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21 Feb 2018 23:45:43
I'm reading a lot of people justifying that pathetic performance. SAF played like this in Europe, Sevilla are tough at home, no easy games at this stage of the competition.

The thing is we play like this whenever we come up against a half decent team. Incidentally Moyes took us away in Europe and we played some great stuff, remember the guy that had no European experience?

Sevilla are not up to much, but we were lucky to escape with a draw tonight however you want to dress it up. They will be very dangerous at OT, far more dangerous than we were tonight.

Maybe it was like this sometimes under SAF, but only "SOMETIMES" with Jose it's every time. If we go out to Sevilla, it's because we didn't play to win tonight.

It would be nice to not read BS excuses to justify this rubbish we are subjected to almost every week. Maybe my drum is getting worn out, but the excuse bank is surely out of coin by now. It's just not good enough, we put up with a rubbish Europa League campaign to qualify for this by the skin of our teeth and then put in these types of performances! WTFP?

The Beast

1.) 21 Feb 2018 23:57:48
How many games did Moyes do us proud in Europe? Was it just the Leverkusen game or . No one is saying Jose is producing exceptional football bit my god the hyperbole in here is ridiculous.


2.) 21 Feb 2018 23:59:13
Goos post Beast and i reckon we houdlve gone for the kill today as i hope but Jose played it safe which is quite sad considering how poor Sevilla were today.

The players look scared to try something exciting ncase it doesn't work and jose gets angry.

They are all under strict rules by the looks of it.


3.) 22 Feb 2018 00:20:46
Made attacking substitutions the team just didn't click going forward.


4.) 22 Feb 2018 01:32:09
Weren't they like for like subs (Rashford/ Martial for Sanchez/ Mata)? It's not clicking because we attack with 3 men maximum, often just 2 - we have forgotten how to attack as a team as it seems our main focus is on keeping teams out, not making them keep us out.

It's anti-Utd and it isn't hyperbole if it happens virtually every time we play a team that isn't prepared to curl up and die.


5.) 22 Feb 2018 10:10:12
Couldn’t agree more beast. Went away yet again not to get beaten rather than trying to take the game to them. Nobody here can tell me man for man Sevilla are a better side than us, so why not attack them, why be happy with a bore draw? Anyone who things a nil nil is a good away score line is mistaken. A score draw not too bad, but a nil nil means we now have to win the return leg. Score draw and we’re out. Pathetic performance once again last night, nothing is inproving.


6.) 22 Feb 2018 11:44:57
Rubbish europa league campaign? You mean the one we won? Oh no we won a trophy but we didn't win it in this specific way that makes me happy. Are you aware of how spoilt you sound. You know this is why fans of other clubs hate us - a huge amount of us have got too used to success. We have to be practical we are still in a rebuilding phase. Yes a lot of money has been spent but the team needed and needs a lot of work. Short termism and harking back to the good old days do not benefit the club.


7.) 22 Feb 2018 12:56:33
Beast, you called it absolutely right. If De Gea hadn't made unbelievable saves, we will be looking at a 2 or 3 nil scoreline. I hate the passionless, clueless displays. I hate the lack of cohesion in the team. This result is not a good result, one goal for Seville and we have to score two. Even if we score first, we will still be extremely nervous.
I would say it is advantage Seville.
But the most ridiculous post i'd the one from 12daysofhemida. "A huge amount of us have got used to success", "We have to be practical we are still in a rebuilding phase", "Short termism and harking back to the good old days do not benefit the club". These are exactly the type of comments that drive me potty. How could you get too used to success? So shall we have a few years of rubbish performances as we don't want to be to used to success? Utter tripe. Then he mentions we are still rebuilding, we have been rebuilding for five years. A good business doesn't allow its performance to deteriorate, then start rebuilding. All the top clubs are in a constant state of rebuilding. Harking back to the old times? History is what defines you, and history is what you learn from and improve. So when you talk about harking back to the old times, you're basically telling us that we might as well throw away our history.
If you allow standards to drop and mediocrity to set in, then we might as well pack our bags and go home. That's not the philosophy of the club I've supported for over 50 years. we were built on attacking entertaining football with all the right values. Unfortunately, we are losing these values.


8.) 22 Feb 2018 15:03:38
Attack x3 you'd make a fine spin doctor.

"So shall we have a few years of rubbish performances as we don't want to be to used to success? "

The few years of rubbish performances HAPPENED under Moyes and LVG. Alongside that were rubbish results. No one was happy, myself included. Now Jose has improved RESULTS a hell of a lot. The performances (last night included) are still often poor. You cannot expect results and performances to be improved when the squad is substandard for a title tilt. Jose is improving us.

"we have been rebuilding for five years. "

Yes, that's just how bad we got.

"A good business doesn't allow its performance to deteriorate, then start rebuilding. "

I agree, but that is exactly what the club allowed to happen. Expecting five years of stagnation to be corrected in two years is unrealistic.

"History is what defines you, and history is what you learn from and improve. "

Once again we agree. history has shown us that sticking by a manager when we fans are calling for his head can be beneficial. Can you imagine what would have happened if the fans had been listened to with Fergie? Also whilst we're talking about history, here's one from Fergie, "Attack wins you games, defence wins you leagues. " I think that is what Mourinho is trying to do.

"So when you talk about harking back to the old times, you're basically telling us that we might as well throw away our history. "

Er. no. Just no. I can't even think of a witty, relevant or scathing retort to that. Sorry.

"If you allow standards to drop and mediocrity to set in, then we might as well pack our bags and go home. That's not the philosophy of the club I've supported for over 50 years. we were built on attacking entertaining football with all the right values. Unfortunately, we are losing these values. "

Let me see if I can do your putting words in other people's mouth shtick. so if we don't play well and win you we should all stop supporting Utd? Utter tripe, piddle and tomfoolery.

We weren't built on attacking entertaining football it's a philosophy we have played more often than not since the days of Busby. A style of play that I love and miss, but since Ferguson left that philosophy has been left behind, through poor appointments, mismanagement and NOW necessity. Our defence isn't up to task and so we need to play more defensively.

Whilst having a nosy around the internet, I found this description of Newton Heath in their first season. "Tough, diligent men who formed a powerful side. " Sounds a lot like a Mourinho side. Maybe we were built on stoic defending first, entertaining football second (like all good teams) .


9.) 22 Feb 2018 18:22:17
Great post 12 days.
Beast the performances are poor but its the players not the manager.
How many top class players in our squad?
Not even top class on the european stage top class in epl. Jose performing minor miricle to keep them competitive imo.


10.) 22 Feb 2018 20:34:16
Great posts 12 days. As good as I've ever seen on here to be honest. Great way of debating.


11.) 22 Feb 2018 22:10:35
Oh come on now, it's ridiculous. People are still plugging their same view week in week out.

The fact is, there are some very good and some not so good players in the squad. It's the same for the rest of the top 6 or so teams. It's the manager's job to get the best out of them.

If your idea of getting the best of them is by holding the better players back to set up defensively and grind out results, then we'll agree that Mourinho is doing well. If your idea of an attacking, exciting and progressive style of football is the way forward, then he's not the right man.


 

 

13 Jan 2017 19:14:26
Hopefully this Costa incident is the trigger for the much needed Chelsea collapse. Win on Sunday and everyone will be scared that we are coming for them.

The Beast

{Ed025's Note - my fear beast is that they may make a move for lukaku now, he would jump at the chance imo mate..


1.) 13 Jan 2017 20:52:24
We, I really don't rate Lukaku, I know he can sometimes bully CBs and score dramatic goals but generally he looks like a fat lump blundering around. Just my view of course.

{Ed025's Note - thats very nasty and short sighted of you AJH...but very true.. :)


2.) 13 Jan 2017 22:07:38
He's like that heavily made up blonde on a night out who looks very tasty until you get her into the light, beer googles at their most seductive.


3.) 13 Jan 2017 22:10:18
😂😂😂


4.) 14 Jan 2017 03:46:48
If costa is sold or even just has a falling out with conte, we really need to beat liverpool, as i was hoping and i think most utd fans will agree, if we aren't able to win the league it is better if chelsea do it rather than one of city or liverpool.


5.) 14 Jan 2017 11:16:54
Lukaku is perfect for Chelsea's system but he's no Diego Costa. I can't see them letting him go this January though although a summer deal makes sense.


6.) 14 Jan 2017 12:13:23
I know Costa is expensive but £80 million for a coffee is just ridiculous.


7.) 14 Jan 2017 14:26:04
I'm not sure about timing but I read that the Chinese are going to be clamping down big time on the money being spent by their clubs, as a means of capital controls (just doing it with Bitcoin now) . So maybe there is a major timing factor involved, possibly a one time opportunity for the start of their new season.

Possibly why the amounts in question seem so desperate and why Costa is trying to force a move now. Just speculating of course.


8.) 14 Jan 2017 19:56:59
Costa isn't trying to force his way out.


9.) 15 Jan 2017 01:30:24
i hope costa stays where he is (and stops scoring) because if he leaves they might bid for moussa dembele of celtic.


10.) 15 Jan 2017 13:36:29
hmm Jackson, who knows what to believe. Quite a coincidence we were only talking of something like this the other day. That said you still smashed Leicester and have a £30m striker rotting on the bench, so still need a few more spanners in the works to give us a sniff.


11.) 16 Jan 2017 19:38:40
Hope he stays. He's saved my dream team this season.


 

 

01 Jul 2016 17:29:56
I just read that Neymar signs a 5 year deal, but his buyout clause rises the further he gets into his contract, this seems odd to me is it odd?

It's almost as if they are telling clubs to come and get him now if they are interested.

Does anybody know what his buyout was prior to the new contract? It's now £167m for the first year, rising to 186m 2nd year and then £209 for the third), on the Beeb.

The Beast

1.) 01 Jul 2016 18:07:30
Not sure but this deal is pretty sensible from barca, with teams like palace throwing £30m at Marseille for that Belgian lad who knows how much players will be going for in 5 years, it's gone even more ridiculous this year.


2.) 01 Jul 2016 18:08:46
Beast I don't know enough about buy out clauses but it makes great sense for the owners as under normal circumstances the players value decreases as his contact runs down. It also means that they will be in no rush to Renew and give him another rise in order to uphold his value.


3.) 01 Jul 2016 19:34:13
Great points guys, hadn't even considered that in my haste.


 

 

10 Jul 2015 16:38:30
Hi Ed's - I am a regular contributor to the site as you may know. Several people ask about a fantasy football league each year and I have been part of one for the past 4/5 years, I can vouch for the credibility of it. I didn't want to post on the website without your permission first, this is what I want to post, do you mind?

"I am part of a dream team league, ran by a chap called Andy. I have done this for the past 4+years and it works a treat. You pay £50 upfront and each month there is a prize for manager of the month, the remaining money goes into a pot for the top 3 managers of the year - all registration fees are redistributed to winning managers. I have personally won a few managers of the month and have been paid appropriately. This is just a group of guys coming together and nothing formal/company orchestrated, so if you want to join the league the code is 90970-25762 (it is the Fantasy Premier League). Andy will provide you with his acct details if you join and over recent seasons we have had over 50 people in the league – it was primarily a group of friends but I have asked him if he would mind me opening it up to my “banter buddies” and he has no problem so long as it causes him no issues"

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Sure, no problem.}


1.) 10 Jul 2015 17:24:08
Super Beast, Might join you on that .


2.) 10 Jul 2015 19:35:39
Now I'm confused yesterday someone was going to setup a FF competition for the lads all here at no cost, I think that £50 is a tad steep especially when in euros it's 70 or more for your one Beast.

Now I'm not a tight git but I try play the FF gig and more times than not forget to change players etc, as I get caught up in stuff at home or within family homes doing repairs etc so miss a lot of the tactical changes lol!!

If we were to set up a MUFC page FF competition and at a cost of €20/25 I would enter it no problem


3.) 10 Jul 2015 20:02:09
Pyramid Scheme!


4.) 10 Jul 2015 23:10:25
We had one for free last season, not sure who set it up but we had over 70 people in it from this website.

The one I am talking about has cash aspects attached so obviously won't be for everyone. I throw in £50 with this guys league because if you win a manager of the month its normally £80-£100, then £1k or so to overall winner.

Horses for courses, I just put it out there as some people were asking and I have always been paid on time.


 

 

21 May 2014 19:30:13
Keeping with the trend of being a bit left field today.

Does anybody know what the situation is with Yarmolenko & Konoplyanka. They obviously both play in Ukraine (Europes South Sudan at the minute), so with all the unrest I don't know what this will mean for their domestic game, would Kiev & Dnipro be up for selling and if so would they finto LVG's system?

The Beast

{Ed002's Note - Konoplyanka is available and there is a lot of interest including from MU.}


 

 

 

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17 Feb 2018 19:40:39
Did everyone enjoy the VAR today and all the post-VAR analysis? There may have been a football match on as well, but I'm sure we all tuned in for VAR.

I also loved the loaded question to Juan Mata - "what are your thoughts on VAR, it needs working on obviously? "

Just when I thought commentary and analysis couldn't get worse, along comes this little gift!

The Beast

1.) 18 Feb 2018 00:38:34
Not nice when I had lukuka first scorer and 3-0 @ 22/ 1 👎.


2.) 18 Feb 2018 15:46:31
Stretford,

So did I mate, absolute killer.


 

 

14 Feb 2018 21:15:18
65mins into the Madrid/ PSG game and I'm really struggling with it. So sick of the diving, lying, cheating. Players making meals of nothing tackles, ref blowing for literally anything. Then you have the sycophant commentators creaming themselves over any bit of skill.

I haven't watched much foreign football for a few years (aside from the European Cups) but my God I hope this gets nipped in the bud before it totally violates our domestic game. More and more foreign mangers, foreign players and foreign fans tolerating (even willing) this fraud is only going to end one way.

What happened to football, this is no longer a game of integrity or for real men competing?!

The Beast

1.) 14 Feb 2018 21:36:01
Agree with that entirely beast. Sickening. To make it worse you see the same sort of crap in every park in the country on a Saturday morning In the kids leagues.


2.) 14 Feb 2018 21:48:41
Agreed, who was commentating? I switched city on last night and the moron Robbie savage was doing it. BT sport have the worst pundits and commentators I’ve ever listened too. 70% of then talk abosolute rubbish.

{Ed0333's Note - agreed but I’d go with a higher percentage on talking rubbish


3.) 14 Feb 2018 21:50:50
Couldn’t agree more. So much feigning and diving it was a joke. Neymar is one of the worst culprits I despise the fella. His transfer fee has gone to his head and he thinks he is above the law. I don’t care how talented he is I would hate to see him wearing a united shirt. The game has lost its integrity and all you have to do is see smalling’s dive Against Newcastle to see how ridiculous it has become.

{Ed0333's Note - I’m sure you wouldn’t hate it if Neymar signed for you


4.) 14 Feb 2018 22:49:29
I don't think you have to worry yourself too much about that, Park :)


5.) 14 Feb 2018 22:54:56
Haha you may be right nou 😂.


6.) 15 Feb 2018 00:26:01
I have to say that few years back, I used to watch all matches with enthusiasm. Now, I watch very few matches for exactly that reason. Football has lost respect for itself and more importantly, it has lost respect for the fans.
I'm becoming very disillusioned with the whole thing.


7.) 15 Feb 2018 06:04:58
There are few players I dislike more than Ramos, and I thought Ronaldo looked like a player clinging to his ability last night. It wasn’t a great game, lots of cynical fouls. The ref let a lot go in the first 15 minutes and I think an early booking might have set a better tone.

I though Neymar ooked great and often a lone threat, Mbappe looked a little lost to me.


8.) 15 Feb 2018 07:21:44
I agree with what everyone has written above. I expected a good match last night, and while there were phases of great football, it was a joke in terms of sportsmanship and refereeing. The Modric dive was a joke, the ref was probably 5 yards away and couldn't spot the dive and even Modric, he even got up, went straight to Rabiot and tried to convince the fellow that he was fouled. I think this is where the player needs to step up and not do such things. It's just embarrassing.

I for one think even the penalty was a dubious decision. Yes, it was a foul, but it was a very soft foul and players aren't matchsticks, that they will fall on even the slightest of impacts. Would this be given as a foul if it was outside the box? Maybe, but would all refs give this a penalty, maybe not. And that's the problem, either make it a mandate, that even the slightest of impacts inside the box should be a penalty, or make the refereeing standard a bit better.

Sergio Ramos is one player who I just despise, he's the worst of the lot. When Mbappe got fouled by Kroos, I think he went and threw the ball at him or in the direction where he was lying, I think that just shows what kind of a player he really is.

Neymar, for all his skill and talent, is on an ego-trip like no other. He just thinks he's better than the other 10 players in his team. And I don't know if you noticed or not, but the only player he really wanted to pass was to Alves. I think that derogatory to other players that are playing with him and it's not like they are talented, I think most of the players are.


9.) 15 Feb 2018 08:32:30
I agree Beast, it's gone to pot.

I might switch to Rugby. That's a game where players do their best to pretend NOT to be injured.

Football is a gentleman's game played by hooligans.
Rugby is a hooligan's game played by gentlemen.


10.) 15 Feb 2018 08:40:33
Come on boys,

I watched Juventus v Spurs and Real v PSG and thought they were both cracking games.

If you can't enjoy those games then football must have become very dull for you all.

The alleged diving and play acting was no worse than we see week in week out in the Premier League these days. Have you forgotten back in the 90's when Utd played Italian opposition; if you even waved a feather in their direction they'd fall to the floor and throw in at least 3 summersaults for theatrical effect. This stuff has been going on years.

Credit to both away teams that actually went out to play and attempted to win the game for a change.

You're all longing for a game that no longer exists and probably hasn't since the 70's or 80's. Certainly in European football anyway. I clearly still remember Klinsmann's antics in the 1990 World Cup and that was almost 30 years ago now!


11.) 15 Feb 2018 09:26:03
Pogba spent 60 minutes on Sunday pretending he wasn't injured and got absolutely slated for it.


12.) 15 Feb 2018 11:29:04
Juve spurs was a belter.


13.) 15 Feb 2018 11:43:54
Good point GDS. It's rare though.


14.) 15 Feb 2018 12:50:12
Fully agree it is very rare, just heard people saying on Sunday that Pogba was useless and selfish for trying to play when he wasn't 100%, and now reports coming out that he isn't happy etc whereas to me he tried to play through an injury which shows more commitment really.


15.) 15 Feb 2018 13:22:54
Was he Injured?
The player has said he wasn't injured so has the manager .
Never went for treatment just sat on the bench .
In training the next day.

He doesn't look very happy tho and hadn't from the moment we signed Sanchez and his role changed.

Jose said the other day
 “I think this country produced a lot of amazing box-to-box players, I had the pleasure to coach some of them, but I think nowadays with some pundits, some agents, some family members, I think the concept of the box-to-box is changing a little bit"

Family members? Not sure team pogba are happy to be honest.


16.) 16 Feb 2018 09:08:16
If you wanna watch football played with passion and commitment like the good old days. Go and watch your local lower non league clubs.

If you wanna watch the business type, lack of passion and footballers with unbelievable ability that use gamesmanship to the dull extent. Then watch your top leagues.


 

 

11 Feb 2018 17:06:29
This '2nd in the league so we are second best' is a trap. Watching us play we look 5-6th best on a consistent basis imo. There is no way any honest Utd fan can say we have been the second best team in the league this season, we have got the second best set of results, but they paint a different picture to our actual play.

We look no better now than we did at this time last season (despite immense investment) and most fans acknowledging we muddled through last season and this year would be the one where we see Jose's Utd.

There are more issues than the manager of course, but the buck stops with him and we haven't been good enough. We look bewildered and lack any sort of plan if Plan A fails. Fortunately our rivals have been hit and miss aside from City, but I can see what Spurs and Liverpool are trying to do, not too sure I see the plan for us and how we progress with this mindset - spend £200m every summer and hope to get CL football, we are better than that surely!

We had a lot of luck at the start of the season, that luck is turning now as we don't deserve to lose some of these games. But it cuts both ways and fundamentally we have been saying "it's the result that matters" almost after every victory this season, that is dangerous talk and my fear that victories being based on taking one chance or not is hardly conducive to long term success.

There is certainly something not right about the club - I remain speechless about why a poor overall run and a few easy 3 points justifies a contract extension, it sends completely the wrong message, it's stability of course, but mediocre stability considering the resources and talent available. Genuinely worried about the Sevilla game and that should be relatively straightforward.

No progress for me, just more of the same virtually every week. 5/ 6 players still needed to compete, how is that even possible? Maybe one manager change would mean we compete with what we have, we can't surely continue this program of attempting to buy our way out of mediocrity, there has to be a better plan that that?

A team is meant to be better than the sum of it's parts, for the past 5-6 years we have seen the manager handicap the team with their ideas on football. We are certainly not playing like a team with several hundred millions £ worth of talent being added every 12 months.

The Beast

1.) 11 Feb 2018 17:18:04
Fair post Beast, I’ve just made a similar point ao It something feeling not quite right. It can be fine lines though, I was hoping Sanchez might have made the difference but the balance is still not right. The main point you made that i agree with is that I can’t really see a plan.


2.) 11 Feb 2018 17:18:08
League doesn't lie.


3.) 11 Feb 2018 17:32:43
It misleads Jred. We last won the league because of SAF most would say, so one man made a major difference. We were not good at all most games that season.

We are not good most games this season, we won't win the league and we have invested more than the £30m RVP cost!

There is a problem, I think I know where it lies - but there seems to be a lack of balls at the club (fans living in denial doesn't help) . Even if we play well next game, the following one will more likely be bad.

Good post AJH.


4.) 11 Feb 2018 17:35:55
Beast
Opinions do but the fact is the league doesn't lie . even if not what you think.


5.) 11 Feb 2018 17:54:55
The league does lie. It is far from a perfect indicator, for example playing Chelsea at the moment is easier than playing Chelsea a few months ago one would argue? If a manager is about to be sacked (happened just before our big wins for the most part this season), it shows that the team we are playing are in turmoil. Maybe a few star players of opponents are injured when we play them and fit when our rivals play them, or the weather is a leveler on a particular day. Maybe fixture congestion has had effects, distance traveled/ rest - it is never exactly the same for every team - so it is not a truly fair rule for saying we are the 2nd best team. We were at one point maybe, but not now, other are stronger and catching us quickly.

The league obviously says which team got collectively the best results, but it doesn't explain the circumstances. It is a good indicator but it's being used as a crutch this season, in any case I think that crutch is about to be kicked away as we are about to be swamped and deserve to be. 4-5 games we have played well this season in the league or as well as I expect us to.


6.) 11 Feb 2018 18:08:38
Best team wins the league .


7.) 11 Feb 2018 18:30:33
We are second in the league. Have improved since last year. A year in which we won a European and Domestic trophy.
Are we anywhere near City? No.
Do they play great attacking football that we would like to see at OT? Yes.
Is Jose capable of producing that attacking expansive style? Yes if you take his Real Madrid and Chelsea form into account.

In terms of a settled team we are still a number of quality recruits shy.
There is still deadwood to clear.

I wanted Jose for the job when Fergie left and I still want him now. We have no God given right to win stuff just because we are Man United!


8.) 11 Feb 2018 18:44:03
Normally - But if two teams are tied at the top, with one game to go. One team is playing bottom of the league and draws because they have 5 players call in sick with a virus before kick off. The other team is playing 3rd in the league and smashes them because that team had two men sent off for fighting each other in the first minute.

Has the best team won the league, or has luck had something to do with it?

The best team doesn't win every game, so that leads to the best team doesn't always win the league. Furthermore it certainly means that the order the league ends up in is not the actual true order of how good each team is. It's the best system we have, but it's not perfect. We are benefiting from it's imperfection if you think being 2nd is fine despite how we have played. I think it is hurting us because we are tricked into thinking this is maintainable or good enough to renew a contract for an under performing manager.


9.) 11 Feb 2018 18:57:56
The league doesn't lie .
What teams are better than us so far this season?
All had up and downs . only city have been better which is why they have more points.


10.) 11 Feb 2018 19:26:03
I know what you are saying, but you are wrong.

I have just explained at length how the league can lie (anybody want to argue those points, doubt it) - there are many variables involved in how a team accumulates points, sometimes they deserve them, sometimes they don't, sometimes it's the opponent being different at different stages - therefore the league is not entirely accurate at depicting the teams in the order of how good they are. It's a measurement, but not accurate all of the time.

There will probably be 4 points separating 2nd-5th tomorrow. We have lost several times this season despite being better than the team we lost to - that alone should tell you how a points tally is not accurate for this purpose.


11.) 11 Feb 2018 20:45:59
The league doesn't lie it a stupid argument if anyone says otherwise. Form alters things but a league is not judged on form. It is judged in consistency across a season and nothing else. The side that consistently gets the most points from games will win the league and therefore are the best team in the league. They may not have the best attack defence goalkeeper or midfield but they will be the best team.


12.) 11 Feb 2018 21:11:38
Where has that brick wall gone?!


13.) 12 Feb 2018 05:37:01
I think the point here is that the league doesn't lie. at the end of the season. It's what happens between now and then we should be concerned about.


 

 

31 Jan 2018 22:52:01
From 11 seconds to 7 minutes we looked very good, full of energy and it looked like being a fantastic game of football.

Then we just switched to our typical slow, steady-eddy football. Not sure if it was the players or the manager that did this 180 degree turn in thinking, but it killed the game from our perspective. We offered virtually nothing going forward, manic at the back and plodders in midfield.

Our last 7 league games we have won 3, drew 3 and lost this one. 12 points from 21 available and we have played weakening teams aside from Spurs!

Hardly form that would suggest renewing a managers contract to me. We had a good start to the season (results wise, our play was slow and a grind to watch imo), but we haven't kicked on. Still no relationships on the pitch, a lack of passion and most worryingly a lack of ideas. We didn't lay a finger on Spurs!

If we maintain this form and introduce the CL it makes CL football next year look far from certain. I think we took away a valuable incentive for Jose to perform by extending the deal now. Stupid decision and should have been done in the Summer if it needed to be done.

Also more specifically for this game, we looked like we hadn't got a plan, was Jose spending more time in his agents office than the training ground this week?

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1.) 31 Jan 2018 23:15:14
Beast,

I’d imagine the team that lost 3-0 at home to Bournemouth tonight rather than away at a tough side should be worrying a bit more about the Top 4. We only have city and Bournemouth left to play from the top 10 away from home, I think we will be comfortably Top 4 to be honest, no need to panic but that’s what happens on here when we lose so no point asking for that.


2.) 31 Jan 2018 23:19:21
You need the Chelsea page GDS2. lol.


 

 

20 Jan 2018 01:20:07
Glad to see Carrick is offered a coaching role. It's good to see that evolution and hopefully he can pass on his experience to younger specimens.

However if I read one more post with the word "under-rated" next to it when it comes to him on all the MSM forums I think i'll explode. The most talked about under rated player of all time, it drives me crazy. You can't read anything about Carrick without seeing the term "under rated" next to it.

He has been a good player, great in certain situations, a passenger in a lot. Somebody most top teams need, but not a superstar, 'a fair days pay for a fair days work' is how I'd sum him up - one of the few. That doesn't mean he is under rated, it simply means he hasn't been over-rated like 99% of other players.

The Beast

1.) 20 Jan 2018 02:59:55
He was a bit under-rated though. Lol.


2.) 20 Jan 2018 03:49:50
Lol shappy.


3.) 20 Jan 2018 04:31:09
Boom!


4.) 20 Jan 2018 05:48:27
Thats a bit harsh Beast. I think he is un fussy, he was the oil that kept the engine moving. There was a time when SAF acknowledged he was the first name on the team sheet and fellow pros were queuing up to sing his praises. Now beat me on the bottom with a Woman’s Weekly as I may be wrong, but I’m probably not, and you may not agree, but don’t really care, in anyone’s book that makes him underrated.


5.) 20 Jan 2018 06:16:35
AJH - I think everyone with a bit of knowledge appreciates the job Carrick did, and for the past 10 years whenever his name comes up it always has "under rated" next to it. Who is under rating him?

It's like me saying "all these people saying we shouldn't sign Sanchez because he isn't good enough are wrong". Well I haven't read anyone say Sanchez is no good, I'd just be saying something for effect. Carrick is the most talked about player in the "under rated" bracket in the history of football. That in itself means he isn't under rated surely?


6.) 20 Jan 2018 07:26:07
Has a player ever just been rated.


7.) 20 Jan 2018 07:55:45
Never under rated by United/ spurs fans.

Always been under rated by England.


8.) 20 Jan 2018 09:02:39
I wouldn't say underrated
But his pivotal role has been undermined.


9.) 20 Jan 2018 09:51:12
Very underrated player.


10.) 20 Jan 2018 10:00:32
Going about his job and keeping out of the headlines, he's a 7 or 8 out of 10 most weeks, just like Dennis Irwin and no one called Dennis under rated. He's not under rated by the fan's players and management. He's a great pro just likes Scholey, get the job done and gets home to the family.
If i'm honest he was over looked by England, some people may call that under rated, but his England days came when England had many great midfielders to pick from, personally i would of give him more caps.
Great player and pro, good to see he may be staying to coach.


11.) 20 Jan 2018 10:30:14
I think Irwin was underrated.


12.) 20 Jan 2018 11:37:03
I always say both irwin and carrick underrated

Perhaps its more of them being an after thought when discussing great players but they actually both were.


13.) 20 Jan 2018 11:50:30
England under rated him. 34 caps when you see some of the players that got more caps its shocking.


14.) 20 Jan 2018 11:45:06
Loved Irwin. Sir Bobbys autobiography he writes that he was driving home from a game and something was niggling him and he couldn't work out was it was. then he sussed it. he had seen Irwin have a bad game - says it all really.


15.) 20 Jan 2018 13:06:55
If he was Italian he’d have been a legend.


16.) 20 Jan 2018 13:46:41
Mort, this is the same England team that decided Scholes was only worthy of 66 caps. Also 53 for Hoddle. Two of the best ever English midfielders. Says it all.


17.) 20 Jan 2018 19:27:40
Hoddle was a bit before,


 

 

 

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22 Feb 2018 01:32:09
Weren't they like for like subs (Rashford/ Martial for Sanchez/ Mata)? It's not clicking because we attack with 3 men maximum, often just 2 - we have forgotten how to attack as a team as it seems our main focus is on keeping teams out, not making them keep us out.

It's anti-Utd and it isn't hyperbole if it happens virtually every time we play a team that isn't prepared to curl up and die.

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05 Feb 2018 18:14:05
Well said Ken.

I don't hate Rashford, I just don't think he is up to snuff for a club like Utd that intends to win things regularly. I get the youth defence league will back him to the hilt for good reasons, but I can't help think that the kick on should be further from when he started with the first team. He has been treading water for me. We have all seen the kid at 16 that was amazing in the school yard but 5 years later they are playing in the pub leagues.

Comparing him to greats like Henry is premature to say the least and maybe so is my comparing him to Joe Cole. But I'd wager with anybody that in 10 years time the career of Rashford would be a lot closer to a Joe Cole than it would an Henry - that isn't a bad thing, but it isn't good enough for Man Utd.

How many games has Zlatan had this season? So, that hardly means much with rotation with Lukaku for his career and there are a great deal many strikers and wingers out there, especially if you have £100m+ to spend on attackers each summer. I don't even rate Lukaku as good enough for a team intending to win the league and CL to be honest, but I have very high standards.

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Singh - I think the manager doesn't trust Rashford, and I suspect he will be sold (I don't think he trusts Martial either unfortunately) . I appreciate he has featured a lot, but that is more to do with the limited options Jose has had opposed to Rashford warranting it on account of his overall performance levels imo.

I think Rashford is doing his best, but that little magic you need to play at the very top (consistently, before anybody starts) isn't in his locker. He'll have a good career I'm sure, but we will find him slipping down the pecking order and he'll be plying his trade at a mid-table club before too long. Unfortunately the progress has been somewhat limited since he flew onto the scene - some are late developers and a lot are early bloomers ( I'm thinking Jack Rodwell or Joe Cole - rather than a Michael Owen or Wayne Rooney) .

It's funny because a lot of us thought he would learn from Zlatan and it would bolster his game - he was meant to be much better by now in my mind but he has stalled for me since the arrival of Zlatan and especially Lukaku, not improved to anywhere near the level necessary. He may get another boost, but I don't see it now - seems to lack that spark to be the very best. Cheque book will be opened again in the Summer, not sure how he competes then.

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Miki, Smalling, £35m - Oezil, Sanchez and Bellerin - make it happen!

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16 Jan 2018 02:04:16
Replacement for Hazard is my guess. Hopefully just BS, but if they are in the mix it will be a problem for us I think - these foreigners seem to love London, I doubt they spend much time partying, learning the history and shops you can find anywhere - it's just convenience and the 'image'.

I genuinely don't see the draw in London for a professional footballer over other major cities in the UK.

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19 Feb 2018 23:31:28
Dodgy - Did you read the original post on this thread? It starts with "I thought mctominay was excellent yesterday". Nothing about him being 5th choice, etc. I'm saying he wasn't excellent, far from it.

My prediction is that we won't be seeing much of McTom after a summer transfer window. That is the point I was making and I justified it based on our recent track record with similar young players.

I haven't slated him. I just don't think he has done enough to prevent Jose going to the market. You have twisted the point I made into a massive negative against the player, when all I am really doing is saying what all of us deep down suspect.

I think you are a pipedreamer if you think McTom will be the next John O'Shea, Wes Brown etc. Sometimes it happens, but as you already admitted, it often does not.

I'd love nothing more than a team full of academy products, passionate about the club and watching them improve. It probably will not happen again at the Elite level because of how much money is involved and how little patience there is. One or two may make it, but I think they will need to have more in their locker than what McTom has shown me so far if they intend to have a full career at Man Utd. We have £30m signings not getting a real game, a manager can only justify that if the youth player is something really special!

I think you have misinterpreted my posts for being negative, when they are just being analytical (not emotional) .

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19 Feb 2018 18:43:49
So if I am right 98% of the time and you are wrong 98% of the time, how does that make me the one lacking class?

I'm a spade caller, you're a pipe dreamer!

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19 Feb 2018 14:37:48
I'm confused that you're confused!

Maybe re-read my posts before passing judgement on me if you can't understand. By the way how many John O'Shea's does a team need? Every time somebody says X player doesn't look good enough at the minute we get shot down with the "Squad player" line, but I think our fans forget that our club is not a charity case nor does it have a good recent record of developing young players. We have about 15 John O'Sheas based on recent cake eaters.

Was McTominlay excellent on Saturday, judged against other CM's of top teams? The answer is no he was not, people are adding in miscellaneous points to his scorecard based on their own personal interpretation of what being young and inexperienced means = that is irrelevant being judged on performance alone.

I hope he becomes a star player and has a wonderful career. However I haven't seen anything more in McTom so far than the other young players I mentioned that haven't been given a kick since similar praise was lauded on them. I got slated at the time for saying we wouldn't be seeing Blackett, James, Wilson and Co again once LVG got a transfer window. Not one person came back to apologise for giving me dogs abuse for being 100% accurate.

I think you are confusing what I (Beast) would do and what I think the club will do. Personally I wouldn't sign any foreign mercenaries and would build my team around academy players blooding them relentlessly - no way in hell the club will do that. If a top class CM becomes available in the summer they will be signed, maybe 2-3 will be - in that scenario it will be to the detriment of the young kid, unless he improves significantly imo.

No reasoned argument just name calling for me passing an honest opinion on a player (that I haven't slated at all) . Do you even know what a slating is?

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18 Feb 2018 22:59:05
GDS2 - Was Carrick excellent yesterday?

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18 Feb 2018 22:51:58
AJH - I'm simply taking away the emotion. McTom wasn't excellent yesterday and I'm basing my views on his future on similar performances from youngsters that many fans raved about only to never see the kids again in a first team shirt!

I'd happily give the boy a chance, in fact I'd give many youngsters a better chance as I firmly believe in building a team with Man Utd in their hearts and a unity that only develops over time. The sad fact is that the club will not do this and too many of our fans want their cake and eat it.

If Vidal or Veratti were available 99.99% of our fans would sign them and it would be McTomWHO next season. If we start losing games because youngsters are being blooded over seasoned pro's the manager will get the axe and the fans will be going mad.

I'm simply saying McTominay hasn't done enough for me going from our recent track record. I unfortunately don't make the rules or decisions. TFM would be starting every week for me, I wouldn't have loaned out Perreira either. I'd have had Rashford starting as my main striker this season instead of signing Lukaku.

You see I'm not in need of love, I think the young players in our team are in need of love and most of our fans are in some desperate need of realism!

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