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06 Jan 2021 08:22:17
Moises Caicedo - what do you guys think? Although playing in a weaker league does look the complete package and has all the attributes to be a complete midfielder in the years to come.

Now, the manager of his club has dismissed any communication from United recently just after some reports suggesting the club have increased his price. Are the EDs aware of any approach from us?

I feel we must just take a gamble and sign him up. It is difficult to find players having his qualities who is equally good defensively and offensively. I hope we don't mess around like we did with Haaland and then come to regret not signing him.

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{Ed002's Note - Moises Caicedo (CM/DM) My understanding is that he impressed when Manchester United were following up on looking at another player who they had first seen in the Real Sociedad reserves. There has been interest in Caicedo from a couple of other sides including PSV and Chelsea.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:47:51
Thanks Ed002. Do you think we will sign him this window?

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to predict timescales but there is interest in him.}


2.) 06 Jan 2021 12:53:25
Chelsea's interest seems to be in the news lately. Ed002 what do you make of the player?

{Ed002's Note - Someone well placed at Chelsea is very keen on doing something and options have been discussed with his club already.}


3.) 06 Jan 2021 13:09:06
Doesn't sound good for us. Chelsea don't mess around with transfers like we do.

Thanks Ed002.


4.) 06 Jan 2021 15:41:11
My boys coach watches a lot of South American football and has been raving about Caicedo. He thinks with the recent purchases of Pellistri and Diallo he seems exactly the sort of player profile that OGS is looking for.
Has potential as a long term replacement as either a HM or box to box for Pogba.
Seems to be a no brainer and worth a punt, could end up saving us a fortune in the long run if it works out.


5.) 06 Jan 2021 17:14:42
If he cost £10-£15 million then it isn't a bad price to pay for him. Certainly worth a punt.


6.) 06 Jan 2021 17:45:14
Something in the Athletic today about it bring a really complicated transfer with multiple “agents” claiming to represent him etc.

{Ed002's Note - Atlanta said they were duped by someone who wanted a cut.}


7.) 07 Jan 2021 07:53:31
Thanks Brad76 for the info.

I really like the look of this player. At times, the way he plays you could mistake him for Pogba. He has the passing range, energy, pace, physicality, shooting ability and looks calm and composed on the ball. He also seems to tackle well and defensively good much like Kante.

It looks a no brainer to me as well and he is going to improve even more and has the potential to be world class in the future.


8.) 07 Jan 2021 08:52:24
I think the last thing we all want is another Pogba!


9.) 07 Jan 2021 09:40:13
Well Eric79, did you notice the words "energy" and "tackle well and defensively good"? I don't think those words can be associated with Pogba.


10.) 07 Jan 2021 07:54:20
Interesting Ed002, thanks.


11.) 07 Jan 2021 15:49:18
Lpu. I've not seen any of him. Where did you get the footage to know so much? Can you post the link i'd love to see more.
Have you seen him play live?


12.) 08 Jan 2021 04:20:08
Ken - not seen him live. Just some clips on youtube.

You know sometimes when you see a player and you sense and know that this guy is going to go places - it's one of those. I felt the same about Haaland and unfortunately we couldn't get him.

Caicedo is not yet perfect but seems to have all the skills to be a complete midfielder in the near future.


13.) 08 Jan 2021 20:08:25
Not seen him at all mate. As a result i can't give an opinion.


14.) 09 Jan 2021 04:09:55
Fair enough Ken. Maybe Ed002 can share some info. on the player.

{Ed002's Note - There is growing interest in him and he is well thought of. I don't think it would do him any good at all moving to Manchester United and hopefully that is the advice he will get.}


15.) 09 Jan 2021 14:04:07
If i was a player trying to make my way in the game i would not go near any team ole was coaching. i'd stay well clear and take my chances elswhere.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 04:59:36
Sven Botman being linked to us, a tall 20yr old Dutch CB. I heard he was strongly linked with Liverpool which seem to be now dismissed as agent talk. Anything the EDs know? Is he an option for us?

From the clips on youtube, he is a left footed player who seems good on the ball with excellent distribution skills. Seems good in 1vs1 situations, physical, decent in the air and seems to have the pace. Although he tackles well, at times seems to lunge in.

He seems to be available for £27million as per reports. Looks good on youtube, anyone seen him play on a regular basis?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach by Manchester United.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:48:56
Thanks Ed002.


2.) 06 Jan 2021 16:42:10
I hear we're interested in his team mate Robin as well.

{Ed047's Note - 🤦‍♂️🤣


3.) 07 Jan 2021 10:16:35
bilko!, Botman and Robin under the wings of Ole - a dream team that.


 

 

04 Jan 2021 06:48:10
Moises Caicedo being strongly linked with us and looks like it's up to us to firm up our interest and conclude the deal. Do the EDs know anything regarding this?

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{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


1.) 04 Jan 2021 11:32:38
It's looking like United will try and tie up a deal for Caicedo this window if possible. I know he has played international football for Ecuador, will getting a work permit for him be fairly straight forward?

{Ed002's Note - That is not how it works - it very much also takes account of the price paid and the wages.}


2.) 04 Jan 2021 13:50:25
Thanks Ed002, I'm far from an expert on international visas. I know in the past clubs have struggled to sign a player without international recognition. I'd imagine him representing his country will help and application, but appreciate that its far more nuanced than that.

{Ed002's Note - It is a points based system - exceptions can be made.}


 

 

14 Nov 2020 03:00:55
Looks like we might be looking at David Carmo from Braga. A young tall left sided ball playing CB who seems to be strong, good in the air and most important left footed. The only worry being he seems to be lacking the pace.

Few reports of an agreement already in place to sign him in January. Do the Ed's know anything about this?

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{Ed002's Note - I would need to check. My notes are scant. David Carmo (CB) Fiorentina remain keen. Milan enquired last summer but decided he wasn't versatile enough. Roma had an offer rejected last summer.}


1.) 14 Nov 2020 13:25:01
Thanks Ed002.


 

 

01 Feb 2020 05:10:40
Ighalo now confirmed. We could have done a lot worse by not signing anyone.

He is not the quality player that everyone wants at United but, at least we have some cover upfront. We left it too late and that's the type of player we are going to end up with most often on transfer deadline day.

I am glad we signed someone, we are already short of options with just Martial and Greenwood and imagine having an injury to either of them, it would had been disastrous.

From what I have seen, Ighalo seems decent for the short term - decent pace, can dribble and is a little trickier inside the box, has a physical presence and can score goals. He also is a lot busier than Martial and the opposition defense would not be as comfortable as they have been.

He is probably a United fan as well and is his last chance to play for a big club and that too at United. I feel he would feel privileged to play for us and would give his all, fulfilling his dream in the process.

There is not much expectation or pressure on him as he is a underdog right now and that could really help him play his natural game and probably he is going to surprise a lot of people. If he can score anywhere between 10-15 goals during his time here, it would be a great loan spell.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 01 Feb 2020 10:28:57
Fingers crossed he does a job because. well it is what it is.


2.) 01 Feb 2020 16:18:58
let's play exactly my thoughts.
There seems to be a shift in transfer strategy.
We are looking for hungrier and these 2 100% want to play for United.
One is potentially world class.
And the other is a seasoned striker on loan.
Could well be the difference for top 4 finish.


3.) 03 Feb 2020 22:35:12
according to the rags we could of ended up with glenn murray. had to read that twice.


 

 

 

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09 Jan 2021 04:29:32
It seems we might miss out on Caicedo with other clubs involved. Fabrizio Romano on his twitter feed saying the player wants to join United but he is not our priority unfortunately.

Hope we don't regret missing out on him just like with Haaland.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 09 Jan 2021 12:57:07
Utd always fo things the hard way. Make excuses. The problem is that they want it all their own way.


2.) 09 Jan 2021 14:01:18
If we don't move for him it is because he doesn't feature in our plans.

When looking at our current midfield options (Matic, McTominay, Fred, DvdB and Pogba) along with young players like Garner, Levitt and Mejbri looking to try and burst through in the next few years I do wonder how a player like Caicedo fits in.

From the little I've seen and read about him he is more a all round box to box player. When what we really need is someone who'll sit, shield the back four and give us a hub to work around.

That said we look like we are still interested in signing a 20 year old Sancho even though we have just spent close to 50m on Amad Diallo and Pellistri who are only 18 months younger than Sancho.

Sometimes it's almost like the people in charge have no idea what they are doing and just come up with a transfer policy on the fly.


3.) 09 Jan 2021 17:18:22
There's always a need for a box to box midfielder, especially one who has the youth and promise of Caicedo. I agree that we need a holding/ shielding midfielder such as Ndidi. I believe that while Fred and McTominay are decent squad players, I do not feel that they are United class. Matic is an effective deep-lying midfielder but I fear that his age is against him. We have bought several young promising players in recent times but it seems that it is our policy to identify bright young players, such as Haaland and indeed Caicedo, allow them to be snapped up by other clubs and then buy them at exhorbitant prices.


4.) 09 Jan 2021 22:02:56
Jodler, the problem is that you can only name 11 players in your starting team.

Young players need minutes on the pitch to improve. Look at Chelsea, they have a system of signing as many of the best young players possible then loaning them out hoping they come good and can then either be used in the first team or sold for a profit.

Players like KDB, Salah and Lukaku all sold off as they couldn't make it at Chelsea, yet have gone on to be successful with other top clubs. While they also have players like van Ginkel, Do Santo and Andre Schurrle.

You can have too many young players, all getting in each others way with none of them having the space and time to grow and develop into top players.

If you look at the clubs who are most successful bringing through many young players. It tends to be sides like Ajax who also see many of those great young players leave each year making space for the next crop.

We are interested in 20 year old Max Aarons, but with AWB, Shaw and Telles where would that leave Williams? And that assuming we sell Dalot. What about Laird or the two Spanish fullbacks we brought in from Barcelona and Real Madrid this summer?

People want to see us sign two CBs, but then with Maguire and Lindelof already at the club then what about Tuanzebe and Mengi and that's assuming that Bailly, Jones and Rojo leave.


5.) 09 Jan 2021 23:02:15
How do u know if we're still interested in signing Sanchoo?


6.) 10 Jan 2021 08:18:11
I agree with Jodler. Although, we have done well to snap up some promising young ones recently we always seem to dither when our incompetent ones in charge of transfers feel their valuations are not met.

We recently signed Diallo for around 41m (21m and further 20m on addons) who has played only 35 minutes of first team football and we spent that amount of money just on his potential. Now, Caicedo who has already played more minutes and is an Ecuador international and looks a very promising player and wants to join us and we are not ready to spend 5-10m on him. And the excuse seems to be we are looking at other targets this month and he isn't a priority - total nonsense.

A lot of teams are in the mix it seems - Brighton, Everton, Chelsea, PSG and the latest club linked to him is Atlanta United the former club of Diallo. It wouldn't surprise me if he comes to one of the other teams in the premier league, adapts well and shows his potential and in 2 yrs time his price skyrockets and we are made to look stupid.


7.) 10 Jan 2021 10:08:50
The reality is that we can't sign 2 or 3 players for one position.

So out of these three CM's who's your first choice, Moises Caicedo, Saul Niguez or Declan Rice?

Which one improves us to the point of challenging for the title?


 

 

09 Jan 2021 04:15:56
Let's keep aside if Ole is good enough for United or not for a moment. Provided he gets the players he wants and has the squad depth and quality how long will it take for him to win some silverware?

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1.) 09 Jan 2021 05:30:04
Yes by stealing spoons at a restaurant.


2.) 09 Jan 2021 10:34:55
Lets play.
Since ole took the job.
He has retained pogba and ddg has got the biggest contract for any keeper in the world.
He also then prevented England squad keeper going on loan.
He has brought to the club a rb a lb a cb.
2 midfielders.
2 centre forwsrds
2 kiddie wingers for 50m
He has had great support from the owners.


3.) 09 Jan 2021 10:48:25
ken, how many of those were the manager's first choice?

LVG said he got 7th or 8th choice players from his wish list lol.


4.) 09 Jan 2021 11:37:15
No idea. Neither do you. He waxed lyrical about all those signings seemed delighted win them all. Went on record saying as much.


5.) 09 Jan 2021 13:16:29
We can all answer this question ourselves. It is fair to say that Bissaka Telles Maguire Bruno were "first" choice for the coach.
And by saying first choice i mean best choice. Because if we had trusted the coach we could have bought Longstaff for 40 (? ) millions and then maybe Bruno never arrive.
That's a difficult conversation, no manager buys all his targets and thankfully. He has no time to scout the targets, he can tell in which positions he wants to strengthen and then the scouters will do their jobs. Or something like that. But its not as easy as "he didn't buyed his targets".


6.) 10 Jan 2021 01:23:48
I am just thinking about a manager coming out and saying he’s disappointed with a signing, perhaps in the interview when the player signs, saying he was his 4th choice and doesn’t understand why the club signed him. That would go down well.


 

 

08 Jan 2021 04:10:24
This squad is more capable than Ole can handle and that's why we are too dependent on individual performances to get us results and we have these cycles of inconsistency.

The potential that this squad has in midfield and forward positions is truly the best we have had since Sir Alex. Better coaching and tactics would bring the best out of these players and make us a force to fear.

The defense is our weak link and yet with proper coaching we should be able to organize and get the best out of our current defensive options. It almost feels that the current setup is putting more emphasis on attack and neglecting aspects of defending.

If the board is sold on Ole for the long term then it could be a worry for a lot of young talented prospects from the academy because I am not sure if Ole will be able to integrate them into the first team given his preference for playing his favored ones all the time and seeing how a quality player like VDB has been treated so far.

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1.) 08 Jan 2021 08:48:42
Let's play
How many points above the scouse and City do you think ole should have us.


2.) 08 Jan 2021 09:13:54
We are joint top with a game in hand. In context of this season I don't think we could realistically be any higher than where we are all things considered.

I'm also not sure if we could play better/ more consistent football either.

We have a poor defence (accepted by pretty much everyone), we have a disjointed and imbalanced midfield, while in attack we rely on young and inconsistent players.

The defence needs rebuilding, with at least two new players brought in.

Midfield we need to shift Pogba, probably Matic as well and then sign a holding midfielder who can link everything together and give us a midfield platform to build from. Personally I think Donny needs to be part of our new midfield. Only Bruno is nailed on as a part of our midfield going forward though.

In attack we still have no creative wide players, and no one who is a special-ist on the right. Rashford and Greenwood are young and inconsistent. Cavani can only offer a short term solution. While it's becoming clear that, while talented, Martial isn't good enough to be the lead striker for a title challenging team.

I'm struggling to see this great side that should be putting two teams (Liverpool and City) to the sword who have averaged 95+ points each over the past 3 seasons.

At very best we have the third best side in the league. On paper you could argue that Chelsea have a better squad and Spurs have as good a first 11.

Yet we are joint top, win our game in hand and we are top outright. Above at least two teams that are better than us and arguably above a couple more who might be better than us. That's overachieving not underachieving. Whether the club can maintain that over the whole season remains to be seen.


3.) 08 Jan 2021 12:27:35
We lost a game, we’re all doomed again.

{Ed047's Note - it’s been that way since 2013


4.) 08 Jan 2021 13:59:03
Jred, you're asking the wrong question. It's not "how many points ahead of Liverpool or City do you expect us to be? " It should be, "we've dropped 15 points in 16 games, where could we improve on this? "

You're constantly making out that Ole has this team playing better than the sum of its parts. All because we're level with the Champions Liverpool. Who by the way lost their 3 first centre backs on the back of an unbelievable 2 years. The worst thing Liverpool or City can do each season is take 6 points from us. The other 34 games a season doesn't concern them.

So we dropped 15 points this season. There's loads of room for improvement. A better manager could hypothetically have us 10 points better off. Could have done what Liverpool did last year and had maximum points after 16 games.

Constantly making it out like we're in uncharted territory and only Ole could have got us here.

Shappy, your defence of Ole last year was "Klopp and Pep are the two best managers, Ole finished 3rd. So that means no manager could have done better"

Again you're missing the point. There are plenty of managers who are better than him. Better coach, better tactician, better at implementing a style.

You're saying you struggle to see how this team could compete with 95+ points Liverpool and City. The good part is we don't have to. We have to compete with this seasons iterations of those teams.

We're doing well. But the question should simply be, is Ole getting the maximum from this squad? Is Ole getting the maximum from each player?

I think a decent manager has this United team 8/ 10 points better off.


5.) 08 Jan 2021 14:35:32
Mumbles, I don't disagree that a better manager will have us playing better football.

What I think everyone forgets when looking at us this season is context. In a normal season I would expect us to be 5-8 points better off at least. But this isn't a normal season.

Last year Liverpool had an extra 16 points and an additional +12 in goal difference compared to this stage of this season (after 17 games) . They lost no key players in the summer and arguably strengthened their squad significantly with the signings of Thiago and Jota.

Whereas, United have an extra 9 points compared to the same stage last season (after 16 games) .

This is not a normal season and that needs to be considered when assessing this seasons performances.

Should Liverpool sack Klopp for such a poor drop off in form?


6.) 08 Jan 2021 15:56:01
How many extra to villa have? Spurs?
Southamton? Lots of teams cousin v well like ourselves. Liverpool and city set unsustainable standards for lady 3 years. Its not the C.V. costing Liverpool its their injuries they had very few last year to their main men.


7.) 08 Jan 2021 16:23:03
Mumbles I have repeatedly said there is room for improvement.
But u ignore it to be dramatic

I've also said that while we sit joint top on points with a game in hand things are not as bad as people make out . maybe the grass isn't always greener .
A better manager would have us blah blah blah . You don't know that, God you see that in football every day there is no sure things.

I'm always amazed that the same people who berate our back 4 mctom matic, pogba, Fred and martial expect us to be above city and the scouse .
Especially when they also think we have an inept manager as well .
Something doesn't add up.


8.) 08 Jan 2021 16:27:35
Mumbles
You say
" a good manager could have done what Liverpool did last year and had maximum points after 16 games"

I think you need a reality check.
But each to there own.


9.) 08 Jan 2021 16:34:16
Shappy, stop trying to prop Ole up by discussing other managers. Klopp right now sits a top of the league, through in Europe and the Premier League badge on their arm is gold.

Every time Spurs drop points Jred is on the site gleaming like a kid who figured out the parental lock on the Sky box.

Every season that's gone means nothing. You can only beat what's in front of you and right now we've dropped points in 6 of our 16 games. There's a lot of room for improvement and another semi final defeat just shows maybe Ole has reached his ceiling.

If we're still in the hunt for the league by The start of April I will be impressed. But this false dawn like we've finally arrived because we went 2nd is tedious.


10.) 08 Jan 2021 16:45:10
Mumbles
Every time Spurs drop points Jred is on the site gleaming like a kid who figured out the parental lock on the Sky box.


Again no idea what your on about, I love it when the scouse drop points tho .
I'm also not sure what thst has to do with anything 🤷‍♂️.


11.) 08 Jan 2021 16:51:14
Jred. You're perfectly happy to lose a semi-final to our main rivals because Ole is the one in charge. Getting humiliated in the Champions League doesn't bother you because Ole is the one in charge.

My love and connection to Man Utd is a very emotional one. Just because you watch us get beat by City and then say "that wasn't that bad" doesn't mean other fans have to follow suit.

I want the best for Manchester United. You just want to say "I told you so"


12.) 08 Jan 2021 17:53:32
Mumbles
I'm realistic just because I want something doesn't mean it will happen.
Again your talking nonsense about me and being dramatic. I haven't said any of them things.


13.) 08 Jan 2021 18:28:03
Mumbles, my first reply simple stated that in context we aren't doing too poorly this season. Joint top with a game in hand. What will your excuse be if we win against Burnley, hell we could draw with Burnley and still be top of the league.

It was you in your reply to be that brought up other managers. "Shappy, your defence of Ole last year was "Klopp and Pep are the two best managers, Ole finished 3rd. So that means no manager could have done better". "

So I replied that again you completely ignore context like a child screaming "why haven't I got a birthday present" while at someone else's Birthday party when its not your Birthday.

I used the comparison of Liverpool's season and points last year to their points this year to highlight the level of drop off in performance seen across the EPL.

Earlier I worked out the final table based on points per game (which is the system the EPL will use if the season cannot be completed) . Based on the points per game model currently we would finish top with 78 points, with Liverpool 2nd on 74 points.

Compare that to last season where Liverpool finished with 99 points, or the year before when City finished with 98 points or the year before when City finished with 100 points. A points total of 78 points wouldn't have even seen us finish 2nd in any of the past three seasons.

Highlighting how the performance of sides has dropped dramatically this season, maybe due to the lack of a summer break, maybe due to a lack of a pre-season, maybe due to fixture congestion or maybe due to no fans in the stadium. Either way none of those things are likely to change this season. So the inconsistency of ALL the teams in the league is likely to continue.


14.) 08 Jan 2021 18:33:31
We have done well but the acid test starts with Burnley in the week, now we have lost again our recent history shows we go on losing streaks after winning ones, we need to beat Burnley then if we want a real statement beat the scousers but in reality avoid defeat, 2 league losses now and things could spiral.

As you say we are massively reliant on Bruno and individual moments from Rashford, that's alongside our weak defence is not what will win you leagues unfortunately, too many off the cuff players like Martial and Pogba.

Touching on youth, Ole sold us on the man utd way, what youth has be really broken in under Ole? Bought James and AwB, Scott and Rash had already broken in, Brandon has been blocked and I don't recall us being a defence minded team as our way.
Also I've said about Donny since his 1st benching, could see a mile off things wasn't right there despite some on here saying the opposite, United is about being brave, taking risks, nor sure Ole is either, Phelan certainly isn't, x2 DM in most games hoping for moments of brilliance with clas acts benched week in and out, if things start going south again then I start to worry for what Bruno will be thinking.

Anyway, 2nd in the league with opportunity to go top, so I don't want to be too negative but we have seen many false dawns under Ole before, if we get into Feb in the same or better position then it'll be a race.


 

 

08 Jan 2021 03:41:47
Just read an article on mediareferee site titled "Why Boubakary Soumare would be a great long-term signing for Manchester United" and further down the page was a mention of Pogba and some of the statements are delusional -

"Paul Pogba has grown into becoming one of Manchester United’s most influential players this season. "

"In the event Pogba does end up leaving, it would create a huge deficit in the midfield. "

I know it's just an article and of not much relevance but I just don't understand the love for Pogba from some people and they still believe he is "world class" and "best midfielder" that United have had.

What's frustrating is when anyone criticizes him then some of his fans mention his color, race, religion or country as being the reason for the stick he gets. Some even bring other United players into the equation to suggest having an agenda against Pogba.

With him his performances at United unfortunately don't stack up to his talent and that's where a lot of criticism comes from.

It's time to let him go and give VDB the time to shine.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 08 Jan 2021 05:44:57
Easily one of our worst signings in terms of faith shown in him by the managers. can't remember last time where he bossed it for 90minutes.
Hopefully we get rid this summer. Funny part is he is still in the managers first team plan.


2.) 08 Jan 2021 07:34:30
Influential figures? Just coasts thru games losing the ball or falling over flapping his arms wanting a free kick most weeks.


3.) 08 Jan 2021 09:20:25
Since Pogba signed only Rashford has scored more goals and no one has more assists.

So while there are many question marks over his performances, he has been our most impactful and influential player. So I don't see a problem with a writer commenting as such in an article.

That said, Pogba doesn't want to be here and we should be facilitating his exit. Then we look to rebuild.


4.) 08 Jan 2021 10:25:18
Lies, damn lies and statistics Shappy. Sounds like you've never seen Pogba play. Take it from the rest of us, he is just an idea of a footballer.

If you don't believe me watch Wednesdays match and then come back and tell us how "impactful and influential" Pogba was.

Jeez Louise, next you'll be saying that Solksjaer is a decent manager.


5.) 08 Jan 2021 12:08:34
Shappy what a load of rubbish.
Pogbas name shouldn't be near the word influential.


6.) 08 Jan 2021 12:59:18
Come on Shappy Pogba has been here since 2016 and scored 26 goals. Bruno is on for equalling that in 38 games or a single season of games. He needs 7 in the next 8 games. Added to the fact that. Pogba doesn’t want to be here and that has showed this season and last where he has 2 goals and 2 assists. That is not influential at all. He needs to go and we need to build a midfield without him and my McFred .


7.) 08 Jan 2021 13:28:40
Give it a rest Shappy he hasn’t scored at OT for 18 months.

Run your stat checker over that time, rather than the first couple of seasons when he was our penalty taker.

He’s a MOTD player and that’s why neutral football fans think he’s good. They see his highlights reel and he looks a world beater.

Yet for those of us who watch him every game, we see him pass the ball out of play, see him hounded out of possession, fail to chase back and repeatedly give away clumsy penalties, we know how what sort of player he really is.

Never have I felt like this about one of our own players. It will be a great day for the club when he finally leaves, and I think most will realise that when he’s been gone for a little while.


8.) 08 Jan 2021 13:48:05
I'm not saying he's a good player for us or even that he has been good enough.

The OP's issue seemed to be with the use of the word "influential", I was merely pointing out that from a goalscoring perspective that only Rashford has been more influential during Pogba's time at the club.

I agree that he needs to go and that the balance of our midfield will be much better once he has gone.

Under normal circumstances Pogba would not have been an influential player at United. But we have been shorn of quality in midfield for many years now and while he hasn't been world class he has been the best we have had (until Bruno) at creating/ scoring from midfield. Ergo he has been influential. Albeit influential in our worst form for 30 years.


9.) 08 Jan 2021 15:27:19
Fair enough Shappy.

But I still think you need to look at the last two years, rather than the first two years.

If Pogba has been one of our most influential players it shows how much we’ve lacked real quality.

Fortunately we now have Bruno and Rashford carrying the torch, and could have VDB pulling the strings of Ole dare give him a run of games.


10.) 08 Jan 2021 15:49:53
Pogba is lucky there are no fans at OT because there is no doubt he would be getting the bird.


 

 

07 Jan 2021 07:44:51
Everyone of us agree that we need more quality signings to this squad in certain positions to make us better but, would that be enough to be consistent and challenge for top honors under Ole.

For me, with better players around our consistency might improve and we get better results however, under Ole it looks like whenever we play well and get results it's more to do with a bunch of individual performances than the team as a unit. He seems lost when the same players don't perform and seems incapable of doing anything to turn it around in games.

Unless Ole is more progressive in his approach and learns from his mistakes quickly and unless he is surrounded by better coaching staff, we are going to have these inconsistencies and false dawns throughout seasons.

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1.) 07 Jan 2021 08:54:51
We need a new top quality CB and are desperately missing a No9 as the focal point for Rashford, Greenwood, and Martial to run off. I’m not saying RW as I am making a huge assumption we have bought Diallo for that berth.


 

 

 

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09 Jan 2021 04:09:55
Fair enough Ken. Maybe Ed002 can share some info. on the player.

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{Ed002's Note - There is growing interest in him and he is well thought of. I don't think it would do him any good at all moving to Manchester United and hopefully that is the advice he will get.}


 

 

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08 Jan 2021 04:20:08
Ken - not seen him live. Just some clips on youtube.

You know sometimes when you see a player and you sense and know that this guy is going to go places - it's one of those. I felt the same about Haaland and unfortunately we couldn't get him.

Caicedo is not yet perfect but seems to have all the skills to be a complete midfielder in the near future.

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08 Jan 2021 03:52:45
We have all been bashing the board for their transfer strategy and all and now when they bring in a skillful player like VDB and the manager doesn't have a plan and don't know how to use him. That's even more pathetic.

It will be criminal to let go of VDB when we have all been crying out for some quality in that midfield area for quite some time. If anything Ole should be the one to go if he can't realize or help fulfill the potential of a player like VDB.

Can't just get my head around why we would want to let go of a quality player like him especially in such a short time.

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07 Jan 2021 10:16:35
bilko!, Botman and Robin under the wings of Ole - a dream team that.

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07 Jan 2021 09:40:13
Well Eric79, did you notice the words "energy" and "tackle well and defensively good"? I don't think those words can be associated with Pogba.

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18 Jan 2021 14:24:20
Have to agree regarding Rashford. He seems to be bothered by something. Maybe he needs a rest to sort himself.

There was one instance against Liverpool in the final minutes I guess when we got a break on the counter and Rashford took the ball forward and had Cavani towards his left in plenty of space and he just ignored and got fouled running into defenders in the end.

And it's not just Rashford, every other player in the forward positions except for Bruno seems to be making the wrong decisions closer to goal. Ole needs to tell his forward players to get their heads up and look for a pass when their teammate is in a much better position in the final third.

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18 Jan 2021 06:38:19
Although Pogba has done well recently playing with more energy and better attitude on the pitch I feel he is just auctioning for either a move away or for a better contract with us if Ole and the board are dumb enough to do that.

And redcon it would really be a crazy idea to play him through the middle in a more attacking formation as he doesn't do much defensive work at all and will put more pressure on our other midfield players and he still frequently gives away the ball as well.

Taking about him being wasted out wide, if anything he is the one who has been wasting his talent for quite a while now and performs well every once in a while. And when has he ever been stronger going through the middle, I haven't seen much of that.

We need to stop hyping him up whenever he plays well as he has nowhere near been consistent and been frustrating to watch 90% of the times. If he can sustain and improve upon his recent performances it's great for everyone involved.

Irrespective of whatever he has been doing lately we need to move him on in the summer.

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10 Jan 2021 08:18:11
I agree with Jodler. Although, we have done well to snap up some promising young ones recently we always seem to dither when our incompetent ones in charge of transfers feel their valuations are not met.

We recently signed Diallo for around 41m (21m and further 20m on addons) who has played only 35 minutes of first team football and we spent that amount of money just on his potential. Now, Caicedo who has already played more minutes and is an Ecuador international and looks a very promising player and wants to join us and we are not ready to spend 5-10m on him. And the excuse seems to be we are looking at other targets this month and he isn't a priority - total nonsense.

A lot of teams are in the mix it seems - Brighton, Everton, Chelsea, PSG and the latest club linked to him is Atlanta United the former club of Diallo. It wouldn't surprise me if he comes to one of the other teams in the premier league, adapts well and shows his potential and in 2 yrs time his price skyrockets and we are made to look stupid.

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09 Jan 2021 04:39:52
Rashford's criticism is warranted to a certain extent. He is talented for sure but he is not yet the finished article. His decision making in the final third has been poor and although he has improved with his goals tally and finishing, he still is not clinical in front of goal.

Him being overplayed and playing with an injury towards the end of last season hasn't helped him either. However his overall games still warrants a lot of improvement.

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09 Jan 2021 04:18:54
dazw true that and Bruno has been a big part of that. Not to forget our incompetent board but probably they are also confused with the inconsistent results.

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