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06 Mar 2021 05:30:55
Rumours of Ole getting a new contract. Is there any truth to this?

Does the board believe in him and would allow more money to be spent on players? Are we falling into the same trap where we trust and sign players to improve the squad and in the end the manager fails and the new manager has a cleaning up job to do in order to get new players in?

Hope a few in the board see some sense and don't mess around anymore.

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1.) 06 Mar 2021 07:28:13
I think the board will at least wait until the end of the season and will almost certainly not be in a rush to hand him a new contract.

I'd imagine that since Utd have gone from 1st to send place with a 14 point gap between the two places might just have the board thinking he might not be good enough.

On paper, given our current form we could very easily lose all our games in March. Although I do expect us to turn things around. Leicester will benefit from not being in the EL. Ogs will play a strong team in the EL. His inability to rest key players his a worry, I do fear at the end of the season we may have a team that has run out of juice.


2.) 06 Mar 2021 07:39:03
You just need to ask "what constitutes success for the board and the owners they work for? "

While Ole might in the eyes of most fans be the worst manager we have had since Sir Alex, he looks set to be the only one to manage successive top four finishes.

Since pretty much all past United managers have been sacked when the club failed to achieve a top four finish, I think its clear what the club's ambition is.

The club are already putting out stories to dampen fans expectations in the summer transfer market. Historically they have always spent significantly less in the summers after UCL qualification has been secured. This year they get to do it but blame the C.V. for hitting finances (which it definitely has) .

We are a cash cow for our owners, their ambition is simple only invest enough to keep the money rolling in. That's why there is no investment in the stadium, as it doesn't increase revenue. They'll spend on players when they have to in order to get top four.

We are Arsenal now. Get used to it. No doubt at some point Ole will get the sack, maybe next season if he doesn't get top four, or the year after if he does. Basically he will be our manager until we fail in the eyes of the owners.

Then the next guy will come in and he'll be tasked with the same remit, get top four and keep your job. If you can win a cup or even a title then great. But they won't getting financial backing in the years they make top four, so sustained success seems unlikely.


3.) 06 Mar 2021 08:06:42
" worse manager by most fans "?
On thus site, don't mistake this site for an example if the majority of united fans.


4.) 06 Mar 2021 08:27:11
Jred, i bet its more than 70% worldwide. OGS should consider himself lucky there are no fans at OT. When the fans do come back and OGS is still in charge, there would be singing but the music will be drowned by the sound of snoring.


5.) 06 Mar 2021 09:33:17
Shappy i wouldn't say he looks set to get top 4 again if results go against us this weekend. we could be right in the dog fight of top 4 with 2nd to 7th only having 6 points difference and 3 of those teams have a game in hand on us also with 1/ 4 of a season left to play.


6.) 06 Mar 2021 11:17:36
Sadly, I think that the board views top four as a success; as evidenced by the huge disparity between our net spends when we do and don’t qualify for the Champions League. I’m sure the board would love for the team to win silverware, but they damn sure don’t want to spend the kind of money required for us to do so.

It strikes me very much as short term thinking, as while Manchester United may still be a big draw to potential sponsors right now, a few more trophyless seasons and continued boring performances will change all of that pretty quickly. The next generation of potential fans will have very little interest in supporting a side like ours and as they grow into their roles as consumers, the big sponsors will follow their lead.


7.) 06 Mar 2021 12:03:51
Good post Shap’s!

Redseven - I’m not so sure mate Spurs built themselves a solid reputation by just consistently finishing in the top 4 under Potch. Would they have built that fantastic new stadium if they had been finishing mid table so commercially it can be considered a success for some Clubs but surely this can never be tolerated at Man Utd.

Anyway I think the evidence is staring us in the face. The football is no better, results remain inconsistent Ole has always been nearer the sack than turning us into a decent outfit. In my opinion we’ve been dragged back into a dog fight for top 4 and following our Champions League capitulation I couldn’t say with any confidence that we won’t throw it away. Having said that what does finishing in the top 4 actually mean for us fans? We didn’t even get out of the group stage this season and the board have already said they’ll be no money available for transfers this summer. It probably safeguards revenue and sponsorship for the Club but it doesn’t mean we’ll be able to compete next year.

I’m depressed we’re not going anywhere quick and if the best we can look forward to is Champions League football whilst playing safe, percentage football to achieve it watching Liverpool and City winning the major honours then welcome to purgatory, welcome to the post SAF apocalypse, welcome to Manchester United.


8.) 06 Mar 2021 15:00:25
If the purse strings are to be tightened next year, then is it not even more imperative that we have a coach who is actually good at coaching and improving players?


9.) 06 Mar 2021 16:49:25
I second that notion Mumbles. Get rid of the "INEPT ONE". Get a proper coach.


10.) 06 Mar 2021 18:07:21
I strongly suspect manager severance packages are tied in to UCL qualification. Ergo if we finish top 4 it would likely cost more to sack the manager.

But like I said, it really doesn't matter what style we play to the owners. They don't watch the matches, they just want the money that UCL qualification brings in, along with the tied in sponsorship deals.

As long as the manager achieves that he will be here as our manager.

{Ed014's Note - long may it continue 😉


11.) 07 Mar 2021 12:33:59
I think the 'United are Arsenal now' comment is spot on. None of us like it but the reality for a long time has been winning silverware is not imperative from the owners perspective. We are having a strange season in that we are capable of scoring 9 but yet conceding 6. We all know we are a way short on quality at CB and arguably need to buy 2 class CBs whereas financially we will struggle to get one. I do think a settled defensive triumvirate (Henderson - Maguire - then Torres or Varane) would transform this side offensively also. And that for me is the key position we have to fill. Any thought of buying Sancho, Haaland or Grealish is just a pipe dream though. The view will be Amad on RW and Greenwood at CF will save us £150-200m which we just don't have to spend. The only way I see us buying anyone is if we can generate some cash from De Gea, Martial and Pogba leaving. Achieving Top 4 is our minimum requirement given the Champions League revenue it generates but providing Ole achieves that I don't think he is going anywhere.


12.) 08 Mar 2021 01:51:28
We might be Arsenal but Arsenal are more like Stoke, mid table obscurity.


13.) 08 Mar 2021 07:37:01
Agree with GDS2 here, Arsenal are a weaker squad with a manager no better than our own. Have a bit of respect for us 😂.


14.) 08 Mar 2021 07:52:06
Okay, I'll revise that, we are Arsenal of 10 years ago. A declining club that used to challenge for titles, but now it's main aim is the top four trophy 😂.


15.) 08 Mar 2021 08:02:15
God arsenal would probably be very lucky to achieve top four on current form. I think shappy was referring to the old arsenal, when they where a decent side.

{Ed077's Note - they would probably want a open top, bus parade if that happened😂😂


16.) 08 Mar 2021 09:12:39
77 😂 😂 😂

It does make me laugh though how Ole cops a lot of stick while Arteta quietly continues to underachieve and gets away with it.

{Ed077's Note - because sadly for them, their standards have fallen so far that its not that relevant anymore. Thats just the proof that accepting mediocrity for long period just ends up making you bang average.


17.) 08 Mar 2021 13:29:23
God. Please don't let that happen to us 🙏, just being content with top four is not enough🤔😡 hopefully the glaziers have enjoyed the success of TNEP and push for some for us.


 

 

17 Feb 2021 03:19:45
Ed's do we still have an interest in Benoît Badiashile (CB) or are we looking at a more experienced option in the summer?

LetsPlay!United

{Ed002's Note - The interest is in others.}


1.) 17 Feb 2021 10:42:13
Ed said previously that our top targets are Pau Torres and Ben White.

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


2.) 17 Feb 2021 10:30:16
Hi again Ed002.
Pau Torres the preferred target as I understand it from previous posts.
The Seville CB Kounde is being reported as also being a new target for OGS, anything in this from what you know?

{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}


3.) 17 Feb 2021 12:51:47
Thanks Ed002.


4.) 17 Feb 2021 13:05:25
Here are some of the recent updates on CBs as provided by Ed002, to whom I would like to say a big THANK YOU.

{Ed002's Note - Pau Torres (CB) Manchester City have him as an option. Manchester United have him as first choice but only if sufficient sales are made. Barcelona has a sustained interest but price will likely be an issue and they may look to horse trade some players - but little will become clear before the election is completed. Bayern Munich have him as one of three primary targets to fill the two CB slots they need to address in the summer.


Ben White (CB) an alternative to Pau Torres for Manchester United, but seen as expensive because of the "English premium". Spurs have sustained interest but the funding will go on other priorities. Liverpool could look to white to boost their HG quota if they opt for aan expensive addition. Brighton will look to hang on to him.


Sergio Ramos (CB) PSG wanted a January agreement to take him as a Free Agent in the summer but the player is apparently reluctant to commit just yet. Real Madrid want to extend his contract but want to reduce the package he currently gets to help their quest to cut costs - if that gap can somehow be resolved it is the most likely solution. Interest from both the Far East and the Middle East is not attractive for the player. Milan offer a potential option because of tax advantages in Italy - but they will probably add Fikayo Tomori and it is likely the second CB they are looking for will be younger. Whilst the Premier League would provide an interesting challenge for the player, at just about 35 years old with significant wage demands it makes little sense for the clubs. I am not aware of any approach from Manchester United and would expect them to look at a younger long term solution.


Jules Kounde (CB) Sevilla rejected a significant offer from Manchester City last summer and Monchi has confirmed that Manchetser City remain keen still. He was recommended to Manchester United by an advisor but there has not been any approach just yet - and others seem more likely at this time. Real Madrid were the other side who were keen last summer and they are looking to add two CBs this summer with one agreed in principle, the other will be one of four on their shortlist which includes Jules Kounde. With one of those four likely not obtainable it would then come down to balancing the books with other sales and purchases.


Ibrahima Konate (CB) could emerge as an option for first choice for Liverpool in the summer - Liverpool have been talking with his agent but whether or not Konate has been discussed in detail is not known, but his agent offered a different player to Liverpool. RBL will want to hang on to him as they will lose Upamecano in the summer. Money would possibly be an issue for Liverpool and any further illegal approaches to RBL players would no doubt result in a complaint now. Expect interest from Spurs as well and possibly Manchester United but he is far from first choice for them. Chelsea have shown no interest in him to date.


Raphael Varane (CB) and that is about it for CBs. If he does not sign a renewal he will be sold in the summer - possibly leaving Real Madrid needing to add three CBs. Manchester United have other targets but could be tempted. Do not be surprised to see Spurs rejig their summer plans to buy him. Mr Mourinho will look to a way to sign Varane for Spurs in the summer. The player wants a new challenge and PSG will likely push for him in their quest for a leading French player. }.


5.) 17 Feb 2021 13:45:37
Really like the look of Jules Kounde out of this lot. But then again he is an 'emerging' talent, relatively inexperienced in a weak league, and in the notoriously physical PL, I wonder if a more established player is required.


6.) 17 Feb 2021 13:48:11
Thanks for that Deependra.


7.) 17 Feb 2021 14:14:52
Thanks Deependra!

Is there anything to on the DoF front? I’ve read about the guy from Monaco, has there been anything more said by the Eds?


8.) 17 Feb 2021 19:51:43
+1 deeps.


9.) 19 Feb 2021 14:25:23
Another one to add courtesy of ED002. Again a Big Thank you to him for his great insights.

{Ed002's Note - Nikola Milenkovic (CB) Inter Milan, Manchester United and Juventus have all expressed and interest in Milenkovic who Fiorentina will possibly be open to selling for €50M-€60M in the summer. His representatives are pushing him toward Manchester United who already have a lengthy list of targets and their prior interest could return - he was an alternative to Maguire. I am not aware of any interest from Liverpool at this time. }.


10.) 19 Feb 2021 14:52:26
From the list only Pau Torres/ Benoît Badiashile are left footed CBs and exactly what we need.

Watched a few youtube videos of these players and not much convinced about Jules Kounde, he looks like a attacking CB who is probably more suited to a fluid attacking team. Both Pau Torres and Nikola Milenkovic look better options for us. Nikola Milenkovic reminds me of Vidic the way he plays, gets stuck into his opponent and is more aggressive than Torres.


 

 

17 Feb 2021 03:01:43
Ed's do we have any interest in André Silva (ST) from Frankfurt? Looks a good fit for us.

LetsPlay!United

{Ed002's Note - Andre Silva (S) was recommended to several clubs, certainly including Everton and Manchester United, by a very high-end independent scout who used to play in the Premier League. This dates back to last summer before his loan became a permanent move.}


1.) 17 Feb 2021 12:51:13
Thanks Ed002. Are we still interested though?

{Ed002's Note - I only know what I have written which probably means that MU have not approached his club - where he only signed a few months ago.}


2.) 17 Feb 2021 13:41:08
Ok Thanks Ed002.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 08:22:17
Moises Caicedo - what do you guys think? Although playing in a weaker league does look the complete package and has all the attributes to be a complete midfielder in the years to come.

Now, the manager of his club has dismissed any communication from United recently just after some reports suggesting the club have increased his price. Are the EDs aware of any approach from us?

I feel we must just take a gamble and sign him up. It is difficult to find players having his qualities who is equally good defensively and offensively. I hope we don't mess around like we did with Haaland and then come to regret not signing him.

LetsPlay!United

{Ed002's Note - Moises Caicedo (CM/DM) My understanding is that he impressed when Manchester United were following up on looking at another player who they had first seen in the Real Sociedad reserves. There has been interest in Caicedo from a couple of other sides including PSV and Chelsea.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:47:51
Thanks Ed002. Do you think we will sign him this window?

{Ed002's Note - I don't want to predict timescales but there is interest in him.}


2.) 06 Jan 2021 12:53:25
Chelsea's interest seems to be in the news lately. Ed002 what do you make of the player?

{Ed002's Note - Someone well placed at Chelsea is very keen on doing something and options have been discussed with his club already.}


3.) 06 Jan 2021 13:09:06
Doesn't sound good for us. Chelsea don't mess around with transfers like we do.

Thanks Ed002.


4.) 06 Jan 2021 15:41:11
My boys coach watches a lot of South American football and has been raving about Caicedo. He thinks with the recent purchases of Pellistri and Diallo he seems exactly the sort of player profile that OGS is looking for.
Has potential as a long term replacement as either a HM or box to box for Pogba.
Seems to be a no brainer and worth a punt, could end up saving us a fortune in the long run if it works out.


5.) 06 Jan 2021 17:14:42
If he cost £10-£15 million then it isn't a bad price to pay for him. Certainly worth a punt.


6.) 06 Jan 2021 17:45:14
Something in the Athletic today about it bring a really complicated transfer with multiple “agents” claiming to represent him etc.

{Ed002's Note - Atlanta said they were duped by someone who wanted a cut.}


7.) 07 Jan 2021 07:53:31
Thanks Brad76 for the info.

I really like the look of this player. At times, the way he plays you could mistake him for Pogba. He has the passing range, energy, pace, physicality, shooting ability and looks calm and composed on the ball. He also seems to tackle well and defensively good much like Kante.

It looks a no brainer to me as well and he is going to improve even more and has the potential to be world class in the future.


8.) 07 Jan 2021 08:52:24
I think the last thing we all want is another Pogba!


9.) 07 Jan 2021 09:40:13
Well Eric79, did you notice the words "energy" and "tackle well and defensively good"? I don't think those words can be associated with Pogba.


10.) 07 Jan 2021 07:54:20
Interesting Ed002, thanks.


11.) 07 Jan 2021 15:49:18
Lpu. I've not seen any of him. Where did you get the footage to know so much? Can you post the link i'd love to see more.
Have you seen him play live?


12.) 08 Jan 2021 04:20:08
Ken - not seen him live. Just some clips on youtube.

You know sometimes when you see a player and you sense and know that this guy is going to go places - it's one of those. I felt the same about Haaland and unfortunately we couldn't get him.

Caicedo is not yet perfect but seems to have all the skills to be a complete midfielder in the near future.


13.) 08 Jan 2021 20:08:25
Not seen him at all mate. As a result i can't give an opinion.


14.) 09 Jan 2021 04:09:55
Fair enough Ken. Maybe Ed002 can share some info. on the player.

{Ed002's Note - There is growing interest in him and he is well thought of. I don't think it would do him any good at all moving to Manchester United and hopefully that is the advice he will get.}


15.) 09 Jan 2021 14:04:07
If i was a player trying to make my way in the game i would not go near any team ole was coaching. i'd stay well clear and take my chances elswhere.


 

 

06 Jan 2021 04:59:36
Sven Botman being linked to us, a tall 20yr old Dutch CB. I heard he was strongly linked with Liverpool which seem to be now dismissed as agent talk. Anything the EDs know? Is he an option for us?

From the clips on youtube, he is a left footed player who seems good on the ball with excellent distribution skills. Seems good in 1vs1 situations, physical, decent in the air and seems to have the pace. Although he tackles well, at times seems to lunge in.

He seems to be available for £27million as per reports. Looks good on youtube, anyone seen him play on a regular basis?

LetsPlay!United

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach by Manchester United.}


1.) 06 Jan 2021 12:48:56
Thanks Ed002.


2.) 06 Jan 2021 16:42:10
I hear we're interested in his team mate Robin as well.

{Ed047's Note - 🤦‍♂️🤣


3.) 07 Jan 2021 10:16:35
bilko!, Botman and Robin under the wings of Ole - a dream team that.


 

 

 

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22 Apr 2021 06:34:02
Looks like the footballing world escaped a Tsunami in the form of ESL. I was really dumbfounded on how quickly it all started and ended tbh. Seems to have really kicked some sense into these big arrogant people driving the idea of a SL especially during a C.V.

A better idea would had been to bring these big teams together as part of a C.V. initiative who could then play against each other every once in a while and any proceeds goes into helping the victims of the C.V. That would probably have made the fans respect their clubs even more and which would have been a great gesture to the footballing community as a whole.

LetsPlay!United

{Ed001's Note - it didn't start quickly, this has been in the planning for years. The first attempt was that project bigmess they threw out a while back. This was just a second variation that they put out after the furore of the first version died down. They are doing it now so they can use the pandemic's financial effects as an excuse and claim to be trying to save the game. It is not going to go away while owners like FSG and the Glazers are involved, they will just wait for it all to die down and make slight changes to the wording and relaunch once more. They will keep doing it, again and again and again, until they wear down resistance.} Become a Patron!


1.) 22 Apr 2021 09:23:27
Ed001, so it's not the end of this which is even more concerning. Probably they need to realize that too much of anything is poison. Where do you see this going in the end?

{Ed001's Note - I expect them to keep pushing it out there every so often until the ESL becomes reality. The only way it will not happen is if they are driven out. The problem is that UEFA are helping their cause with the way they keep trying to pacify them by making their competitions closer and closer to the ESL anyway. But at least with UEFA they will never want the clubs to withdraw from domestic competitions, while the ESL is likely to see the ESL being the only competition as the end game.} Become a Patron!


2.) 22 Apr 2021 09:55:08
ESL as the only competition would be a disaster. Undermining domestic competitions would be a curse to football as a whole I feel.

Ed001, do you think that if footballing fans come together globally and oppose this, will that have a big impact to make these people drop the idea completely?

{Ed001's Note - yes. The fans have all the power. Sponsors will not want to be involved if fans are against it. TV companies won't want to show something that fans are not going to watch. So where will the money come from to make it work?}


3.) 22 Apr 2021 10:15:29
Perez will keep pushing as he’s desperate given the state of Madrid’s finances. He seems to be in denial.

Ultimately if the English teams aren’t involved then right now it doesn’t happen. Look at the revenues by club and over the last 20 years you see the English teams rising and starting to dominate. If they seat out then I don’t see how it happens.


4.) 22 Apr 2021 10:15:24
I hope it doesn't get to the point that fans have to get involved on a larger scale and that somehow the people who came up with the idea see sense and respect the footballing traditions and emotions of others involved in the game.

Ed001, thanks for your valuable opinions. Appreciate that.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome, not sure how valuable they are though!}


5.) 22 Apr 2021 11:20:05
This is why the two Spanish clubs are so keen on the ESL. They are completely skint and are unable to stump up the cash for the players that they want to buy.
Perez is an embarrassment.


 

 

24 Mar 2021 07:05:13
The VDB situation is a weird one. A very skillful, technical player who is under utilized in the first place and when given the chance has looked good in parts but overall looks lost.

I think he could be a confidence player and needs more trust and time on the pitch to get going. Unfortunately it seems Ole doesn't know how to use him and probably doesn't trust him much.

The ideal scenario would be to play VDB/ McTom in the midfield 2 more often where McTom who has more energy to cover the ground just sits deep while VDB can sort of play the Carrick role by keeping it simple, control possession and look to move the ball forward. He is also clever at dropping into open spaces and ghosting into the box and can be a great asset building up attacks.

It would just be a real shame if he does go when you look at our midfield with players like Fred/ McTom as first choice.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 24 Mar 2021 07:21:34
The ideal scenario in my mind would be to push Ole out.
And go on and invest in 2 CBs that do not need protection.
I think the forward side of the team is not that bad as it's made to be, but the defense needs more work.


2.) 24 Mar 2021 08:21:48
Lets Play - he doesn't look fully fit to play 90 mins most games as his movement drastically reduces after 60 mins on the pitch. I think he is being played in the wrong position as he is not a Bruno replacement, but an upgrade on Mctominay. Issue is McTominay runs around more than VdB and is more physical. We also lack a mobile CDM and a pair of good CBs which makes it difficult to play VdB in a box to box role. Get some one like Saul and a good CB into the club adn we can then see VdB flourish.


3.) 24 Mar 2021 08:29:10
The longer Donny is here the more it reminds me of the Veron situation. A clearly supremely talented player whose just not suited to how we play or the EPL.

Donny plays his best in a free 8 or No.10 role in a high pressing possession based style. He is excellent at short intricate passes and keeping possession. Tactically working as a team to move the opposition out of position to create space before playing the killer ball. He isn't s particularly physically strong player (although he isn't weak), he isn't quick or has a high level of stamina.

He could adapt as he has the talent, but will he remains to be seen.


4.) 24 Mar 2021 08:42:07
We are wasting his talent without giving a consistent run in the team.


5.) 24 Mar 2021 09:27:25
I don't think dvb has played yet for Utd as one of the midfield two.

Ridiculous when his skills are exactly what utd lack in midfield.

It's not Solksjaers fault though is it Shappy for not even trying him in his normal position? More the player's fault of course for not being suited to the Premier league (whatever that means? )

{Ed077's Note - Southampton away. He had a little knock on his ankle from that game but played the whole 90 I think. Wasnt too bad in that game. Matic and DvdB as a midfield pivot with Bruno in 10 if I remember correctly.


6.) 24 Mar 2021 09:43:59
You would have more success trying to convince me Donald Trump is an all round good guy than you would ole is a good manager.
Manc your wasting your time mate.


7.) 24 Mar 2021 10:25:34
Shappy

You say Donny is best suited to a “high pressing possession based style” but that is also “not suited to how we play”. Did our manager not said that high pressing possession is the style he wanted to play?

That makes it sound like the manager said a style to the board, Donny fitted the style, so the club bought him for the style outlined. However, we now find out the manager isn’t able to set up or can’t coach the style outlined so Donny is stuffed.


8.) 24 Mar 2021 10:30:00
Ed077, Fred and McTominay started in the 9-0 win against Southampton. If you remember Southampton went down to 10 men in the second minute, we were 4-0 up by half time which is when Donny came on at the start of the second half. We scored a couple of goals before Southampton were reduced to 9 men on 86 minutes. We then scored three goals in the final 15 minutes against 9 men who had played the majority of the game with 10 men and were clearly exhausted.

As for Donny, in that game for the 45 minutes he was on the pitch he touched the ball 17 times, attempting 16 passes with a 94% success rate. He made no key passes, he had no shots, he made no tackles, he made no interceptions, he made no blocks.

In a game that we dominated due to playing 10 men for the majority of the game and Donny had little to no impact either defensively or offensively.

I agree 7 starts is not enough to say whether he is a success or a failure. But in the 803 minutes he has played for us he 1 goal and no assists, he is averaging 2 defensive actions a game (around the same as Martial) .

So far he hasn't shown anything in any game to suggest he will kick on. The style of play we play is almost the exact opposite to what he played with Ajax. While the difference to quality of the league between the EPL and the Eredivisie is massive. Someone said he looks knackered after 60 minutes, does he have the stamina to cover the ground that is required in the EPL or with the style of play we use.

He clearly isn't creating or scoring enough goals or even having the chances to be a genuine option to Bruno with our current style of play. While he seems to lack the stamina and defensive qualities to play in the double pivot, while his passing over short distances is great, over longer distances it hasn't really been seen how good he is. Simply he has not played in a team that regularly play 40-50 yard passes from the midfield. So I'm struggling to see where he fits in. Maybe as an option on the RW against teams that will sit deep and make it hard for us to break them down. His skillset could work well in that situation.

I really want Donny to be a success, I said many times in the summer that I wanted him more than Grealish. If he flops its egg on my face. But so far he hasn't out performed or even shown the ability to out perform either Bruno at No.10, or even Fred and McTominay in the pivot.

I really hope this year is just a steep learning curve, that he increases his stamina and adapts to the EPL and our style of play. I'd love nothing more for him to have an "I told you so" season next year. But as yet I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that will happen.

{Ed077's Note - Read Shappy. READ.
Southampton away. The Cavani game. The 3-2 comeback win.

I don't think it's time for people to judge Donny either way. No matter what we think of him, he has played enough consistently to pass a final judgement. Just because he was good for Ajax doesn't mean he will be able to play to a similar level in England as well. But it also doesn't mean he can't play well if given a proper run.


9.) 24 Mar 2021 10:40:16
As it stands, I can't see Van De Beek getting much game time. He's obviously seen by the manager as a number 10 primarily and ultimately our best player plays there. If VDB is to play as one of the pivots, we need a quality defensive midfielder which we don't have.

Fred and Matic are woefully below the standard needed and McTominay is a good all round midfielder but doesn't excel in many areas at the moment.

Best case scenario for me is manager realises Van De Beek is more than capable of playing deeper, he replaces Pogba (who leaves) and we sign a quality defensive midfielder like Rice, Ndidi, Zakaria etc. They replace Fred as the primary defensive midfielder, allow Van De Beek to play as a number 8 who can get forward but also keep the ball and Bruno continues as the 10.


10.) 24 Mar 2021 11:48:33
Red Man, he did, and what we are seeing is certainly not that.

I'm also not sure how Bruno fits into a possession based team. His natural instinct is to play the high risk high reward passes. Every game he receives the ball on the edge of the opponent's box and there will be a safe pass out wide or further back, but Bruno will play the tricky trough ball, or a pass into space behind the defence for someone to run on to.

It's exciting and it's working. But it certainly isn't possession based.

Whereas Donny will play percentage football. He plays the sensible passes, the ones most likely to be received and not intercepted. If there isn't at least a 70% chance of the ball getting to it's intended target then he won't play the pass.

I'm not sure what went on between Ole and the board last summer. From what was said publicly it appears Grealish was the player the manager wanted along with Sancho. Seeing how this season has panned out I think it's fair to say we would almost definitely be in a title race right now if we got those two players.

As it is we got Donny and Cavani. Both good players no doubt. But one looks a poor fit for how we play while the other struggles to stay fit long enough to make a real impact. I think it's fair to say that this season Donny and Cavani have contributed very little and haven't enhanced the squad from last season in any sort of significant way.

Like I said originally, Donny's transfer has shades of the Veron transfer in that he is clearly a super talented player, but currently at least he either hasn't got to grips with the EPL or United's currently playing style. Which is pretty much what happened with Veron.

Do we blame the player? The manager? The scouting department?

In fairness all of them take a proportion of the blame.


11.) 24 Mar 2021 12:53:47
rohanarora8, unfortunately we might have to put up with Ole for quite some time to come I guess.

Adding quality in DM and CB should help free up one of the midfield positions which VDB could then benefit from but even in our current setup why not play VDB in place of Fred/ McTom? Just give him a run of games to build up his confidence and see what he could do.

The truth is we will never know how good he can be for us unless he plays consistently and has trust of the manager which doesn't seem to be the case right now.


12.) 24 Mar 2021 12:53:58
DVB needs a run of games. Veron got a run of games. Until then it is u fair to judge him.


13.) 24 Mar 2021 13:52:14
He'll be leaving on loan to a Spanish team no doubt for two seasons with us paying his wages in full.
There's clearly no spot for him at present. It's almost like he was picked up as a contingency plan to replace anyone who left at the end of this season, Pogba most likely. Matic and Mata (different type of player) could leave for their swan songs this season if not next, and whilst he had been improving considerably, Fred's last performance was a shocker. McT is a fantastic all-rounder. The Rice rumours won't go away even if Camavinga would be better value. But I can't see a major rebuild of the midfield any time soon, it will be another summer dominated by the usual Pogba story.


14.) 24 Mar 2021 13:54:30
Let's play, how many games are you prepared to see us potentially lose by giving Donny a run of games in the double pivot?

If he plays two games a there and we lose both would you suggest he gets a third, fourth and fifth game there so he can build up his form?

Or would you say he had a two bad games and it cost us 6 points, and we can't risk the next 9 points to give him a run.

All players need to earn the right to have a run in the team, they do that by putting in performances in training and as a sub or in occasional games that suggest they have what it takes to nail down the position if given a run of games.

Has Donny done enough to earn a run of games in the minutes he has played?


15.) 24 Mar 2021 15:39:55
Shappy, arguably he hasn't done enough to earn a run but he's also barely been played in the double pivot in a game of note. You also have to factor in how well his competition in that position has played.

Pogba - Unavailable for a large part of the season and by far his best performances have been when played higher up the pitch. For the last 5 years we've been discussing how to get the best out of him, great a few times a season is what we should expect.

McTominay - All round player and in my opinion the best option we have in the double pivot. He will rarely if ever influence a game the way Pogba can but will never play as badly as Pogba often does.

Fred - Liability when we have the ball as he can't control it consistently, can't pass accurately on a consistent basis and can't shoot at all. Only plays well in "big games against big teams" which is to say when we are happy to have 30% of possession against sides better than us and he can just run around harrying the opposition. Fred is the worst footballer of the midfielders but he can run all day so gets picked. That says a lot about how the manager sets the side up, trusts athleticism over actual footballing ability.

Matic - Looks like his best days are well behind him, already slow and getting slower. Still tidy enough with the ball but his lack of athleticism in front of an already slow centre back pairing hurts us.

Subsequently, you have to ask has Van De Beek been considerably worse than the players above? People also seem to believe we'd be much more open defensively if Van De Beek played ahead of Fred for example. While he's not as defensively minded, maybe we would have more ability to keep the ball and in turn would not be defending as often?

{Ed077's Note - Its a Catch-22 situation with Donny now. You have to play consistently to impress and earn a place but you have to earn a place to play consistently.}


16.) 24 Mar 2021 16:33:41
Shappy, all if's and but's again. You are willing to already put him down without giving a proper chance?

The thing is he is not some academy graduate trying to impress and get minutes in the first team. He has already shown what he can do in Ajax's first team and is highly regarded by many.

It is most logical when you have a skillful player like VDB coming into the team to be given more opportunities to see what he is capable of. I see the big reason he doesn't play much is because Ole is too scared to make a change as both Fred/ McTom give him more protection.

"All players need to earn the right to have a run in the team" so what do you think of Maguire, Lindelof, Martial given opportunities all the time irrespective of their bad performances?


17.) 24 Mar 2021 16:53:18
Relax he will be arguing the opposite in a couple of weeks.


18.) 24 Mar 2021 17:09:39
I'm beginning to suspect that Shappy might actually be playing a part to be on the wind up but I will continue anyway.

Thing is Utd paid £40 million for dvb. Surely that alone warrants him some games in his best position to show what he can do and build his confidence.

Another alternative to putting him in a double pivot is Utd play 433 with DVB alongside Bruno and McT or a new DM behind them.

I think a massive problem is that the team aren't coached to get the best of dvb. Even when he is in space in good positions or makes a good run, he doesn't receive the pass.

So it's not just the manager who doesn't know what to do with him it's his team mates as well which is down to the manager anyway.

Unless the other players don't pass to him because they think he is crap.


19.) 24 Mar 2021 18:51:46
Let's play, should the team be picked on reputation or on performance?

How much stock goes into the reputation built up in a much weaker league.

The Eredivisie is probably weaker than the Championship in all fairness. Would you take a player from the Championship who has played very well and say they must be a starter for United?

I don't think he should be thrown on the scrap heap, but neither can you give him a run of games in important games that his performances aren't deserving of.

Now I said earlier in the season that I'd play squad players and kids in all the cups and just see where that goes so we could focus on the league. Personally I feel if we had done that we might be much closer to City in this odd season.

If we did that then he would have had a start in all the cup games to have a chance to prove himself/ adapt.

We should remember that Fred was a 50m signing from a weaker European league and it took him over a season to settle. He needed to adapt to the pace and power of the league. Maybe Donny needs to do that. Either way on what he has shown this season he wouldn't make a positive difference to the side if he was starting.


20.) 24 Mar 2021 18:53:17
MancMan picking players based on their transfer fee is a dangerous tactic.

Surely if when given a chance you need to take it. Donny got one against Leicester, do you think based on that performance he deserves to start the next game?


21.) 24 Mar 2021 19:26:47
Based on Leicester's game nobody deserves to start the next game. It was nothing but rubbish.
If Vardy took his chances, the score line would have been even more humiliating.


22.) 24 Mar 2021 23:27:25
Shappy, I want to see him get some games in his proper position with the team coached and set up harmoniously.

I'm not saying uts should build a team around him but it's no good if dvb is trying to play football one way and others in the team are trying to do something different.


23.) 25 Mar 2021 10:33:30
MancMan, What is Donny's "proper position", lots of talk about him playing in the pivot, yet during his time at Ajax he probably played in a double pivot maybe a dozen times. He has always played his best football closer to the oppositions goal, either as a No.10 or as a free 8 in either a 4123 or a 4231.

He was great as a No.10, very good as a free 8 and decent if played in the double pivot, clearly getting less impactful the further he was from goal.

When Dennis Bergkamp spotted him in the Ajax academy he saw shades of himself in Donny, or at least that is what he supposedly said to De Boer at the time.

This idea that Donny would be best suited to playing in the double pivot just isn't true. That has never been his best position, even playing in a much slower paced Eredivisie against much weaker teams than most EPL sides he was fairly average in that deeper role.


 

 

22 Mar 2021 04:02:32
Ole's player management skills is on another level I have to say.

In a hectic schedule with a lot of matches to play he keeps playing his key players without any rest even in ties which are already done and dusted. However in an important match with international break round the corner he rests his key ones.

I am wondering what's the logic behind that. Anyone?

LetsPlay!United

1.) 22 Mar 2021 06:45:51
No point trying to understand, analyze or study anything Ole says because it's just a bunch of codswallop. The acceptance of this mediocrity is sickening. City is on a quest of eclipsing our greatest ever achievement. The coveted treble which we so boldly gloat about and throw in the faces of rival clubs. If City achieving the quadruple doesn't make this board/ owners get their act together, then nothing will. Pretty soon we will be the ones referred to as the "NOISY NEIGHBOURS".


2.) 22 Mar 2021 07:22:00
More like "SNORING NEIGHBOURS". Oleball is how quickly can we put our fans to sleep.


3.) 22 Mar 2021 08:49:54
Ole's Squad management is poor.
Feel sorry for Rashy. Overplayed, burnt out and injured again.


4.) 22 Mar 2021 12:32:46
TrueRedDevil, true that and can also include a couple more players who have been overplayed.

You can understand certain players like Rashford/ Bruno among others wanting to play all the time but that's where the manager has to step in and manage his players efficiently. Unfortunately Ole probably does know that but is too reluctant to rest them and most importantly trust the others in his squad.


 

 

17 Mar 2021 05:16:03
How many of you are confident about our chances to go through to the next stage in the Europa league?

Usually we have been doing well in away games and hopefully that does continue and we come away with a great result.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 17 Mar 2021 08:08:48
depends which united turn up. will it the boring negative 7 at the back

or will we show some balls and try and win the game. the fact we need to score might decide which united turn up but i am not confident on going threw.


2.) 17 Mar 2021 10:08:04
Not confident I have to say, Milan were a lot better than I thought and they will have some players back also.


3.) 17 Mar 2021 10:27:39
Often United play best when they have their backs to the wall. But let's not kid ourselves AC Milan are currently a much better side than us. It will be tough to get the result, and if we are honest AC Milan probably deserved the win last week.


4.) 17 Mar 2021 13:52:53
AC milan are better than us?
I hardly see just 2 players from their team making into ours.

In the last tie, Milan deserved the win as they played as a well coached team even with injuries.
Our performance was rubbish and were lucky to get away with a point.


5.) 17 Mar 2021 14:29:40
TRD, I think you might have a little bias there if you think that is true.

Donnarumma is at least as good as out keepers currently.

Kjear and Romagnoli are a better CB partnership than Lindelof and Maguire.

Theo Hernandez has been one of the top performing LB's in Europe over the past 18 months, on Shaw's current form it would be close.

Calabria has been chased by Bayern Munich, he might not be as good 1v1 as AWB, but he is much better going forward, and currently more tactically flexible.

Kessie and Tonali in the pivot are better players and offer much more than Fred and McTominay.

Ibrahimovic is still a better player than Martial.

I'd admit Bruno and Rashford are miles better than Calhanoglu and Rebic.

While I'd find it hard to make an argument that our RW (whichever you choose) is better than any of AC Milan's options based solely on the basis that we don't actually have a special-ist RW, only players playing out of position. So while Saelemaekers isn't a player I'd want us to sign, surely based on the fact that RW is his special-ist position he will play that role better than anyone we crowbar into that role.

So I make that both CB's, both CM's, Zlatan and Saelemaekers as better options than ours. With the GK and the full back positions either on par or a shade better.

Bruno and Rashford are the only ones I could say nailed on are better than anyone at AC Milan, the others are arguable.


6.) 17 Mar 2021 15:25:35
I think that we will win on Thursday. the first game AC Milan at there best and we were absolute toilet.
I can see us getting a few tomorrow.


 

 

16 Mar 2021 05:38:13
Has Ole really made any progress in terms of improving players? Fred and Shaw are the only ones that have improved and the others have either regressed or haven't improved at all. Are we just going to sign more players to improve the squad rather than improving the players and making the squad better?

I do worry for our young talented academy players making their way into the first team with our current coaching setup and Ole as manager. It is really essential for these young ones to get the right coaching to fully fulfill their potential.

We are probably risking not only the future of these young gems but also the future of our club as a whole if we are going to persist with Ole and the current coaching setup.

LetsPlay!United

1.) 16 Mar 2021 06:15:20
Talking ill about Ole in here is blasphemous and is punishable by Mancunian law. There are no coaches out there who can improve this crop of players or take this club forward apart from Ole and if he fails to deliver we blame the board and the owners because Ole can do no wrong. He's "THE CHOSEN ONE"! 🤭🤭.


2.) 16 Mar 2021 07:36:47
Love_United, unfortunate but true. Some people have different view of things and are seeing something which others can't and it looks less likely that things are going to change anytime soon.


3.) 16 Mar 2021 08:01:21
You lot are just sounding bitter .
You would think we where sat mid table.


4.) 16 Mar 2021 08:07:51
rashford and martial had there most prolific seasons last season, mctominay is having his best season at united this season

greenwood last season was banging in the goals.



its clear ole is not the manager to take us further but he has done what he was brought in to do.


now the only question is can he get a trophy.


5.) 16 Mar 2021 08:17:47
Has Rashfords finishing been improved?

Has Tuanzebe developed as a defender?

Has Greenwood progressed from last season?

Has AWB improved going forward, or in his positional sense?

Has Martial improved? After all he was the one heralded by Ole as Lukaku’s replacement.

Has DVB been developed?


6.) 16 Mar 2021 08:21:43
It’s not true. Many on here including myself are vocal about Ole not being good enough.

It’s a legitimate concern to say our youngsters are at risk.

1. Ole plays the same team all the time and on numerous occasions has not used all his subs as he’d rather have a tired favourite on the pitch, preferred to a fresh squad player or youngster. This will come back to bite him eventually.
2. It’s well documented that youngsters have looked to leave as there’s no progression plan to the first team. There are glimpses that’s changing, but time will tell.

A handful on here will argue against the above facts through blind defence of Ole, but they never provide any valid counter argument other than a load of ifs, buts and maybes.


7.) 16 Mar 2021 09:04:07
Wazza they aren't facts
1. Ole has not used his subs on numerous times .
Going on then how many times this season have we not made a sub?
How many times have we made a sub?
How does that compare to other teams? .
2. There is no progressing plan to the first team?
We finished the the real soc game with half the team ex academy players .
Greenwood, rash and mctom are mainstays of the first 11 .
Henderson is breaking into the team

We won at the weekend so I guess people can't really complain about that.
In your own words answer the question with FACTS 😉.


8.) 16 Mar 2021 09:16:17
Redman
Rashford has improved as a player 100% he continues to improve and develop . He is a big player for us and at only 23 years old is one of the best about .
Tuanzabe looks decent young for a centre back is he good enough for the top level, time will tell.
Greenwood, what a talent this boy is still only 19. Lot to still learn but what a talent this boy is going to be .
Awb, I think he is improving will he ever be great attacking fb, i'm not sure . But he is a good player doing well.
Martial had his best ever season last year, poor this season.

Have we improved as a team? 3rd last season 2nd this season the table never lies .
6th under moyes
4th and 5th under lvg
6th 2nd and 10th jose .

We are sat second in the league, a lot better than a few expected and still they look for negatives .
Maybe things aren't as bad as some like to make out .


9.) 16 Mar 2021 09:17:55
Red Man - Has DVB developed. lol is that a serious question?

AWB has improved going forward since he was bought.

Like Bolger said Martial had his most prolific season last year, is that not classed as improving? I don't believe Martial is the answer and i would get rid if we have somebody coming in to replace him.

Greenwood has had loads of personal issues off the pitch this year along with injuries, for god sake the lad is only 19 years old. There has been glimpses over the last few games that his confidence is returning and he's looking a bit more like himself.

Tuanzebe has never had the chance to develop because he's been constantly injured over the last 2-3 seasons.

I can't even believe your asking if Rashford has improved, his all round game has gone to another level. Both Rashford and Bruno are the two best players at United now and we rely massively on both of them for goals and assists.


10.) 16 Mar 2021 09:33:09
Sim I woukd add shaw to rash and bruno.


11.) 16 Mar 2021 09:50:18
jred, I think our fans are worried where Ole is taking us to.
Nobody can deny that Ole has steadied the ship, and did a cultural reboot.
Our work rate has improved considerably when compared to Jose/ LVG era.

However, Ole can answer it by winning a cup or two by end of this season.
The main thing that irks me is the boring football week in week out. Even after almost 2 and a half years in charge, the coaches have not instilled a philosophy or distinct play style. We play like 11 strangers on the pitch even with quality players.


12.) 16 Mar 2021 10:05:39
Jred but they are facts.

How many times have most people commented on here about:
Late substitutions
Not using all 3 substitutions despite campaigning for 5 substitutes
Making 0 (ZERO) substitutes against West Ham
Always leaving Bruno and Rashford on the pitch when games are won
Playing his favourites constantly

Then on to the youth, there's been several young players wanting to leave the club because they don't have a road map.
Our own Ed002 has commented on this a few times.

I might sound like Rafa but there is no arguing with the above. These are things that ACTUALLY happened. You're blind to them and will have nothing said against Ole. On that basis you're just as bad as those at the opposite end of the extreme who refuse to see any good in Ole.


13.) 16 Mar 2021 10:34:16
TrueRedDevil, The problem is though that some people have already made up their minds and there is literally nothing Ole could do at this stage for them to change their minds. They have drawn a line in the sand and shouted too loudly to ever stand their and say they were wrong now.

We saw this last season, people said a top four finish was the minimum and most thought it wasn't possible, Ole finished 3rd and still got slated for it.

This year we might finish second and even if we win a cup, Ole would still be slated by those who have made their mind up.

They'll point to style of play, or lack of player development, or something Ole said in a press conference, or something someone said about Ole 10 years ago in the press.

If Ole wins the treble with us next season playing great football (not that I think he will) then they will still find something to moan about. They'll say he was lucky, other teams played poorly against us, maybe that he's peaked and that we'll need to replace him.

I want to see us win as much as possible, but I don't kid myself thinking it'll change anyone's mind, they are too entrenched in their position to back out now.


14.) 16 Mar 2021 10:40:39
I think that there is a lot in the discussion which is true. It is hard for Ole to integrate the new young players into the team. He has to have a ba backbone that he can rely on until the end of the season.
My main criticism if any is the cast offs are still fringe players because until their contracts come to an end he can't get rd of them. e. g. Mata, Lingard, Jones, Dalot etc. Something wrong with the contracts maybe not necessarily the coaching.


15.) 16 Mar 2021 10:51:11
Wazza
No there not facts
Because people comment on them? Are you joking.

We had the youngest squad in the epl last season, fielded the youngest 11 in the epl last year .

Playing his favourites constantly? You mean playing his best players .


16.) 16 Mar 2021 10:52:36
Shappy very true.


17.) 16 Mar 2021 11:33:17
Ole can show improvement by winning one of the cups on offer. We know Jred and Shappy are what is known on social media as Olesexuals, if we are allowed to say that. Therefore no objectivity is allowed, no discussion, only positive thoughts about Ole.

However, on this discussion, if you just take Rashford, his finishing nor heading has improved, has his left loot improved?

Ole was a striker, but are we seeing a step change in Rashfords technique which you would or should expect being coached by a former striker, now coach being paid millions?

This is not a criticism of Rashford at all, has talent, gives his all and I don’t believe I have ever criticised him. But in line with the OP, it’s open for discussion.


18.) 16 Mar 2021 11:34:13
So are we to believe that Ole hasn't improved any of the players, yet has the team performing better in the league (more points, more goals scored, higher position etc) .

So if the players aren't any better than it must be that his tactics are getting more out of the players. Aha, Ole's a tactical genius.

The reality is we are performing better, either that is because of the managers tactics or because the players themselves have improved.

This is the problem when you decide on a position and refuse to see things from a balanced point of view, you end up arguing black is white.

So which is it?

Is Ole's tactics getting more out of the players, or has Ole improved the players?


19.) 16 Mar 2021 11:43:39
Reman
You don't have any discussion. Your sole focus is ole.
Rashford is 23 and is a fantastic player. And your trying to use him as an example of how ole is a poor coach 🤦‍♂️.
Do you even realise what goes into and how many individuals are actually responsible for coaching a player at the top level .

But again rash is a fantastic player, doing very well, still only 23 and 1 of our best players .
I would say he is developing very well.
and your trying to use him as a negative example. The positives in his development and his ability far outway the negative.


20.) 16 Mar 2021 11:47:09
jred, facts don't need comments to justify them. It's all in the open for everyone to see.

Talking about the youngest squad and all, how many players did Ole introduce into the first team from the academy who are playing regularly? Remember Williams? Tuanzebe doesn't get enough game time even though his fitness has improved and after his showing against PSG Ole should really be blind to not give him more opportunities.

Ole's favourites doesn't necessarily imply best ones - think Maguire/ Lindelof/ Fred/ Martial. Giving opportunities to players who are either out of form or are prone to mistakes constantly is a sign of weakness and favoritism.


21.) 16 Mar 2021 11:59:59
Let's play
"jred, facts don't need comments to justify them. It's all in the open for everyone to see. "

That's your opinion not a fact .
For an example it's your opinion that maguire isn't our best cb .


22.) 16 Mar 2021 12:16:46
Loving team development. Enjoy watching utd again after many years of rubbish. Going in the right direction and not too far away from challenging.

How many players have Chelsea bought for the 10 / wide forward position? But Mount is their best player fantastic for them every week. Mctom, Rash and Greenwood are fantastic for us.

Maybe youth will be the path to the rise to the top again. We have many good young players coming through, and have been investing there for a while.

Enjoy the rollercoaster, consistency is the final stage of success.

{Ed077's Note - sarcasm?}


23.) 16 Mar 2021 12:19:34
shappy, "we are performing better" - in what context? In fact we only perform when a few of our key players do well in the game especially Bruno. And believe this, without Bruno Ole wouldn't have survived this long.

The only Ole tactic I know is counter attack and we have got found out when teams just sit back and let us have the ball. If there is any other tactic that Ole has used then please enlighten me.

Team goals, points and position in the table cannot be a indicator or a measure of individual player's improvement. The player's performances on the pitch is the only thing that will show improvements if any. And except for Shaw/ Fred I don't see much improvement from others at all.


24.) 16 Mar 2021 12:34:55
Jred, you said Jose had us in 10th place when he was sacked. That is a lie. He had us 6th place after 17 games. Funnily enough Ole managed to build on that position and also finish 6th. Amazing manager.


25.) 16 Mar 2021 12:43:58
Olesexual redman? Forget Mc/ Fred more like Mc/ Freud!


26.) 16 Mar 2021 12:48:08
Mumbles it's not a lie it was a mistake .
The fact the only thing you picked up on in the above was jise says a lot.
Bit of a childish post imo . but each to their own.


27.) 16 Mar 2021 12:49:13
jred, you can just put down facts as just other's opinions and brush them away but the truth is out there if you are willing to see.

And with Ole,

Everything good is a fact
Everything bad is a opinion or just a myth

I get it.


28.) 16 Mar 2021 13:02:04
Let's play
"You can just put down facts as just other's opinions and brush them away but the truth is out there if you are willing to see"

Again your getting facts and opinion mixed up .
You don't think maguire is our best cb and tuanzabe is . That's not a fact its your opinion.


29.) 16 Mar 2021 13:09:58
Mumbles I stand corrected this is for you pal👍
Rashford has improved as a player 100% he continues to improve and develop . He is a big player for us and at only 23 years old is one of the best about .
Tuanzabe looks decent young for a centre back is he good enough for the top level, time will tell.
Greenwood, what a talent this boy is still only 19. Lot to still learn but what a talent this boy is going to be .
Awb, I think he is improving will he ever be great attacking fb, i'm not sure . But he is a good player doing well.
Martial had his best ever season last year, poor this season.

Have we improved as a team? 3rd last season 2nd this season the table never lies .
6th under moyes
4th and 5th under lvg
6th 2nd and 6th jose .

We are sat second in the league, a lot better than a few expected and still they look for negatives .
Maybe things aren't as bad as some like to make out .

{Ed077's Note - and now this is a bit childish as well jred. :)}


30.) 16 Mar 2021 13:16:45
spot on sim.

regardless of ole and his manager skill set, more players have improved that haven't that is a fact.


31.) 16 Mar 2021 13:37:31
Ed77 yer it is a bit .
But also I will hold my hands up when I'm wrong.


32.) 16 Mar 2021 13:51:38
Jred it seems you are the one getting mixed up here.

The minute a player is substituted is recorded and it's there for all to see as a fact.

It isn't just my opinion that zero substitutes were made against West Ham nor is it only my opinion that Ole mostly makes substitutions very late in the game. It is a fact. It's in blank and white. Take a look for yourself.

The very 'fact' that you are arguing against this makes any kind of discussion with you impossible.

You would argue the sky is yellow if Ole said so too.


33.) 16 Mar 2021 14:20:13
Wazza
You said it was a fact

1.ole plays the same team all the time and on numerous occasions has not used all his subs as he’d rather have a tired favourite on the pitch, preferred to a fresh squad player or youngster. This will come back to bite him eventually.
2. It’s well documented that youngsters have looked to leave as there’s no progression plan to the first team. There are glimpses that’s changing, but time will tell.

1. Really same team all the time? No changes
Do other teams play there strongest teams and best players more often than not?
He doesn't use subs? Really that's a fact. of course he uses subs
This will come back to bite him? Really that's a fact?

It's well documented that there is no progressing plan? Really I've only read that on here .
Looking at the amount of young players in our team, academe players in the team etc etc,
It's a fact that there is no progressing plan for young players at man united?

Do all other managers use all there subs every game?
Do most managers play their best players?
Is it a fact that ole would rather have a tired player than a youngster? Its not maybe a tired bruno is better than a academe player etc etc .

We needed 3 points against West ham, we got them what's your issue?


34.) 16 Mar 2021 14:52:10
jred, no issues at all.

Let's overplay Bruno/ Rashford not a real issue when Carrick/ Ole are on the bench. Carrick/ Ole can be player cum coach/ manager.


35.) 16 Mar 2021 15:02:51
Let's play
Your best players play most games.

At what point are we overplaying bruno?


36.) 16 Mar 2021 15:02:51
Let's play
Your best players play most games.

At what point are we overplaying bruno?


37.) 16 Mar 2021 15:22:58
Jred we aren't talking about other managers, we are talking about Ole.

No subs made against West Ham (fact)
When he does make subs they are often late into the game (fact)
He overplays Bruno and Rashford (opinion, yet a widely shared one)

Get down off your high horse would you.


38.) 16 Mar 2021 15:42:02
Wazza
He does make subs .

Against West ham we are a goal up, West ham have made more attacking changes they are having a go .
3 points takes us back into 2nd and opens up a gap on chelsea etc.
We don't have a strong bench but our back 4 are playing well .
Which one of them should he of subbed and why?
In cm Fred and mctom are doing well would you of subbed them? Who for and why .
West ham are now leaving gaps its a good situation for rash James and greenwood . Plus James and rash in particular can be trusted to see the game out defensively . Which woukd you of subbed and why .

We won and got the points, why was it a mistake not to make a sub?


39.) 16 Mar 2021 15:46:38
Wazza as for high horse pal you said in your first post which started this convo

"A handful on here will argue against the above facts through blind defence of Ole, but they never provide any valid counter argument other than a load of ifs, buts and maybes"

Thst rubbish imo
Facts?
Blind defence?
No valid counter arguments?
Have a word, your opinion is exactly that. Your opinion.
Let's leave it at that tho, no need for things to start to get personal 🤝.


40.) 16 Mar 2021 17:07:55
Jred, which of the back 4 would I have subbed? None. Defenders are rarely subbed.
Out of Fred and McTominay, probably none but maybe Fred for Matic as the latter has a calmer presence which would've helped in the last 15.
Forwards, definitely Rashford. He looks knackered, dead on his feet and is in desperate need of a rest. Everyone can see that, it seems, apart from you.

Hope that helps you see what was available and how it could've helped us.

Beyond that you may have taken off James and sat Williams further back or maybe given one of the younger lads a rest.

But the fact remains Ole made no subs and when he does make subs they are often very late.


41.) 16 Mar 2021 17:46:55
Wazza the fact is ole made no subs and we won .

I would of kept rash on defensively he won't let you down and more importantly he didn't and we won .

You would of changed James for williams? He pace was killing them and stopping them from pushing on .
Can you imagine if ole had taken an attacker of for a defender .

Can you remember the stick we got on here when ole brought tuenz on and he give a free kick away against Everton.

Or the stick he got when he made 3 subs against Milan and they scored late on .

How would your subs of altered the result?


42.) 16 Mar 2021 18:05:14
Jred, finally you accept it. Ole made no subs.

Nobody, not me, nor anyone else, is arguing that we won or lost.

Ole makes late subs. You can accept that, right? Some players need a rest, you can accept that too, right?

I wouldn't usually get all Shappy on someone but I went to the lengths to put this together for you. I hope you like it.

Opponent (since turn of the year), 1st substitution time:
West Ham, N/ A
City, '73
Palace, '74
Chelsea, '79
Newcastle, '70
West Brom, '66
West Ham, '73
Everton, '93
Southampton, '45 (we were 4-0 at half time)
Arsenal, '80
Sheff Utd, '66
Liverpool, '66
Fulham, '85
Liverpool, '61
Burnley, '80
Watford, '69
City, '75
Villa, '65

Average time for 1st sub by Ole is 71 minutes.
Average time for 1st sub in the Premier League is 59 minutes.


43.) 16 Mar 2021 18:23:20
Wazza I think we should of left it as I said before but your determined to carry on .

What you said was

1.ole plays the same team all the time and on numerous occasions has not used all his subs as he’d rather have a tired favourite on the pitch, preferred to a fresh squad player or youngster.
Simple question .1. Your saying its a fact ole plays the Same team all the time?
2. And that's because he would rather have a tired player on the pitch?
No other reason 😂😂

This will come back to bite him eventually.
It's a fact it will come back to bite him?

As you have pointed out ole makes subs. What's your point are you trying to say we woukd have more points if he made subs earlier.
Is that a fact?
Or just or opinion , what ifs and maybes as you put it.

We won against West ham would we of definitely won if we had made a sub?
Are you saying it was the wrong thing to do? Even tho we won
For example we made 3 subs against Milan and everyone complained . same against Everton.


44.) 17 Mar 2021 01:37:45
jred, you are the one mixing up facts and opinions now.

I would love you to come up with a break down of this season game by game - would be a interesting read for sure.


45.) 17 Mar 2021 01:45:49
Shappy, everyone I suppose have acknowledged the good things that Ole has done but it is pretty evident he is limited and the job is beyond him.

It's not just a matter of now and where we are in the table or how players performed last season, you have to look at the bigger picture and question:

1. Do we really look convincing with our style of play to hurt the opposition?
2. How many games have we really dominated and taken the game to the opposition?
3. We are very one dimensional and there doesn't seem to be any tactics to break down opposition when they just sit back.
4. Are we playing as a unit as it seems we are reliant on individual performances all the time. There doesn't seem to be any sort of organization across the pitch.
5. Players doing well last season why are they so poor now? Is Ole and his staff incapable of inspiring players to do their best?
6. Even if we are going to add more quality to the squad you still need a plan to bring them altogether and play as a unit. Has Ole shown anything to suggest he would be capable of doing that?
7. Our academy seems to be flourishing with some young talented skillful players with a few who could soon be knocking the doors to the first team. Do people have any confidence in Ole and his coaching staff to help these young ones improve and stake a claim in the first team or will it all be down to individual brilliance of the player involved.

There are a lot of things wrong with Ole at the helm and one thing he has constantly reminded everyone is that he is not brave enough to take on teams even when they are struggling and yet he approaches the game so cautiously. It is a sign of a weak manager.


 

 

 

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17 Mar 2021 12:07:09
Thanks Ed002 but do you rate VDB?

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17 Mar 2021 01:56:28
Love_United, I reckon Ed002 would love to be in Ole's position rather than be Ole.

Ed002, has anything changed with respect to VDB as there are rumours of him wanting out.

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16 Mar 2021 05:49:41
Well Eric79, would Ole really trust the likes of VDB/ Matic/ Hannibal/ Garner? It is pretty evident from his over reliance on Fred/ McTom/ Bruno that Ole probably doesn't trust the others much apart from maybe Pogba.

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05 Mar 2021 03:10:23
Eric79 you can't talk sense. The board is unlikely to make any drastic changes anytime soon.

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04 Mar 2021 06:15:41
Tukorish you know the answer I guess. Finishing top 4 is the priority and anything else is just bonus. We could see a few incomings but probably depends on where we finish and hopefully a lot of outgoings to free up some space.

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22 Apr 2021 10:15:24
I hope it doesn't get to the point that fans have to get involved on a larger scale and that somehow the people who came up with the idea see sense and respect the footballing traditions and emotions of others involved in the game.

Ed001, thanks for your valuable opinions. Appreciate that.

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Brendan81, tbh I really don't believe that is the case. Woodward and Glazers go hand in hand and being business people they would have seen ESL as a great opportunity to make more money. Unfortunately it didn't work out and it seems Woodward is made the scapegoat and his resignation is an attempt to save face by the Glazers.

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22 Apr 2021 10:04:33
DodgyBanter,

The club deserves a lot of stick for sure but not the playing or coaching staff. Docking points is not the answer I feel. I would rather have the PL fine these big clubs and use that money to improve the standards of the domestic leagues.

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22 Apr 2021 09:55:08
ESL as the only competition would be a disaster. Undermining domestic competitions would be a curse to football as a whole I feel.

Ed001, do you think that if footballing fans come together globally and oppose this, will that have a big impact to make these people drop the idea completely?

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Ed001, so it's not the end of this which is even more concerning. Probably they need to realize that too much of anything is poison. Where do you see this going in the end?

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