them roads.


9.) 12 Jul 2018 12:37:40
Im not an England fan simple as that so I will get that out of the way. I watched all the England games with my England supporting Hammers fan mate and we both agreed on one thing - just don't get the hype about the team. Yes they did better than expected but had they met Spain / Germany/ France/ Croatia/ Brazil in the first knockout game how far would they have got? Irrespective of some of those teams going out before England.90minutes against Germany or Brazil. no chance IMO.

Spain/ Germany/ Brazil all showed during 20 minute spells more flair and cutting edge than England all tournament, in fact I doubt England would have beaten the Japan team they lost out to Belgium in one of the games of the tournament.

They lifted the mood of the nation, a semi final was a wonderful acheivement no doubt. but are they a good team? no, just better than some of the dross in the last 30 years in major tournaments.


10.) 12 Jul 2018 12:41:11
To be honest just really proud of the boys and Southgate for restoring the pride back into the National team. I’ve loved watching the games at the pub and the sense of togetherness the team has brought this seemingly broken country. No point going into whether we had an easy run or not because you can only play what’s in front of you. But for the first time in my lifetime I can genuinely say I have a connection and warmth to the players and manager of an england team. In an age of arrogance and lack of class in some managers, Southgate is a breath of fresh air and a throwback to the old school managers such as sir bobby robson. It’s been a really enjoyable World Cup and the players deserve a big welcome when thy return. But it’s time to turn our focus back to united and get behind the team as this is such a crucial season for us. I will always remember the summer of 2018 as one full of sunshine and hope that football nearly came home. Till next time.


11.) 12 Jul 2018 13:09:29
I think it's a generation thing to be honest as well. No other footy on, the world is watching, it can't help but suck you in. That said I found the 1996 Euro's run more enjoyable, maybe because it was in England as well and I was obviously younger. But this squad said all the right things off the pitch, pundits/ commentators none stop praising averageness doesn't help as people are almost afraid to voice constructive criticism and the players have a false sense of worth. All this togetherness/ brothers talk, every other nation could say the same thing pretty much - we worked very hard on set-pieces and all our eggs were in that basket. Colombia showed that this was risky and we needed more to our game with Maguire being beaten by Yena or whatever he was called almost every time.

Ultimately, the so called 'calmness' is easy against teams like Sweden, Panama and Tunisia. Maybe a bit more passion was needed, a bit more umpf from the manager, rather than trying to play the psychoanalyst genius he was portrayed to be and clearly is not.

The fundamental point is that after 20 minutes it was obvious to non-football experts that Pickford was getting the ball far too much and having to hoof it. That would tell a pub manager that the set-up was wrong and we were losing the midfield. There was ample warning that the game was gradually turning in their favour after our great start, but he did nothing, absolutely nothing, reminded me of LVG. We rode our luck all tournament and rather than realising we had been lucky and needed to amend things, we just doubled down on the same thing. Weak management, I think we had the team to beat Croatia, not the tactics or fitness levels though - I think Southgate is a bit weak to be honest, nice guy and I get he is learning, but I don't buy that really, as I would have learned after Colombia that the tactics need a rethink as we created next to nothing all tournament.


12.) 12 Jul 2018 14:46:16
I agree that there did seem to be a genuine togetherness amongst the squad which was great to see like they were all mates which hasn't always been the case and although Kane was the star player if I put it like that he seemed very grounded and it seemed that the football came first which wasnt always the case when we had the era of Gazza, wazza, lamps, becks, stevie G, incey etc etc.


13.) 12 Jul 2018 17:10:21
Beast, i couldn't agree more on your summation. We played midiocre teams and struggled against tunisia amd Colombia. We didn't have one player in our midfield or attack who showed any sort of individual brilliance last night, apart from the free kick for the goal. The team played well within itself with no adventure or risk taking.
We then surrendered to the brilliance of Modric, perisic and Rakitic who ran rings around us. These three showed how far behind we are in terms of skill and application.
Players were going through the motions with no real zest or aggression in their game. Frankly, it was like watching United. The only difference is that at United we have world class players underperforming due to idiotic tactics by our manager. England were playing at the top of their game and that's not too high in my opinion.
Everyone needs to take a step back and swallow a reality check pill. We had an easy draw and we lost both games against decent opposition. that's no cause for major celebrations.


 

 

 

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02 Sep 2018 15:35:17
Shaw was playing perfectly fine the vast majority of games he played. One or two he was a little rusty which is to be expected. I can barely remember any game where he was one of our poorest performers.

The manager just didn't pick him. He is not dropping him now like he was last season, that is the only difference.

Jose's current weakness means he can't afford to be too blatant with his dislike for Shaw as a player as the fans and media are looking for any excuse. Shaw is benefiting from a fragile Jose.

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16 Aug 2018 17:01:55
Clearly I was late to the ball.

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16 Aug 2018 16:00:32
Maybe he means buy in advance for January's window. His price will go up then, so best to secure the replacement now before letting Pogba go.

Alternatively he didn't realise the rule change. lol.

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09 Aug 2018 10:54:23
GDS2 - I agree some people want signings for signings sake. But do you think we have done anything like enough to close the gap on City with our pre-season?

Any honest Utd fan will not be confident that we are now 19 points better, or City are 19 points worse (or a mix)? If anything the gap looks like widening and that is without factoring in the other competition. We were very fortunate to amass the points tally we did last season, now we have an even grumpier manager (deals not happened), grumpier squad if all the interview/ press are to be believed and no new brainwave with the way we play if friendly tactics are anything to go by. We had our luck last season if you ask me, this season we are in for a Moyes like season if we aren't careful results wise and more of the same performance wise.

Signings were essential this summer, more so than ever. Yet we have labored again, just like we do on the pitch.

Utd should be fighting for titles, not happy to just take part.

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06 Aug 2018 21:08:28
I so hope these Boateng reports are BS, final nail in the coffin if we sign him.

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14 Sep 2018 14:49:50
AJH - did you watch the games?

Ken - Of course at the minute we are short up top, but pretty much whenever Rashford leads the line he has been a non-entity. I'm not anti-Rash I just don't think he is good enough for Utd if we expect to be winning things. Golden opportunity to cash in on him whilst the hype is there imo, just from a commercial point of view. We could spend that money more wisely on a backup striker. Rashford can bring an X factor, but we only see it sporadically and it's not reliable enough. We have many players that turn up sporadically though so it isn't surprising. I'd love our players to perform 4/ 5 games, but most perform 1/ 5 to the level required.

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13 Sep 2018 08:43:53
If you took him as a 20 year old just breaking through I'd totally agree. But the guy has been around for a while now, he has played a lot of games and frankly being honest does he look better now than when he first broke onto the scene?

I think he has gone a bit backwards to be honest, all this 'learning from Zlatan and Romalu' lark seems to have held him up. The inconsistency of selection and position is an issue, but I'd have expected to see a lot more improvement. I fear that at the age of 23 he will be no better than he is now. I suppose a Theo Walcott is a better example (but he has less
brains and umpf about them than Theo, more natural talent but he doesn't know or can't be taught how to harness it) .

BTW - Welbeck I championed because he was worth more than £15m in my book, LVG wanted to play with wide players that would work hard and Danny works like a dog. His best asset is being able to rob defenders of the ball and therefore create an attack out of nothing with the opposition being out of position. He is a poor finisher and made of glass, but LVG needed him for his system - it was a complete contradiction selling him and really irritated me as I could tell the manager was clueless.

Also Welbeck was one of our own once, I imagine some of the people using Rashford coming from our youth system as a good excuse to keep him could be saying similar things about Rashford as they many others do about Welbeck in a few years.

I just don't think he is up to snuff and hope to be proven wrong, but Rash needs to actually improve rather than stand still for 3 years. We could probably get some team to pay £60m for Rashford now on hype and being English, in 3 years time if he stays with us I'd be amazed if we get more than £20m and that includes inflation - probably run his contract down, on account of limited games if I were to bet.

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12 Sep 2018 17:05:50
Nice to see him finish but they were instinctive goals. Anything he has to think about he is often terrible. Even his goal against Spain was a poor finish (but great movement and put on a plate by Shaw exceptionally) .

Every time I watch him I come away feeling like he doesn't have a winners mentality, looks really clueless with the ball and is just good at running. He often doesn't beat a man with his raw pace either if running with the ball at his feet. He is far too raw for me to make it at the very top, he simply isn't good enough and even though he is young he seems to have that obliviousness that the very top players don't have.

He seems like a lovely young man, nothing against him at all, aside from the fact I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for Utd if we want to be among the best again any time soon. It's players like Rashford that sum up our drop off for me. He wouldn't be getting a kick 6-7 years ago, if he signed for a mid-table team he would drift into the wilderness. I can't see him getting into any first team regularly for the elite teams in Europe.

He hasn't improved since he first broke into the team and that is a big worry, he has reached his ceiling - cash in whilst the hype still exists or we will be stuck with another Januzaj, remember him?!

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06 Sep 2018 15:18:13
Never has a player attracted so much undeserved publicity. I literally can't believe why so many people seem to give a damn what this clown does or says. I can count on one hand how many games he has stood out in since he signed. The sooner we are rid of him the better.

I'd go as far as to say Cleverley had more stand out performances than Pogba for Utd, this comment shouldn't even be debateable btw.

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05 Sep 2018 15:12:58
Yes that is a good post Mumbles.

I suppose all I can say is that my general mood reflects the performance levels of the club compared to my expectations. There have been many instances over recent years where I have supported things that the masses have criticised (Luke Shaw in particular) - but generally I agree I am far more critical as I aim for perfection (or at least working towards it) .

We have had several years of severe underpeformance (from my perspective) .

One more thing - Jose has had an exceptional career, but I don't think he fits the club and I don't like how he sets the team up. Nowadays it is too easy to play against. Managers lose their edge, the evidence suggests he lost his some time ago. So whilst I concur that we should all get behind the manager and team during difficult times especially, it would be helpful if the manager throws us a bone or two - it seems to be a one way street!

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