22 Oct 2026 08:38:53
Things that need to happen
1) Carrick sacked this morning
2) Wilcox sacked this morning
3) Captaincy removed from Bruno
4) Bruno put on Transfer list for January
5) Martinez sold in January
Whilst it is clear Bruno is correct you cannot have open insurrection like that. The club have got itself into the worst mess I have seen since 1973. Never seen players calling the manager out , let alone the Captain. The club appointed a sacked Boro manager and are now paying the price with the club at its lowest ebb in 53 years.
If the club do not act today, if they keep Carrick and Wilcox in place then i now genuinely fear the same result as in 1974.
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22 Oct 2026 08:40:01
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22 Oct 2026 08:04:55
Went to the Como game last night, Ive been living abroad for over a decade and waiting for United to play in a country Ive been living in for a long long time, so was very excited for the game.
Safe to say, United were abysmal, utterly woeful and Como played us off the pitch.
Still a cracking night, the stadium is amazing, if you ever get the chance to go, do it, Como and Cesc are building something really really special, the way they pop the ball around is incredible.
I saw Nico play a few years back and was really impressed by how much his physicality has improved, he looks ready made for the premier league, big, strong, tenacious and technical, a real real handful.
If we're looking for a long term Bruno replacement we could do much worse - get the chequebook out, the boy is a star in the making.
22 Oct 2026 08:26:10
They play lovely stuff. Fabregas has done a great job.
21 Oct 2026 22:29:49
I've got a funny feeling that we'll end up sacking Carrick and hiring Conte, who'll then have us playing with a back three system again.
21 Oct 2026 22:42:16
See for years we've complained about chopping and changing tactically so Conte might have been a good idea if it was straight after Amorim but that's not our club is run.
21 Oct 2026 23:36:23
I see no problem in back 3 if it works and Conte has shown multiple times he can make it work. Came to Chelsea and won the PL in his first year with the back 3. The problem with him is that you need to plan for your next manager very soon, he doesn't stick around.
22 Oct 2026 00:13:27
Let's not kid ourselves now Shappy just as with Amorim ten hag before him and now carrick these players regardless of systems cannot play in any formation
They are clueless,
That back 4 is probably the worst back 4 that we have had in over 30 years or more
How we are still playing Harry Maguire and the likes of dalot as our starting defence is criminal.
And that is down to the club for continuing to keep crap
They shouldn't have gave Carrick the job but the next man that comes in still has to deal with the fact we have a shocking back line which consists of full backs who are crap the cbs are either kids in yoro and heaven or injury prone fodder that have been here for far too long long. We was playing not so long ago Evans and Maguire as a pairing both were relegated at one point.
Carrick playing Bruno out of position is baffling either play him in his position or drop him completely
But then we have 1 striker who's out until rumours are saying feb and then we have Zirkzee who is stealing a living pretending to be a footballer
The club have let carrick down and his decisions and subs are baffling to say the least.
Come Christmas we could be looking at being in a battle to stay up as shocking as that is we are crap and don't have anything about us
We don't run, and we look worse now than we did under Amorim you can't trust anyone at Ineos to get it right as there history says otherwise
Look at what they have done at nice and how many managwrs they have had there
There decision making is just as bad as the players
Weekends game is a must win against a very poor Bournemouth side compared to recent years
But like I say we are a shambles and it doesn't matter what formation and tactics these play when you have players who don't have the passion.
22 Oct 2026 00:46:29
Zirksee is better than you make out. Never had a proper run in the team. Never been played. In his preferred position and for the most part played in a team which under performs. You could put Messi and Ronaldo in this team and they would look poor.
22 Oct 2026 07:50:02
I am less bothered about the formation than most, what I hope and expect if Conte was to come in is that there will be a plan/structure and he will get the players motivated. Whether he can get them playing at a higher tempo without a pre-season (feels very similar to pre Amorim).
Also, plenty of the players were brought whilst Amorim was here, so the switch should not be too drastic.
21 Oct 2026 21:34:12
The name being floated as the replacement for Carrick is Julian Nagelsmann.
Unsure on that one. Did well early on but then failed at Bayern and Germany.
But who knows.
21 Oct 2026 22:39:18
That's harsh, he didn't fail at Bayern. In fact I think he has one the highest points per game ratios. He just didn't win the number of trophies that they expected at Bayern.
I think if we end up with Nagelsman then that suggests that Vivell is having a greater say on the manager process than Wilcox which would suggest a slight shift in power behind the scenes.
22 Oct 2026 07:23:40
Shappy,
I agree with your post. It is similar to one I made over the past week. Whilst it might not be a popular choice among fans, it might be the best pairing for the club, as Nagelsmann and Vivell have worked together before.
The club might actually pick a manager who would suit the current set up.
Still, it is all ifs and buts. I think the club will turn to Conte. It will be another roller coaster ride.
22 Oct 2026 07:51:54
Nagelsman was my favoured choice apart from the fact he was at the world cup and would have been a delayed start. A unique character (bit marmite) but if Vivell gets to take more control they have shown they can work together.
Will be interesting if and when the board relieve Carrick which direction they go.
21 Oct 2026 20:32:36
You would wonder why Giggs was at the game, next interim manager ???
21 Oct 2026 22:40:04
Unlikely, ex-players go to lots of games if they can.
21 Oct 2026 19:58:15
If that's a happy great squad who looked great in training l think Carrick is going to the wrong training ground each morning. Absolutely shocking, that dressing room is in a state. Bruno, isn't interested maybe in a mood over his contract offer. Anther manager incoming but who's next?
21 Oct 2026 20:10:21
Bruno just called carrick out too watch his post match interview! 🤦🏼♂️.
21 Oct 2026 21:49:25
Tim_99,
Yes he did, it was certainly far more polite than Martinez. It was good to hear his thoughts and it explains why he appears disgruntled on the pitch.
The Captain has spoken out now. For United to play a high press, they woukd need to drop Maguire, as he would get caught out far too easily, playing in a high press team. The Hull game away is a more recent example of this.
Ultimately, Carrick and Co are out of their depth at Utd. Who would have thought things would have got far worse since SJR took over. That said, the training ground is magnificent, if only it had players worthy of training there.
21 Oct 2026 22:03:20
And to think we all thought we couldn't get any worse than the glazers.
21 Oct 2026 22:40:38
It's all imploding.
20 Oct 2026 11:22:59
Another rumour today, is that Bruno has turned down the offer of a contract extension. I'd imagine the club will likely trigger his 1 year extension and try and sell him if they can.
20 Oct 2026 14:27:57
Not sure it works like that MH.
20 Oct 2026 17:30:34
Good news.
20 Oct 2026 18:25:32
Even factoring how impressive Bruno has been in his time here, it honestly might not be the worst time to part ways.
At 32 he is probably on the decline and can see a similar situation to Mo Salah and Liverpool if he does sign a new deal but then finds himself being benched in certain games and kicks off. Also freeing up his wages could help prioritise spending in ofher areas mainly defence.
Also from his point of view could either earn massive money in Saudi or sign a 1/2 year deal at a European giant and try win the champions league.
20 Oct 2026 18:53:54
Bruno has without doubt been our best player over the past 5-6 years. However, all good things must come to end. I also feel that Bruno is having a similar affect on our team that Gerrard had on Liverpool's, in that the team seems to have to be built around him and only performs well when he performs well.
20 Oct 2026 22:06:19
It probably is the best time to maximise his selling fee but who is going to come close to providing his assists in the current squad. If keeping him means reaching the Champions League again then he has basically covered any loss in transfer fee.
If he is sold I can't see us qualifying for the Champions League and how will potential signings for us view the team. It's just such bad forward planning or lack of it by the United management team.
20 Oct 2026 22:39:23
The club will have to move on from Bruno at some point, but I wouldn't think for second that getting his wages off the book will result in increased investment in new players. Casemiro and Sancho both left last summer, and our transfer spend was below promoted sides.
The INEOS philosophy is to reduce the wage bill and still expect results from the squad.
21 Oct 2026 08:45:53
Bruno's costing us £15m+ a year. Any top midfield replacement will cost us more than double that in wages and amortization. It's the same sort of situation with Rashford. Barcola is costing Liverpool about £35m a year.
Pay up or don't pay down. Given our existing debt, interest payments and capital expenditure plans, I know which one I'm betting on.
21 Oct 2026 09:52:54
I know, it was wishful thinking. It is classed as profiteering if I remember correctly what ED002 once said.
21 Oct 2026 12:58:36
Bruno being sold would be classed as a 100% profit. Had he been sold for his release clause in the summer, United would have been able to have spent another £175-£250 million extra.
The club also had to pay up the £80 million in owed transfer fees, which didn't help.
If Rashford, Onana and Mount( both Onana and Mount at a slight profit) had been sold last summer, then the club would have been able to on a very good spending spree.
Unfortunately, high wages and underperfroming players, have meant the club struggle to move players on.
21 Oct 2026 15:37:58
£80m? Try half a billion lol.
21 Oct 2026 19:05:31
Id sack him, never mind sell him. along with the others. Diabolical attitude.
20 Oct 2026 06:53:07
Rumours passed on say some of the higher paid players feel they are being deliberately targeted to make them leave. Some actually wanted to leave summer just gone after being told they are being replaced in a year and some of those players are down to the last year of their contract.
As many as half the team don't want to be there or don't want to play when they might have played through a small injury before because they feel the club want rid of them.
20 Oct 2026 09:40:22
Shaw, Maguire, Bruno who else is in that category?
20 Oct 2026 11:18:51
I'd sell Dalot and Mazraoui next summer, neither are good enough. Unfortunately, that means one hell of a summer overhaul in defence.
20 Oct 2026 12:06:35
Without UCL then I can't see it happening, relying on selling players again and we know how that goes. Also what calibre of player we attract if we fail to get into Europe. All cast major question marks over things.
20 Oct 2026 17:33:52
Spurs managed to sign expensive players without European football, so it's not impossible.
21 Oct 2026 10:08:00
Manchester United broke the world transfer record in a season without Champions League.
19 Oct 2026 18:06:26
I'll throw this out there again as an alternative name to those mentioned for when Carrick is finally dismissed (only 5 more games until international break 👍)
Kieran McKenna
Knows the club
Plays a similar game to Amorim
Young enough to stay the course (if the club learn from past mistakes)
19 Oct 2026 18:10:26
No please not no experience again, surely can't keep going down this road of gambling . Retirement home for ex players and coaches now!
I would ordinarily say not a chance but with idiots running the club who knows.
19 Oct 2026 19:56:21
"knows the club" is what is hurting us.
19 Oct 2026 20:53:05
Its a resounding no from me.
19 Oct 2026 21:14:37
Why is it so important that the manager/head coach knows the club? Not worked out that well for us so far!
We already have a manager who is championship level, don't need to replace him with another.
We were promised best in class. Well the best managers and coaches out there have no history with United, and I'm fine with that. Just get the best person for the job.
19 Oct 2026 19:46:09
JBR
McKenna would be beyond Moyes level stupidity.
19 Oct 2026 23:25:49
The problem is that most managers worth their salt are not interested in the gig and why would they be? Not only is it currently a players graveyard but also one for managers.
20 Oct 2026 08:14:16
No, no. Just no!
20 Oct 2026 08:25:36
So that's a no then..
I feel we will be having this discussion every 18mths or so if we continue with any of the previously mentioned managers, for a. multitude of reasons.
15 Oct 2026 19:34:42
What route do the club go down if they decide to replace Carrick?
Conte, the top level experienced manager.
Nagelsmann, who I think would be a risk. Not an elite manager for me. Flattered to deceive in other 'big' jobs.
Hurzeler, another risk.
Probably on par with Amorim, although Amorim had actually won something.
Howe, the steady Eddie who I fear would be another yes man for the board.
Anyone else? I'm actually a bit stumped when it comes to any other names.
15 Oct 2026 19:59:45
Its a tough one 2toms.
Conte is my choice because he is the best fixer. Short term.
He will organise motivate and improve what we have.
Fabregas would be more of a long term option but i doubt he'd leave como mid season.
Naglesman is an interesting one. Again quite devisive. Hurzler doing great at Brighton like de zerbi and potter.
I do like him he is a very intelligent guy and very engaging. A great option you'd think but won't leave Brighton mid season and will cost a fortune in compensation.
Get a fixer in for 18 months like conte and if that works for longer than that then all the better.
15 Oct 2026 20:36:07
That list probably highlights the mistake we made letting Amorim leave.
15 Oct 2026 20:51:08
jd, I don't think Amorim was the answer. We played some absolutely dreadful football under him
I'd go for Conte. He would at least be entertaining and throw some fudge into the players who wander around the pitch.
16 Oct 2026 10:41:37
This was the discussion we had last year, every manager brings risk, and the club is such a mess. Hurzeler is doing well at Brighton & Hove Albion, in the club with an anaesthetic eye for talent.
16 Oct 2026 11:32:32
I pressed send accidentally.
Would Hurzeler be able to step into one of the biggest jobs going? Conte would, but given the state of things, how long would he last before blowing a fuse? And Howe, another uninspiring chap, I don't see him being a solution.
We believe we are one of, if not the biggest club, yet we appoint a Technical Director who appears unqualified, a COO who hadn't done that role before, and before Red Man says it, a Manager who failed at Middlesbrough.
Until we fix those basic problems, the chaos will continue.
16 Oct 2026 11:34:53
doesn't matter who is in charge as manager when the club can't move on players that shouldn't be anywhere near the team.
add that with a dof who sees himself more as a coach and has admitted himself he likes to interfere, that is all we need to know about how this club is ran
inoes are just as crap as the glazers, woody and the rest before them
until the club is ran for footballing purposes we could have PEP or klopp.
even prime fergie.
the manager ain't the issue, when players who are still here that can't play football get new contracts and 4 and 5 chances.
carrick should never have got the job, but he was the cheap option, like our window was. he may not be fit for purpose but that squad is shocking and it will tell when we finish bottom half this season yet again.
and until the club stop making money worth the owners sticking around, this is where we are at,
we might get the odd cup run, but major trophies is a longgggg way off.
16 Oct 2026 11:36:13
RA was stuck up his own backside. He was adamant that his 343 formation would eventually work, no matter the cost.
16 Oct 2026 13:40:23
Hurzeler, Howe or Nagelsmann. In that order of preference for me. All 3 require higher intensity from their teams which is what we seem to be lacking most. Simeone would be good too but never going to happen.
Carrick looks like he's had enough anyway.
16 Oct 2026 14:07:11
Howe is my top choice. He's someone who does the basics right. Our squad struggles with complexity. You could see that under Amorim. They just couldn't rap their heads around the system.
I'd bring in Howe for a few years to steady things, get persistent champions league football, and recruit players of a level needed to attract an elite manager. Obviously, it's not foolproof because our finances are hamstrung by debt. But Howe has a good team that know how to get results in the EPL with limited resources.
16 Oct 2026 14:26:10
insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Changed manager, changed players. Nothings changed.
United are doomed until the ownership changes. Until there is no more revenue to Syphon out the club the we are stuck.
Depressing.
16 Oct 2026 15:50:03
If the club decides to replace Carrick then I only want it happening one of two ways.
Either they replace him with a permanent manager in the middle of the season, or he stays until the end of the season and we replace him then.
What we need to do is stop this cycle of temporary managers. It keeps setting ourselves up to fail. We bring in a temporary manager and either things get worse in which case what was the point of changing, or they improve and we paint ourselves into a corner with having to potentially hire the temp full time.
16 Oct 2026 17:50:28
We could just have 2 interims per season, one till Christmas one after sure there are enough ex players in the MU Retirement home to suffice the next 5 years like that.
16 Oct 2026 19:34:57
I've said it before, and I have no idea if it would be possible, but I'd try and get Emery from villa.
16 Oct 2026 20:35:34
It doesn't matter who the manager is imo. The way the club is run, as soon as the tough gets going the manager is gone.
Nothing will change until the ownership changes and we get the right people in running the club properly. We've tried to top quality managers, the up and coming managers and were still here having the same debates.
Berrada is no better then Woodward, wilcox is no better then murtaugh. These guys are just yes men, picking up and handsome wage and telling us what we want to hear every now and again.
We could get jesus Christ in as the next manager and he couldn't turn these sour grape into wine.
I honestly hate match days now. Yeah we will have a good half here and there, but this isn't the Manchester united I love.
Bad owners, bad people running the club, second rate players, treating our loyal staff and fans badly. We've been slowly become a second rate team who have lost ambition and happy with champions league every few years. But oh well we will have a new stadium soon, that will paper over the cracks.
16 Oct 2026 22:33:26
we re no longer a club with long term planning - it worked to a degree with Chelsea so I would sort of reluctantly go with Conte and hope that in 18-24 months when it all blows up its finally enough for SJR and glazers to pack up too.
18 Oct 2026 09:54:34
Dannycnew, basically hit nail on head. exactly how I feel. A hate match days now, its depressing. i'm glad like today when its 4pm and all over whatever the result. Unfortunately, United are getting hammered today and Carrick will be sacked tomorrow and the cycle continues.
its been a mess for so long no one knows what to do. United are 80/1 to go down. looks a great bet.
19 Oct 2026 09:56:49
Hammered? Really?
80/1 seems optimistic. But I can't jest, I put a tenner on Spurs to win the league at 33/1 :D.
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