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23 Nov 2021 17:15:10
Apparently we've contacted Ernesto Valvedere for interim manager providing we don't get our main target for permanent manager now.
1.) 23 Nov 2021 17:32:06
It'll be a new name every day until we do something. The press need clicks.
2.) 23 Nov 2021 17:42:05
Does Ole get taxed on the £7.5million pay-off?
3.) 23 Nov 2021 18:39:23
I can’t see it’s a cash in hand payment ?.
4.) 23 Nov 2021 18:46:42
Give it to Roy Keane. these lot need a kick up the arse. He would pick out the weak ones in a day or 2. Half of them would be scared to put in such performances knowing they had to face him at half time.
5.) 23 Nov 2021 22:29:13
So after banishing Mourinho for being toxic, you’d bring in the master of toxicity Roy Keane.
Wonderful player, good pundit for banter, dreadful manager.
6.) 24 Nov 2021 10:20:30
It's hard to see how someone like Valverde comes in as interim without some option in place to get the job if he hits certain targets.
02 Mar 2021 17:01:47
Eds are you aware of any interest from mufc in Florian Neuhaus of Monchengladbach? Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - No. Florian Neuhaus (CM) There remains significant interest in the Borussia Muenchengladbach player with Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund seeing him as a player who will continue to improve. Real Madrid see him as an option in midfield and his representative has made no secret that there has been interest from elsewhere including Manchester City, Spurs, Juventus and the Milanese clubs, but Milan seems a less likely destination. Borussia Dortmund will push hard for him but they have growing money issues. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool at this time but he may offer a solution if Wijnaldum were to leave. BD interest will go ith Rose's commitment to not take players from BM.}
1.) 02 Mar 2021 19:52:13
Thanks for the info Ed.
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16 Aug 2022 19:29:22
Not sure if anyone has ever looked at Swiss ramble on Twitter but today they put quite a lengthy thread on the state of what the Glaziers had taken from the club its unbelievable they're allowed to do it!
£743m interest
£166m dividends
£55m director remuneration
£23m management fees
£147m debt repayment
£465m in Class A share sales.
Total taken from United: £1.559b.
1.) 16 Aug 2022 19:54:20
How the leveraged buyout was ever sanctioned by the Premier League is a travesty.
2.) 16 Aug 2022 19:54:20
How the leveraged buyout was ever sanctioned by the Premier League is a travesty.
3.) 16 Aug 2022 20:25:43
It was sanctioned because it’s a completely normal business acquisition model.
4.) 16 Aug 2022 21:41:18
Derby why shouldn't it be allowed?
They own the club
Simple. As long as they are not trading wrecklessly there is no issue as far as they are concerned.
I really wish people would understand they are not doing or have not done anything illegal?
This is very normal practise all over the world throughout almost every business sector.
Just some folk get emotional about their team. Lots of sentimentality from some fans but to them it's just business and a very profitable one from their perspective giving them great cash flow.
From their perspective its just lovely. And they are calling the shots.
5.) 16 Aug 2022 21:52:15
But new Chelsea owners will be prevented from paying dividends, selling shares or taking management fees for a decade in a bid to avoid controversy that the Glazers have done yet the Glazers are still allowed to do it.
6.) 16 Aug 2022 22:16:20
Ports
Are you speculating or those are the actual terms the new ownership has agreed to.
7.) 16 Aug 2022 22:24:53
I hate what Glazers have done to our club, and believe highly leveraged buyouts should be banned in football, and in business generally. On the other hand some of the things listed are not at all unreasonable:
Director's Remuneration/ Dividends/ Management amount to less than £14m per year over 17 years. Some of the will have gone to non-family members like Woodward and other shareholders.
Sales of shares by the family does not affect United's cash flow. The issuance of new shares raises capital.
The LBO and the financing costs undoubtedly had ill effects on United's transfer policy in the first 7 or 8 years leaving a pretty clapped out squad when SAF retired, but United have coughed up in excess of £1bn in transfer fees since then. Had it been spent well and we were competing on equal footing with Europe's elite teams, we would not now be complaining as vociferously as we are. Ultimately the biggest sin the Glazers have committed is their incompetence and the incompetence of the people they have hired to run the club.
8.) 16 Aug 2022 22:28:18
Ken,
You’re totally right it’s not illegal but look at the figures above and you can see why the club would be in a much better place with better owners.
We are penny pinching and have what seems to be a really small ‘budget’ despite losing around 8 players who were all on pretty high contracts and only signing 3 players so far after our worst season in years. They are running the club into the ground and it’s horrible to see.
9.) 16 Aug 2022 22:56:08
Nothing Changes
I heard something about it at the time so googled it and it was in a newspaper report. Apparently can’t do it for 10 years. Not sure how true this is but at the time I heard it the person was outraged as our owners are still allowed to do it. Not sure if it’s just the Chelsea purchase or a new rule?
{Ed002's Note - I am afraid you have misinterpreted this - it was a request of the previous owner in order to provide protection to the club as part of the sale process.}
10.) 16 Aug 2022 23:18:04
Fair enough 002. Shame, it’s a good rule.
11.) 17 Aug 2022 05:56:40
chelsea were lucky with abra. Not too many owners like him around. Most look at buying clubs as a business whilst some have a passion for the name and the game.
12.) 17 Aug 2022 10:05:04
Gds2 nobody disputes we would prefer different owners. But what they are doing is fine by the law and fine by them.
If folk want them out it's in our own hands but some folk won't give up their season tickets but moan all the same.
Until we have a united front nothing will change. Just people making noise and doing nothing about it.
Everybody leaving it to the next man.
If you want to have an impact on the owners then nobody should go to a game or buy any merchandise.
I'm on record and stopped doing both over a year ago.
13.) 17 Aug 2022 10:51:37
Well done, and how has that helped? You now don’t have your hobby of going to the games and the club are still owned by the Glazers. It only works if everyone does it, if they don’t then you are just sat on your own at home typing on the toxic chat room on here while 76000 paying punters sit in the stadium.
14.) 17 Aug 2022 11:43:19
Ken I think the ongoing decline and draining of the clubs finances are a couple of reasons why this shouldn't be allowed to happen. Aren't leveraged buyouts banned now or about to be? So if you believe that a clubs owners should be allowed to take what they want from a club and run it in to the ground then that's up to you!
15.) 17 Aug 2022 12:12:33
It's not up to me Derby at all. Are they doing anything illegal?
They are not running the business into the ground?
What did they pay? What's today's value?
They will be lauded in the business world for the money they have made and will make.
They are bidding men. Profit makers.
You just have different ideals for the club than they do. I think we all do Derby but they are not doing anything wrong in the eyes of the law.
Leveraged buy outs will not be banned at all. Its the way a lot of businesses operate.
They will try and put some safeguards in place but nothing that will prevent a purchase like this again.
16.) 17 Aug 2022 12:45:42
hilarious, how are they allowed? THEY OWN THE CLUB. what a remarkably dumb comment.
02 Apr 2022 20:59:50
What a horrid season summed up perfectly by elanga tackling a through on goal Rashford. We are a dull, soft and pretty much useless team and this season is every bit as bad as Moyes's season. To think we were considered challengers for the title makes it even harder to accept, looking on the positive side surely we can't get any worse.
The best thing that could happen now is West Ham and Wolves winning all there matches and we miss out on all European competition and say bye to players out of contract, bring in players Like Garner and Medbri and even Garrancho whilst replacing players like Dalot, Mctominay and Maguire with better quality. It's time for big changes this simply can not go on!
Our star is fading and clubs like City and Liverpool are leaving us in the dust, this seasons a write off but this summer could well be the most important in recent memory. They have no option but to get the right manager in, this must not end in another failure!
1.) 02 Apr 2022 22:03:52
At least this season can’t somehow be painted as a success…it’s happened before where the fa cup or carabao cup saved our season or 4th place. No hiding this time and hopefully some good will come of it.
2.) 02 Apr 2022 22:06:07
We really seem to miss a great finisher. I really miss Greenwood, think he would help a lot (not going into what happened, just saying football wise) .
If we can't get top 4, i'd rather like us missing on other european competitions, but I can't see that happening.
Leicester is never easy, but we had to win this. didn't deserve it though.
3.) 02 Apr 2022 22:36:46
The fact that the only centreforward we had available didn’t even start sums up how desperate things have become. Supposedly it was a choice between Pogba or Rashford in the XI and I would have made the same call based on Rashford’s form. Everyone is completely devoid of any spark atm. They needed to come back after the break with a fire in their belly but were lucky not to lose.
4.) 02 Apr 2022 23:21:11
I think it’s important to remember that this is the team that Ole built.
Up until the start of this season people like Gary Neville were praising Ole for building the club back up, creating an identity and so on. But what we’re left with is a set of players that, above all else, simply don’t fit together.
Our players, aside from a select few, are either average, unmotivated, or in some cases, both. Even the players who could do something for the club have to slot in with mess of transfer mistakes stretching across 4 managers. While a case can be made for Moyes, LVG and Jose not getting the players they wanted, Ole, by all accounts, did. It’s just he had no plan or playing style guiding them.
I’m hoping that whoever the next manager is will press the full reset button. No more trying to build a system around the players. Start with the basics - how the team is expected to play and bring in players suited to this.
5.) 03 Apr 2022 06:53:25
It has become a normal that by December every seaosn you crawl for a rebuild.
6.) 03 Apr 2022 10:34:56
The Ron don don,
Bit my tongue on the first crap message I read, jog on.
05 Feb 2022 09:09:47
Regardless of the result last night and the fact we should of been out of sight by half time I think that handball not being given was an absolute joke! Accidental or not he gained a clear advantage from the use of his hand, had it not hit his hand he wouldn't of been able to control the ball and provide the assist. I was right behind the goal and no one could believe it, the state of officiating in this country is an embarrassment and made up as they go along.
1.) 05 Feb 2022 12:25:00
I rolled my eyes as the Middlesboro players celebrated that goal. Have they not seen every disallowed goal over the past few years? Are they aware of VAR? It’s blatant, of course it will be disallowed. His hand has controlled the ball, intentional or not. I was stunned when the ref pointed to the centre circle.
16 Jan 2022 18:00:44
Watching the Leeds v West Ham game today and i was thinking I can't remember watching a match of ours in a long time that's really excited me win or lose! It's like a chore watching us at the minute and the football is so bland. Anyway watching todays game there were 2 standouts who would easily improve our starting 11 in Rice and Raphina. Every time I watch Rice he gets better he would instantly improve our midfield. I still can't understand why we don't play with a midfield 3 but maybe getting Rice would enable that add Bellingham to that and our midfield is no longer an issue! I know I'm making it sound easy but these players are attainable and should be the way forward for a club as big as ours it's quite frankly nothing short of a disgrace the amount of money we have spent and we still put out the weakest midfield in the league.
1.) 16 Jan 2022 18:35:29
Did you not watch the Chelsea game Derby?
2.) 16 Jan 2022 19:08:46
Chelsea, City, Lpool all far better options for Rice -if you were close to him would you advise him to join our circus?
3.) 16 Jan 2022 21:24:05
Well Rice will be obtainable, for the £100m+ West Ham have already said they'd want :D
Where do we draw a line - if Zakaria or Haidara will cost a fraction of that maybe more astute signings are the way to go? We will need a few mids but we tend to get fleeced every time we move for someone.
4.) 16 Jan 2022 22:25:20
i would go for 2 -3 players rather than the one, Rice is excellent but we could have success with 2-3 astute signings.
I don't think Rice will go for 100+ million. He isn't signing a new contract at WHU, the Telegraph reporter did a piece in the summer saying Rice has openly told colleagues on England duty he would leave. I beleive he will have around 16 months left on his contract in the summer, I think WHU have overplayed it a bit, only needs Rice to say I only want to go to Chelsea ( was one rumour) and his value significantly reduces.
5.) 17 Jan 2022 06:26:36
Rice will be the midfield equivalent of slab head, massive price tag, massive pressure but average ability . we need players ala neves, and a few of them . if we keep the ball we don't need to be obsessed with ball winners . we are thinking 2 small . we are utd, dominating games is what we should be aiming for.
6.) 17 Jan 2022 07:36:47
We no longer dominate games lol.
7.) 17 Jan 2022 07:50:21
It's clear we don't have a midfield and a defensive midfield is needed but I worry for our club. So many managers spending so much money but we are now arguably at our lowest point in decades. Reports of in-fighting, players concerns being leaked, refusing to play or train.
Our club is in bits at the moment and I really don't know how it can be fixed. A togetherness will need to be the first thing to fix before any signings.
8.) 17 Jan 2022 10:16:18
Rice would be an excellent signing. Great positional sense, doesn't mind getting stuck in, is better on the ball than any of our holding midfielders and has the ability to drive forward after winning the ball. He is more than head and shoulders above our midfielders.
All that being said and the fact we have interest in him, I can't see us getting even close to signing him. I reckon he ends up at City as Fernandinho's replacement and right now, if you're in his camp, why would you join United ahead of City?
9.) 17 Jan 2022 15:29:48
Rice is better on the ball than most of your forwards.
05 Nov 2021 12:14:40
Big game tomorrow, so my question is if we see a repeat of the Liverpool performance then what happens next? Personally I think we won't see a change of manager until at least the end of the season largely because of a lack of available candidates and the club not willing to pay to get a manager from another club.
1.) 05 Nov 2021 12:21:04
Nothing…ole will smile and clap the fans, the players will apologise perfusely and the club will post clips of our wins from 15 years ago. Everyone will then go off on the international break and we will all be expected to forget about it and support the boys when the next game rolls around.
2.) 05 Nov 2021 12:37:02
I don’t understand where you all think the club won’t pay for a manager if right one is available, they not been shy on spending on some rubbish players!
Same as anyone thinking because they give out new contracts there will not be clauses in them allowing to cut short and just pay a fee to terminate, it’s chicken feed compared to money spent on players.
You just seen Tottenham do it and they not got a money tree growing at new ground!
It’s just a very petty argument that makes no sense whatsoever.
3.) 05 Nov 2021 12:47:45
Jens I think my opinion is based on recent trends in the hireing and fireing of managers at our club in terms of when they were fired and going for managers who were available at the time.
4.) 05 Nov 2021 13:14:40
It's the simple fact that the biggest fee the club have ever paid for a manager was the fee paid to Everton which was around 2m as he had a year left on his contact.
They signed LvG due to him being available for free at the end of his contact with the Netherlands.
They signed Jose with no fees due to him being unemployed at the time. Supposedly if they hired him before the end of the season then they would have had to pay something to Chelsea. Thus we saw LvG struggle on for the rest of the season.
We again supposedly approached Spurs about Pochettino when Ole was caretaker, to be told Spurs wanted a significant fee to release Pochettino and allow him to become our manager. The club decided against it and and after a good run from Ole agreed to make him our manager after agreeing to pay Molde 1.4m.
Managers aren't like players and they aren't considered club "assets". They aren't commodities to be bought and sold.
We paid Moyes 5m when we sacked him.
We paid LvG 6m when we sacked him.
We paid Jose 9m when we sacked him.
And we'll have to pay Ole around 7m to sack him.
That's 27m spent to fire managers.
The club are reluctant to spend large fees getting managers who are on long term deals at other clubs as they are acutely aware that they will likely have to spend further millions sacking them at some point down the line.
Supposedly Pochettino isn't settled in Paris, and there are those at PSG who are questioning his appointment already. With rumours that he won't see out the season, or that he has to win the UCL to keep his job.
This alongside the rumours that Pochettino is United's preferred option should they sack Ole.
Yet the club are seemingly happy to persist with Ole in the hope that Pochettino is sacked before they are forced to sack Ole thus negating the club having to pay PSG a fee to get Pochettino.
The fact is if Pochettino was unemployed currently the club would have likely already sacked Ole and be in negotiations with Pochettino.
The fact that they aren't is mostly because they would be expected to pay to get Pochettino.
5.) 05 Nov 2021 13:47:56
My stance at the start of the season was that Ole deserves the season with this squad and if he doesn’t win anything a change would be needed. Unfortunately, Roy Keane was right and these players are throwing Ole under the bus and Ole is out of his depth to change that along with his coaching staff. This is something I didn’t think would happen but it has. So how do you resolve it? Simple solution is replace the manager and that may be sooner than I personally thought or maybe even wanted.
We needed a manager to restore some standards, excitement in this team and get a better squad together and I think Ole has done that. But perhaps, with planning, that should have been his remit in preparation for a more astute manager.
The options now are limited. I guess realistically Zidane or Enrique? Would Rogers leave a very well run club like Leicester? I think he has an ego that would make him strongly consider the job. Appreciate this is Manchester United so you think most managers would but the fact there’s a? on the job now shows where we are. If I had a magic wand then the Ajax manager a long with Van Der Sar and Overmars as a package would be fantastic. But again, do they have egos to take those roles or are they football men who can see the bigger picture and difference in the running of the two clubs?!
6.) 05 Nov 2021 13:55:58
or just maybe the board are standing by their manager as if they did sacked him, they would look pretty stupid after giving him a new contract quite recently.
Why they gave him a new contract was probably down to where the team had finished in previous season plus actually getting to a final rather than just the semi's.
Woodward rarely attends matches, so he probably knows jack about football but what he does know about is finance and increased profits.
7.) 05 Nov 2021 14:00:11
If we get hammered and the pressure and speculation ramps up even higher than after the Lpool game I can see them discreetly sounding Poch out with Zidane ready to step in at PSG. Word is he wants only PSG or the France job
Ramos supposedly unhappy, Messi not firing, Mbappe situation, Neymar being neymar and golden boy Zidane in the wings makes a perfect storm at PSG for Poch to have his doubts about long term future there
Close to a situation now where each game brings critical spotlight on Ole even if we got a draw tomorrow then lose at Villareal that's a mini crisis. dragging on to the final games in the CL . will we get out the group will we not etc etc . eventually something will give.
I thought once he weathered the fallout after the Lpool game he would get until the summer then be gone. not so sure now he will last that long.
8.) 05 Nov 2021 14:47:41
Hearing talk of Poch maybe being sacked during the international break, a lot of PSG fans are unhappy at the performances and the fact they are not dominating games in Europe. Strange comments about Messi being the reason, bit like the Ronaldo comments in the UK. Not sure how concrete the calls for a new manager are, just saw a lot of negativity on Twitter and the media are suggesting he may be gone sooner rather than later.
9.) 05 Nov 2021 15:03:26
Surely if those Rumours about Poch are true, why would some of our fans want him? Some United fans wanting to hire a manager sacked for those reasons replacing a manager fans want sacked for those reasons!
10.) 05 Nov 2021 15:16:04
Small point on Poch and PSG. I read an article the other day that PSG want their players and staff to speak French, apparently it is very important to them, to such an extent it is a written rule. Poch speaks Spanish and English to the players and the players speak the same back. Even MBappe is not speaking French to other players. Small point but Interesting it has seen the light of day at this time.
11.) 05 Nov 2021 15:30:29
I've heard similar things, there's too much disharmony in the squad, so it would make sense to have people one language. I know Mbappe made comments during one international break that he enjoys playing for France because he gets to speak French. Still, can't be bad for him having multilingual skills.
12.) 05 Nov 2021 18:05:46
Red Man. Obviously so important to them. Why else would the club employ so many non french speakers? What an odd situation.
13.) 05 Nov 2021 20:55:44
don
They seem to have a defined identity which they have moved away from to buy mercenaries.
14.) 05 Nov 2021 21:19:04
Ports, Tuchel was sacked by PSG and went on to win the Champions League with Chelsea. That logic doesn’t stand up.
15.) 05 Nov 2021 22:15:47
2toms. Completely different situations and not really the point that was being made.
16.) 06 Nov 2021 11:29:42
PSG are all over the place and it wouldn’t surprise me to see Poch bumped. If the reports about the lack of French are true, then they only have themselves to blame.
Messi hasn’t settled, Mbappe’s future is uncertain and it is a job Zidane wants, and he speaks French and is a French icon.
I would prefer Ten Haag so the question is do we want Poch, or is Ole still here to stay?
23 Aug 2021 21:28:55
I'd like to see Bissouma in our midfield, such a good player.
08 Aug 2021 08:02:02
I think Inter want zapata don't they? Martial will still be here in September I think.
02 Mar 2021 19:52:13
Thanks for the info Ed.
15 Sep 2020 19:42:47
He probably in the future wants to be Madrid's left back to. so we would be better walking away from the deal if he's just waiting for Madrid to buy him back one day. Maybe put time into developing Williams.
19 Jan 2023 08:28:26
I thought Palace raised there game compared to last few times I watched them and we didn't try hard enough to get a second goal. Always a tricky fixture for us but our bench showed we're not quite ready for a title challenge yet as we had little attacking threat available to change the how the game was going.
17 Aug 2022 11:43:19
Ken I think the ongoing decline and draining of the clubs finances are a couple of reasons why this shouldn't be allowed to happen. Aren't leveraged buyouts banned now or about to be? So if you believe that a clubs owners should be allowed to take what they want from a club and run it in to the ground then that's up to you!
16 Aug 2022 19:30:20
David Ornstein is 100% the most reliable this summer.
27 Jan 2022 12:46:32
What is the price of staying up for Newcastle? I know they'd be better equipped to stay up if they had lingard so why shouldn't mufc demand this kind of clause.
13 Dec 2021 12:23:54
Potentially being redrawn.