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10 Oct 2020 15:00:50
The young Swansea CB Joe Rodon may be heading to Spurs seemingly but I'm conscious he was noted by the Eds as a player we've looked at previously. Is a move to Tottenham a done deal or someone United could yet look to before the 16Oct deadline?

{Ed002's Note - I had said there was no interest.}

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10 Oct 2020 16:47:00
Thanks Ed002. Hope you're having a good weekend.

{Ed002's Note - A very busy weekend. But thanks.}

10 Oct 2020 07:24:45
Hi Eds can I ask if United are still looking at Sarr or Brooks while the domestic window is still open, or will that be it for this summer?

{Ed002's Note - I would think it unlikely.}

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10 Oct 2020 12:12:17
Thanks for the quick reply Ed, have a good weekend.

{Ed002's Note - And you.}

10 Oct 2020 13:55:36
Where would they play or even play? We have signed two wingers. With Cavani, martial and Rashford can play on the wings aswell.

ED002, I take Ighalo will leave and go back to China in January?

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any other option at this tiem - he could be offered to MU at a vey low price.}

10 Oct 2020 19:07:07
Which wingers MH? Are you talking about the kiddies who have signed for the U23s?

12 Oct 2020 09:14:16
Wazza,

Yea I am. At the end of the day those youngsters will be out future, well hopefully. Sarr is if a similar age to those youngsters.

07 Oct 2020 17:41:33
So according to Fabrizio Romano United intended to sell Pogba to Juventus and bring in Sancho as the big name player to replace him. That would fit with the club signing DvdB who is more of a Pogba replacement.

However, Juventus couldn't raise the funds and as such never followed through with their interest.

Which may have had a bearing on the Sancho deal.

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07 Oct 2020 18:28:32
That makes so much sense - gutted we couldn’t get it done. At least it’s reassuring knowing pogba was intendeded to be sold.

07 Oct 2020 18:41:25
From January he's free to sign a pre nup with any foreign team. The chance to sell him was this summer. Would be mad if Juventus signed him on a free 2and time.

07 Oct 2020 19:35:19
Think United can trigger an extra year I am sure Ed002 may have mentioned it but I could be wrong.

07 Oct 2020 19:42:03
Should have gone last summer. Hopefully we don’t give him another deal just so that we don’t lose him for free.

07 Oct 2020 20:09:45
Didnt Juve spend over €100million on two midfielders, Artur and Kulusevski in the last window. Sounds like the cash was there if they really wanted Pogba.

{Ed002's Note - No, Arthur was offset by Pjanic. Kulusevski was purchased prior to the pandemic.}

07 Oct 2020 20:15:11
surley the juve staff could have a whip round for 20 quid.

07 Oct 2020 20:21:54
Would triggering the extra year with the intention of selling him be classed as profiteering as Ed002 has mentioned before? I don't understand and try to stay clear of the complicated stuff maybe someone could educate me.

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are not allowed to profiteer. They can extend contracts and strike a deal.}

07 Oct 2020 20:30:08
Thanks Ed, is Fabrizio is basically correct?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what he has said but if he told you this he does not understand the situation with these players.}

07 Oct 2020 20:34:06
That does make sense. But be careful guys, doesn't that suggest our board and manager are not as stupid or inept as they are painted in the media?

Planning for the future and repairing bad decisions? Whatever next, if we aren't careful we might just see plans to source the worlds beat prospects, loan out our talent and not lose them at the end of their deals, reintegrate the ones who shine, and get the ones who don't off our books for a nice little earner we can put into prooer investment in the stadium surrlunding infrastructure, scouting, player acquisitions and uograded training facilities.

Increasing the value of the asset? Having a plan staribg us inbthe fce but we are so busy whining we havebt won the keague we dobt notice?

What a ridiculous thought.

I wish the manager would come out and say whether he believes we should expect to win the league this year, or for the Board to say in advance of the transfer window what we should expect given there is a C.V. so we could show some faith rather than negativity and let the media turn us toxic again! OH, wait a minute.

07 Oct 2020 20:45:22
I really don't understand the profiteering thing.

I assume it means that the club can't extend the contract by the additional year just so they can sell the player and make a profit.

But if we did extend it and an offer came it, I assume we could still accept it.

Ed02, can you explain the concept in a bit more detail or perhaps point to another source worth reading?

{Ed002's Note - The concept is that you cannot extend to make money but if the player is sold the profit, or a negotiated profit, would go to him.}

07 Oct 2020 23:48:31
Surely nobody is going to pay £89m for Pogba?

08 Oct 2020 08:13:27
My understanding of profiteering is that if you have a player like Pogba say, who has a year left on his contract but the club has an option to activate for a further year. Now in theory Pogba could leave for free next summer and receive a large signing on bonus as he is moving on a Bosman. However, if the club activate his year extension only to sell him and make some money thus negating the signing on fee Pogba would receive that is considered profiteering.

Only activating the contract extension to make a profit.

With Pogba United only have three options left.

1. Let him leave for free next summer.

2. Offer him a new deal, either with the intention of him staying here long term or with an agreement to sell him for a fixed fee.

3. activate the one year extension and keep an unhappy player for a further year before losing them on a free.

Ideally the best option for the club now would be to give him an extension and agree to sell him for a set price. He would need to be compensated for that, probably with very high wages, or an agreement that he receives a larger percentage of the transfer fee.

08 Oct 2020 09:32:55
Don't know if this kind of post is kosher but maybe this is worth a read for those of us who have a genuine interest in how things work.


Transfers report

08 Oct 2020 11:35:21
Juventus probably ran a mile after seeing his pathetic performances over the last 2 season. I wouldn't pay a million for him, he is sh*t!

08 Oct 2020 12:15:21
Sim, the sad thing is he isn't. He just isn't suited to being the player you build your team around.

Pogba is better suited to being the luxury player you add to an already great team, the player who can add a touch of magic and win those tight games. But he will make mistakes and be defensively lax.

If he goes to Juventus he will be a success there.

08 Oct 2020 14:03:25
Shappy he is rubbish. nothing you can tell me will change my mind so stop wasting your time. He's been absolute garbage for 2-3 seasons now. Get a grip!

08 Oct 2020 14:33:28
This is odd considering Romano spent the whole summer insisting Pogba was happy at United and contract talks would begin after the window closes.

08 Oct 2020 15:28:15
Romano is full of crap. gets the odd bit tight but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
He makes a fortune through social media. fair play to him he is a bigger con merchant that ole.

08 Oct 2020 16:27:46
ken, I strongly disagree.
FR is one of the very best and reliable.
Each and every one of his update this transfer window has been absolutely spot on.

08 Oct 2020 16:23:15
Sim, no player has scored and assisted more goals than Pogba since he joined the club. If he is rubbish then every other member of the squad is more rubbish than him.

If you were to say he doesn't live up to the hype, or that there are clear faults in his game then fair enough. If you want to question whether the club should be holding on to player who doesn't want to be here, or a player who played an active role in getting a manager sacked then celebrated it. Then I'm with you 100%.

But to say he isn't a talented footballer, despite all his managers, coaches, pundits and fellow players all appreciating his ability. Just makes you seem like you know very little about football.

Pogba hasn't lived up to the hype, and he isn't interested in being here and the time for the club to cut their losses has long since past. But the guy has more natural talent in his left leg than pretty much everyone else in our squad.

Pogba is a very good player, potentially great. We as a club just haven't been able to give him the platform he needs to get the best out of him. That's partially his fault for not working hard enough on eliminating the weaknesses in his game, that's partially the managers fault for not getting the best out of him and that's partially the club's fault for not creating a team in which he can thrive.

08 Oct 2020 18:18:45
Snappy I think it’s fair to say that Pogba was decent. But for the past 18 months to two years he’s been a terrible footballer. Actually he’s consistently put in some of the worse performances I’ve seen in a United shirt. If that means I know nothing about football than fair enough, but I can’t understand how anyone can defend him.

08 Oct 2020 18:37:18
Shappy what more could we do to create an environment for pogba? Near enough every signing has been to “unlock” him. He’s got all the ability in the world, there’s not much he can’t do with a ball. The frustrating thing is he doesn’t do it for 90mins. His best moments in the United shirt was the city game. Where he was god awful first half.

I don’t think he’s a bad fella at all, but he’s not someone I want Hannibal mejbri for example to be looking up too. He throws his arms about when he loses the ball, doesn’t work hard enough without it either. If he played simple and released the ball early he’d be fantastic, but he’s more interested in looking good. His start to this season has been nothing short of a disgrace. The sooner he’s gone the better for him and for us as a club.

08 Oct 2020 19:27:39
Pogba is similar to Mesut Ozil for me. Ridiculous amount of talent but lacking the desire to be the best.
Ironically, they are both World Cup winners. I honestly think the problem is players now are so rich that some just lose focus on football.
These guys have hit the very pinnacle of football and have money we could only dream of.
Both seem like decent enough guys who could’ve been up there with the best of their generation but neither will really be remembered as such.

08 Oct 2020 19:51:41
Ozil has achieved a lot more then Pogba has ever done.

Comparing Ozil and Pogba is laughable.

In regards to the original post, we need to just get rid of Pogba and build the team around a new CM like Niguez if we can get him and move forwqrd as a club once and for all.

08 Oct 2020 20:20:10
Why’s it laughable Singh?
Both players have bags of talent but have flattered to deceive.
What has Ozil achieved? 3 FA cups? La Liga?
Pogba has a few Scudetto’s and a Europa League medal.
This wasn’t my point though. I used Ozil as an example of another player who has the talent but won’t really be remembered for being a great player.

09 Oct 2020 00:19:32
Singh I think means Ozil played top level football for more years. Its not only about trophies. Ozil was top class for several years and Pogba is only about potential. Even at Juventus it was more about potential and some flashes more than a top player playing 90 minutes good football every week.

10 Oct 2020 15:35:48
I think it’s simple really. Pogba has lots of talent but only produces flashes of it because he just ain’t suited to the premier league. He needs a league such as serie a which is less intense/ fast so he has the time to shine. Would do well in the Spanish league too.

06 Oct 2020 08:43:02
Hi Ed002, did Filip Stevanovic move during the window, i cannot find any news on him? Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - No, although one of the offers was from a club where the transfer window remains open. Next year would be more likely for now.}

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06 Oct 2020 09:53:58
According to Andy Mitten the whole deal was false and was never happening.

06 Oct 2020 10:56:13
you should listen to ed02 not him.

{Ed002's Note - There were three offers for the player.}

06 Oct 2020 11:55:20
I didn't say I don't believe Ed002. I stated what another Utd source said.

06 Oct 2020 16:14:29
@Cheshire Red any info on if we’ll try for De Ligt again? Their finances are in an absolute shambles I can’t see how they can survive the way they’re going.

06 Oct 2020 23:59:12
Prodigal I am rarely genuinely in the know and I deliberately don't set out to ask questions of people I know because, one, we are mates and they prefer a normal life and it feels a bit weird, I also ask when I have been told stuff whether it's sensitive, opinion or an 'open secret' at Carrington. In short, can I talk or not.

Ed 002 is very often a great source of insight and far more likely to be up to speed on actual activity and discussion with agents.

I know nothing other than what I already posted.

The only reason I said anything is because there was so much fake info flying around and media hysteria that just doesn't explain any situation properly or impartially that I did comment. I also went back and checked before I said anything about a source.

We do have a group of lads now moving in the right direction. Work needs doing with Harry because his head is gone because of his summer. Self inflicted to a very minor degree and a terrible way to learn about the limitations that come with his status as a Utd player and captain, but he's very much of today's generation, very naive and not at all streetwise.

World class centre backs are very hard to come by. Right now its Upamecano and is dependent on 2 things going our way. If not, I would expect us to 'Do a Chelsea'. Our net spend is just shy of £80m. We have suffered with a big hit revenue wise, but proportionately nowhere bear as badly as other clubs. don't be surprised with 2 or even 3 big January moves as clubs continue to forecast finances.

So time will tell, however we did not spend anywhere near what we anticpated and sent a strong message by refusing to pay for Sancho. Think back. Dortmund were the ones openly stating weekly the same message. The truth is they expected Utd to crumble, hence in the last 2 weeks no less than 5 different people at Dortmund raising the issue. If it was dead, why don't they STFU, and simply say to the media, move on, not interested in speaking. Utd said norhing whatsoever publicly at any point, and privately briefed only twice to update a previous red line, just to test the water. But they never said Sancho wasnt worth it, they said they wouldn't and couldn't pay that type of fee in a C.V. with finances so unpredictable.

So when in July and August they were getting slated for not getting the deal done, that's because they knew the reality of CV which is now much clearer to everyone else in the world. Lockdown is here to stay.

Dortmund painted themselves into a corner and now coming out saying next year a bidding war. What an absolute load of drivel. Clubs will all be weaker. Every one of them. Us included. Transfers will be worth less again than they were this year. Its a Koulibaly strategy. De laurentis was being open this year that he shouldn't have been so greedy and sold at the optimum value last year. Dortmund risk the same, deluding themselves with past deals driving future prices. As with all investments, depending on market forces, they can go up, OR, in a C.V., they can go down also. Anyone who thinks next summer will be a return to normal is in for a huge wake up call. This financial impact hasn't even started yet! The worst is yet to come.

The next 3 months will be a real barometer for what happens in January, but I will share my expectation.

Firstly, ignore the utter nonsense in the press about next summer. By next summer lots of clubs will be in serious serious trouble. They will be on the verge of panic by Christmas with projected revenues aligned to their progress in Europe.

You can expect ANYTHING if a massive club fails to make the play off stages and Government strategies worldwide do not change on restrictions on fans. Any club out of the UCL or EL losing upto £50m in European money, AND no matchday revenue will be selling either in Jan or summer at latest. Players will have to play their part too.

We wll either bring in 2 players in Jan or 4 major upgrades next summer.

We are still work in progress but we will get better and we have, in my opinion, significantly strengthened in 3 areas. That is by no means a failure of any sort, by the club or the board.

We also shipped Sancez off the books, and Smalling Dalot and Perreira. that's a £41.5m instant gain in the wage bill, fees and loan fees, with £47m in possible permanent fees though I would honestly expect to knock 20 to 30% off that simply due to a global downturn in player valuations as 'long C.V.' hits the news more and realiry dawns that there is no more old normal.

How anyone can call that failure and view that window negatively is beyond me. We are all entitled to our opinion, but I cannot fathom why there is such huge negativity.

Its progress on all fronts. Those are football and commercial facts. We improved the team, invested in the future (as many have commented our under 23s business has been absolutely world class), we continued with lower risk fringe first team acquistions in Pellestri and Dallo, got rid of 4 who were wasting our money and squad numbers and brought 3 great additions in.

I for one am very happy with steps forward. The ones that got away? You can never lose what you never had!

07 Oct 2020 07:00:07
I stopped reading at "Lockdown is here to stay" if anyone seriously believes people are going to stay locked in a bubble and losing jobs they're deluded. Just let it play out .

07 Oct 2020 07:20:08
Great read Cheshire, makes a lot of sense.

07 Oct 2020 08:57:27
Cheshire what a very insightful post it makes a lot of sense i just hope ole can get ruthless and can turn this around because i believe in his process i don't see the point and haven't to start from scratch again with a new manager.

07 Oct 2020 09:38:26
Completely with Cheshire here - really well explained, informed post.

Whilst I’m gutted at the moment about how the first team are playing (fitness? Mentality? Unrest? Maguire? Pogba? Others probably also? ) I think there is real hope for the future - which fills me with real excitement.

Yes, I’d like us competing now - and, after seeing his benefits for so long, OGS just has to go now, to be replaced by Pochetino, because of his hard ruthless focus and the way he works with younger players - and if we had an Upemecano and a Rice, I think we’d have a team/ squad to compete, but the future - with the right boss and management structure - looks amazing. Maybe the board have been planning 5 years ahead all this time?

Just look at the players who will be maturing together in the next few years (plus younger first trainers now) :

Henderson
Swindon loanee goalie Kovar?

Mengi
D’shon bernard
That new french lad Kuwumbala?!
Jurado plus other one from Real
Williams
Wan Bissaka
Axel Tuanzebe
Fish

Garner
Laird
Shoretire
Hannibal
Pellistri

Traore
Greenwood
Martial
Hugill
Rashford

I think the board did exactly the right thing with Sancho: way too expensive in current climate and didn’t want to come anyway (plus attitude to rules? ) and maybe get him next summer.

Thus we need to tread water for another season or two, with pochetino, trying to stay in the top 4, then go for it after that.

Though obviously this is being consumed by Man United - there are much more important things going on at the moment in the world, so guess we’re lucky just to have a team at all.

07 Oct 2020 09:46:26
Cheshire red another good read thst and an interesting point of view, nice to see a different take on the situation to be honest.

07 Oct 2020 14:09:03
Redpaul i think he means the concequences of lock down and none can disagree with that.

07 Oct 2020 20:27:08
I do indeed Herrera, however the concepts of lockdown are more in respect of restrictions.

One thing very misunderstood is statute. As in the LEGAL responsibilities of a Government. Take for example the legal demands upon the NHS. That is, First, Do no harm. that's a legally enforceable precedent that in essence means, do nothing as a statutory body that may harm citizens.

This in context is where the C.V. is misunderstood. It is also where 'activists' get to play out their agenda often through spin rather than truths.

Its also where democracy kicks in as both a counterbalance to the actions of Government can be challenged, both in free speech but also legally through the courts. Did you know for example, the LEGALITY of lockdown has been challenged twice and found to be not only legal, but proportionate, aligned with the view of experts and necessary actions of Government to protect not only the vulnerable as a lweal requirement, but to protect people from their own inexperienced or poor judgment or bad behaviour. isn't that the very foundation of ANY law or rule?

So when I say lockdown is here to stay, RedPaul, I mean in the context of the legal obligations of a Government first and foremost to protect its tax paying citizens (thats the contractual balance if you like) for the 'service we buy from our taxes'. In essence we devolve responsibility for managing society to a function of Governance, hence the word Government.

They must follow this law, which means doing what is required, crucially NOT what may just be popular. This extends in all forms of Governance, employers having legal teslonsibility for the Health and Safety of Employees. Same basic principles.

In turn if any disagreements between industry, the public, employer or employee bodies can challenge the legality of any decisions taken by Government.

Parliament regulates decisions taken and approves them. This week, parliament reapproved the rolling 90 day legislation for requiring businesses and individuals to follow social distancing and lockdown rules. That takes us to 2021 at the earliest.

There has also been time booked to hear thebsame request in January, and IT WILL, not might, WILL be approved.

The impact, for RedPauls benefit are going to become more, not less severe. There is a new bill going through to give emergency powers at local and national level to require ANy premises, public or private sector to be closed as a result of people not following the rules.

Now before you claim rebellion, just reflect. Would a Government realistically and logically deliberately impose measures it fully knows are going to be massively unpopular and economically damaging without due cause?

Is that logical? Does it make sense to you?

Does it make sense to make things even tougher, knowing it may cause civil unrest and disobedience?

So with C.V., look at the impact on the logistics of football.

Some countries, let's take Germany, have set 20% of capacity limits of bringing fans back in. Other restriction applies such as prioritising only ticket holders you can PROVE come from an area with less than 35 cases per 100k of populus. NO AWAY FANS ALLOWED, period, to restrict travel.

Further, the location of the club must meet that same standard. Right now, every single part of the UK with a premier team fails this test.

In the past week, so too does Germany, if they go another week (they review each fortnight), no more fans again. Germany as of Tuesday was at 35.1 per 100k across the entire country, but it ia rising not falling. Their benchmark is 35! In short, no more fans at all until it falls again. But testing is increasing, so the chance of that is doubtful. More tests, more chances of positives, so do the math.

Utd position. They are planning financially and logistically that fans will be allowed back in MARCH at the earliest. That will be in their quarterly financial statement to investors. That's the true position and the one which has driven their transfers.

They had that view from MAY onwards but legally didn't have to comment in their last financial statement as ALL fans were banned.

Yes they drew down on a £140m facility back in I think, June, but don't quote me on it, and had circa £90m at bank. But we still had staged payments to make on previous transfers at that stage and we had staff to pay knowing they were never going to work for another 3 months at best at that stage. We haven't spent it all, the money will either be returned or IF it isn't, then what might that allude to for January? So pay attention to the forthcomjng statement instead of Sky Splurts and Twatter. For the detail, no better source of the what's happening than our own Ed002. Sondont shoot that messenger.

There was, at that point, a worst case scenario of being back with fans in some type in October, with best case scenario of August. As we all know, that's changed dramatically. Not just here, but everywhere. Utd never bought into that rose coloured specs view, hence their red line on how much to pay but also, crucially, HOW to structure payments. As bad as we want a return to success, do you eant to be patient with a ling term plan, or do you want to put it ALL ON RED. Perhaps we should ask Leeds? Hindsight is a wonderful thing, no?

Track and trace is already proving in France and Germany that cases per 100k RISE in the areas after a football match.

Germany last week banned alcohol. Today Scotland will, partly to try and bring back large gathering events earlier.

All Governments are in new territory, with no roadmap for goodnl or bad decisions. All data is beibg measured to see what works and what doesn't. It's trial an error, and controlled by behaviours not of the sensible, but what I like to call the F@#&wit factor.

There is no doubt alcohol has great impact on social distancing. that's a world wide no brainer, you start off disciplined, then lose inhibitions and misbehave and do stuff you wouldn't do when sober.

Its a bloody nightmare, but it also makes sense. I can honestly say I am less in control after 5 or 6 stellas. I've done it myself. Despite ny sensible self telling me in advance to control my inebriated self. It just doesn't work. My alcohol infused self is an incompetent unreliable simpleton.

New habits are hard to form anyway, trying to maintain a new habit when pissed is something I am yet to master. I doubt I am alone.

So that's why I expect football to be on its arse. Even with fans allowed, matchday revenues greatest friend? Alcohol. Its just not going to happen. Ever tried queuing at any of OTs bars?

We all wanted Sancho at a decent price if we could afford it. But there are two sides to that also. Could Dortmund afford to keep him? Or for us not to buy him?

They lost Hakim back to Real and had to buy in the summer. They are the best supported team in Germany with the highest average attendances.

But they aren't allowed fans back in. Best case scenario for them? 16,000 fans per game from an average gate pf 81,000. That's massively damaging. From just missung 5 games at home, they LOST €12.5m euros.

They lose the ENTIRE €36.6M they generate from renting out siguna park as events are banned for the foreseeable. Despite having a net profit on transfers last year of €40m euros, that's less than HALF their net profit on trasnfers from the previous year. Overall they posted a net loss for that year of €49.7m. Despite only 5 GAMES revenues being lost. This summer window, their net profit on transfers was MINUS €46.3m. AND despite MAKING €40m on transfers.

Sustainable? So you lose €30m in gate receipts, €37m in asset income, carry forward a €49m loss into the season anyway and lose €46m in transfers from your summer net spend? Well you made €40m in transfers the year before and yet you STILL lost €49m. So in a C.V. year woth no fans no matchday revenues an €86m swing in profitability of your previous transfer business, what is your upcoming year looking like?

Thats without the downturn in TV rights, signed in June and worth €10m a year LESS to Dortmund than the previous contract. A final fun fact on that stat. The previous rights issue raised 85% MORE than the previous deal, this deal is 6% LESS than the current deal. Did clubs expect such a downturn in revenues from broadcasting?

In my personal opinion, commercially speaking, we were Dortmunds break even ticket for the upcoming season.
It will be an interesting few months to see how they equally to all other clubs, fare in such turbulent times.


So bearing in mind the general view of Utd's incompetence, one which I don't share, despite my Fan head saying so, my Supporter (google the definition, they're very different), I pose a question.

Would you rather, following the summer window and what is to come, be Man Utd after the window WITHOUT Sancho, or prefer to be Dortmund WITH Sancho right now?

Sadly we don't have the thumbs up or down button any longer, but I welcome other viewpoints on why we should have gone balls out to get something we ALL wanted, irrespective of the consequences.

{Ed047's Note - shappy, read this bad boy and weep! 😉🤣

07 Oct 2020 22:57:40
Sorry Ed0047, wasnt meant to be a rant, but I just despair of terrible football analysis aligned to commercials where Utd by being commercially sound and managing risk are painted as the ones not to get a 'simple' deal over the line, saying Dortmund were frustrated by Utd not basically doing what benefited Dortmund but put Utd at risk and having been messed around and wronged in some way.

The reality is in my view very different. Dortmunds President was invisible during the summer so people may not know he is an ex politician of German left wing politics, who are leading the anti lockdown protests in Germany despite being the junior party in a coilition. He is deluding himself that Germany can return to normal and work through C.V. instead of social restrictions, which is far more to do with his politics and his imterest as Dortmund president than it is relevant to the popular view of the electorate overall, where the CDU are the party in control of decisions. They're conservative, as in, more risk averse, more financially astute and responsible, and prefer to take pain be criticised if necessary and make unpopular decisions.

Its baffling that NONE of these factors were even touched on during what was not really a transfer saga, it was a massive difference of views on risk, economics and heathcare projections and how their respectivd Governments were liekly to influebce their ability to make money and function normally, between 2 sporting clubs deciding largely on their assessment of their own Government's approach to a C.V.

Dortmund are convinced they will be back to normal in mere months, led by a politician who opposes lockdown, Utd are run by 3 investment bankers, all qualified economists who have access to world class futurologists, political contacts and analysts.

Call me stupid, but trained economists and investment bankers seem a more reliable barometer of risks around finances than a political drum banger whos PERSONAL, not business values appear to be clouding the way they lead and manage their own club.

Ironically, one leader is massively popular with fans, because all is rosy and there is nothing to worry about, the other is despised for not mortgaging the ranch.

Who is more likely to be right?

{Ed047's Note - apologies Cheshire, feel free to say as much as you like, my comment was only a joke in relation to your post outdoing any of his which are normally associated with such length but you outstripped him and then some!

I enjoy reading your posts mate, they are spot on, as I’m pretty certain everyone else does.

So as they say, “fill your boots” and keep them coming! 😁👍🏼

08 Oct 2020 00:16:52
Bravo Cheshire Red, take a bow. I think your two posts in this thread are the best I have read on this site.

My view is that transfer fees have been beyond ridiculous for a while now. This could provide a welcome reset to the market.

I think you're right that Dortmond got greedy and are perhaps now regretting not accepting our final offer which I understand was £90 million? When you consider what you have explained it seems crazy that we offered that much and Dortmond turned us down.

Wallace has listed some of the younger players we have to look forward to so perhaps now is a time for patience with the expectation that it will soon come good for us. There is solace in this.

The problem still remains with the manager though who worries me greatly. Having a manager who can build something that is greater than the sum of its parts is perhaps more valuable than ever and no way is that Solksjaer.

08 Oct 2020 14:13:42
Cheshire with some epic posts and a different view. Take a bow mate.

08 Oct 2020 16:47:00
Doesn't tie in with the normal doom and gloom i'm very surprised 1 or 2 haven't been all over this because if really is at odds with the general mood on thd site.

08 Oct 2020 17:38:26
Thanks and agree Cheshire Red. The intricacies of the business of football will fly over the head of a lot of our infantile "supporters" but most will understand and agree with you, and why the Sancho costs were rightly refused by the club.
My concerns would be around the new EU state aid package and whether that might be used to prop up the continents football clubs to avoid them having to succumb to PL transfer offers. Brexit happens in January remember, right when the next window opens, and the EU (especially Macron) have gone out of their way to try and weaken the PL many times before.

09 Oct 2020 10:30:48
Cheers Ed, and I do like Shappys posts, takes his time to explore facts on lot ps the points he makes deapite his passion. don't always agree with his posts, but I do like the varied opinions on here.

Thanks to the otehr lads too, appreciate being heard even if not agreed with.

Prodigal makes a good point too. People may not remember many years ago Real Madrid were on the verge of administration, bailed out to the tune of hundreds of millions of Euros. In theory central government can use state aid for certain types of club structure, but only where they are operated as non profits with cooperative style membership structures. I would have to ask a mate who specialises in that, but I don't at first glance think Dortmund come under those rules as they only have 46% fan based ownership, the rest are corproate shareholders. None own more than 9% but they do still fall unfer rules of 'commerce'. However l, Madrid and Barcelona? Well they would qualify.

More worrying would be the power of regional or local government where the rules are far more circumspect on 'local economic and social value'. Interest free loans, gifts of land worth hundreds of millions, or even special purpose vehicles for shared investments are prefectly legal and, in fact, absolutely normal practice throughout the world, not just the EU. Everton wouldn't be building a new stadium without the gifting of the land as well as commitment of rates reductions, tax breaks and promise investment in transport routes and surrounding infrastruture. No surprise their chairman suddenly found his cash pockets immediately after that decision, leading to him splashing £130m on players even before ancellotti arrived.

Dont be too despondent though. Expect Trafford and Salford to do exactly that when Utd are ready to take the plunge. I estimate 3 to 5 years more of quietly buying up the land before a complete overhaul of plans and New Trafford vision being proposed.

Plus again the board are far from stupid on all these rules across EU or Brexit. I'm told we only bought a player at the time we did for exCtly the reason that after Brexit the deal wouldnhave oresented significantly greater problems relating to both EU and UK rules.

I have seen a lot said lately about Ole on here. I have, as usual I think, a different narrative but I want to do more historic checking to make sure I am not misremembering lots of stories of yesteryear, or indeed soeaking out of turn.

I last saw Ole at his hotel in Stockholm when we won the Europa League. Half the 99 team and around 40 other ex players were there too, all staying at the hotel. I will tell the story when I post.

Prior to him leaving the UK I knew him as a player. Knew him well.

I read opinions on here and all I can say is people just do not know the person they're talking about. He wasn't known as the baby faced assassin for nothing. He has ice in his blood and is a ruthless winner, not often loses it, but you would not want to be around when he did.

He was Roy's closest mate as a player for a reason. But he has control, and a sharp mind. But they share the same drive and intolerance of anything less than 100%

He isnt, and doesn't pretend to be a master tactician. Nor is he interested in being. He will employ people he trusts the judgment of for that, and he won't hesistate if he thinks he has picked the wrong person or there is someone better.

I would be interested to hear some of the views of posters who were around as I was during the pre Fergie years, as well as each of the 3 team rebuils he went through, aimply to see who they thoight was the tactician under Fergie's tenure

I will read with interest.

09 Oct 2020 17:24:40
I’d put Carlos Queiroz down as the biggest reason for Fergie’s success outside his man management skills. Great post again Cheshire thanks.

09 Oct 2020 17:47:36
Cheshire its been an enjoyable change to read your posts of late.

09 Oct 2020 19:16:34
Cheshire

The point you are missing with Ole is that he isn’t a leader. Deadly assassin fine, doesn’t like fools fine. People miss the point about SAF’s genius and that was leadership. He was no tactician and that is one reason he didn’t succeed in Europe as much as he should have done.

Initially SAF built a team with a bond, like with Aberdeen it didn’t need to be technical it was belligerent and well organised, a team together with fight, like the manager, against authority.

SAF relied upon his No2 to do the training, tactics were straightforward. SAF only became more technical when Quiroz arrived but the principles of the 80’s remained.

If your aim is to say Ole is the SAF character and it is others who should dictate tactics then you are missing the point about the personality, character and leadership of SAF which took him to another level. The game has a more technical nature now, the 90’s United would be bypassed as it was at the time when meeting a technical team.

09 Oct 2020 21:05:12
Cheshire, just want to say fella, your posts in the last few days, and the one's on this thread in particular, have been a breath of friggin fresh air on here. So refreshing to read something genuinely interesting, rather than the stale same old, same old, that's been a feature of the site lately.

10 Oct 2020 11:14:18
Cheshire Red

Just had chance to read your posts in full, enjoyable read and for someone in the financial field they make logical sense. In answer to your question, I would rather be Man Utd without Sancho but I was saying for weeks we should have walked away from that deal and looked elsewhere. I am actually pleased we didn’t crumble for once and didn’t just pay up the full amount. It will help us in future negotiations, the club we are buying from at least may know we mean what we say, for a change.

A few months ago on here I wrote a piece about how I didn’t think we would have a big net spend due to the impact of CV on finances, particularly revenue but it also affects cash flow, my assessment was correct. There is no doubt there is financial expertise at the club, I have worked with these type of finance people, they are almost always very astute. Their problem has been trying to operate on the football side too much, limited manoeuvre wriggle room due to the leverage (debt) the club is in and from what I have seen, lacked ability to negotiate.

Negotiation is an art, a special skill, one which ordinary financiers are not usually expert in. It’s why we are still dealing with Brexit, previous PM May started from a soft position and we haven’t recovered since, regardless of views, if you start soft you will get a worse deal in any negotiations. Maybe just maybe, the step away from the Sancho deal indicates the club negotiators have learned, or of course the just couldn’t afford it full stop. Whatever, it’s a good clear message we won’t be held to ransom.

14 Oct 2020 05:53:44
@cheshire, cracking post with loads of things making loads of sense.

To add on, I do remember reading somewhere that evidently Ole had discused with woodward that our recruitment has been terrible, what with going after mercinaries who need to be enticed by the wage packages, which is why we have struggled and evidently this is one of the key things that'been addressed behind the scenes, apparently vdb took either paycut/ same wage to be here and that's the kind a deals they're after.

Have no idea how true or otherwise it is, perhaps u or one of the eds can chip in.

05 Oct 2020 22:10:08
Update. No deals for CB. De laurentis sporting director only one to show moderte interest but an unattractive deal structure.

Expect a move for upamecano IF and only if we put leipzig out of UCL before Jan window.

Told there may be 2 deals done in Jan, especially if CV keeps fans away until then.

Agree5 Disagree0

05 Oct 2020 22:23:01
God, let us get over this window first will ya.

05 Oct 2020 22:34:55
WelshRedDevil. Sorry mate. Tried posting earlier that attempts were made as soon as it was clear Smalling deal would be done, to get a CB befofe deadline, 1. Upamwcano, 2. Skriniar (stupid, they knew terms already due to Tottenhams interest, then 3. Koulibaly) . Told the 2 and 3 were just deadline day if you don't ask you never know enquiries and were not hopeful. The offer for upamecano wasnt bad at all, though their loan and mandatory purchase wasnt well received given our group games in UCL.

However, the other player we will make an offer for in Jan is not o ly one some have craved in DM previously, but will be a massive upgrade on Fred and Matic, and has played 3 other positions for his currebt club. He's a proper player. Theayreq saving the Sancho money for Jan, if Dortmund get knockead out ofa UCL they MAY, only may, make another offer, but tactically have moved on until next summer. Out of interest, execs have laughed off the idea Sancho will be in higher demand next season. They expect CV to devastate transfer budgets as the crisis drags on until next summer. This despite projecting their own revenues to be down by £115m this financial year.

05 Oct 2020 22:56:52
Where is this update comes from guys?

05 Oct 2020 23:12:02
Cheshire the player to refer to is Saul and it is exciting. Give us more details.

05 Oct 2020 23:55:11
Hi Herrera. Yes its Saul. (Could have been SMS don't forget) . The source is an ex Utd player still employed by the club. Doesn't mean they will definitely get him, but the intent is to exploit the damage of CV through the winter in Spain and Germany as 2nd and 3rd waves come and create big damage to revenues. Utd actually used the strengths of the board for a change and their experience in economic risks and their contacts in investment banking and Government to forecast that the pain clubs will be in come January will see some vulnerable to selling. The expectation is no vaccine until next summer and a very damaging aborted attempt to bring fans back late November which will ramp up pressure on clubs with less commercial revenues outaide of ticket, matchday and merchandise sales. My personal opinion? Heard similar before in the window we didn't sign Mourinhos wanted transfers and those Jan transfers didn't happen, so it may be internal hot air designed to keep spirits high amongst the coaching staff. I think the CB will happen but I am doubtful the stars will align for Saul. Financially yes they might be in deep doodoo, but the Partey deal wasnt done at that point, which gives AM instant £45m cashflow, so unless they go out of UCL in group stages I just don't see the logic for Saul or AM to cash in before summer if at all.

05 Oct 2020 23:59:51
Its all balony. Why woukd we wait till smalling was going to try get a cb when we knew all window he wanted to leave?

The club don't have a plan hence the cavani purxhase and low balling for sancho fully knowing what they wanted

Pathetic, sick of the excuses now. No ambition to get back to the top.

06 Oct 2020 00:20:31
Cheshire i didn't want details, only that the update is from you, i believe you anyway, you have no reason to lie. I appreciate that you gave a detailed update but that seems bad. I mean the thing about vaccine, I thought we would have it until December.

06 Oct 2020 01:33:50
Bolger

All clubs do business differently, Chelsea bought first, expecting Rudiger and Palmieri to go, for example, that didn't happen. Utd operate on the basis they don't take chances on incoming until outgoings are solid. i'm as frustrated as you are but they got Telles for £7m less than Porto demanded and they got £7m more than Roma were offering even this Saturday for smalling. can't magic money out of nowhere whilst there isn't the ability to generate more revenues and lossea are mounting. that's £14m.

They also offered £100m total for Sancho, during a C.V. He's Dortmunds player, ita their choice but to buckle? Well they'd still have been vilified.

At least they showed walk away, plus they didn't settle for anything less than a sensible plan, loan deal that didn't come off. Ask any multi millionaire, the balls to walk away after taking every chance to do a deal is always better than a deal you regret, not just in isolation but for the precedent it sets.

Cant complain in the same breath that we alwaya end up stumping up or settling for low ball offers for pur own players and then when we do the exact opposite we still moan because we changed the rhetoric.

Ive said beforebwe have waloed qway from 7 bad deals in the last 4 windows. Yet no one noticed because its easier to just be negative, and the media fuels the hysteria. Careful analysis shows far more resilience.

I don't see anyone slagging Liverpool. off for lowballing aouthampton, then not only grovelling but also stumping up £75m (£15m more than they could have had Van Dyke for) . The difference being Van Dyke shoawd incredible quakity afterwards, whereas Slabhead hasn't. that's as much luck than judgment. What if Klopp had got Draxler ibstead of Mane or Brandt instead of Salah, both his 1st cboices missed and ebded up with 2nd and 3ed chpice respectively. Lick will always play a part in any recruitment.

Jve hired some worldies on paper who turnwd out couldn't run a bath and had no common sense and also found diamonds in lower ranks who are now trusted right hand men and women, but not intentional, just pure luck. All were unintentionally good or bad and not as planned.

All I am saying is there is no direct correlation between getting first choice signings and guaranteed success. don't you remember Batistuta, Salas, Kleivert, Gattuso, Verane, Gascoigne, Beardsley, Barnes, Shearer etc during Fergie years.

If we had signed Ronaldinho who literally didn't get on a plane we wouldn't have signed Ronaldo. I still remember the slating Fergie and the board got for letting that slip. Yet it just shows the randomness of the market, and all that can go wrong or right without intent.

Easy to forget the ones we lost when we were aucceasful, but very little has changed over the decades with transfers, other than the ridiculous power of agents largely thanks to the Bosman ruling.

As for your comments Herrera, I agree its bad, and especially after Ole apologised for using the word exploit prior to the window. what's going on in the world is a terrible tragedy and to be thinking of that approach does seem to be an alternative view to what was very good corporate behaviour during the early stages of CV by the club that is long forgotten, as was Wpodwards very early comments it wohkdnt be a normal window and 6 figure deals just were not realsitic.

How many on here as readers or posters can honwstly say that if he had walked away from Sancho early on, they would have applauded? Wohkd have said well doen for sticking to the plan of the man we want or nobody?

Even now when we could have easily signed Dembele or Sarr, or even Coman on owrmanent deals but only wanted a loan as we intend to atick to our original plan, where is thr praise or recognition for changed behaviours and a stronger identity that we won't overpay and we won't sell cheap either?

Romeros wife going nuts is the atory you heard, but did you actually hear the offer from Everton? Because they took the piss at the last minute and underestimated our resolve to change the identity of Utd in the transfer market. didn't you see ancelotti swearing blind they had no interest in a Romero last Saturday? Just to make an offer that was so bad, they paid more for a poor keeper from Roma who is nowehere near Romero standard. Watch that bite him in the arse later in the season.

So, would we criticise Utd if they weren't ruthless either? I tend to think I might. Its the way of business, whatever your business. Some win some lose in every scenario.

Not Utd to blame that the vaccine won't be around in anywhere near decent numbers until spring and its already known that antibodies last a maximum of 3 months, so this virus will be around for at least 2 more years before a vaccine that truly prevents rather than postpone is found, or at best expect to be vaccinated every 8 weeks.

Its going to get massively worse before there is light at the end of the tunnel. You can take that as absolute 100% nailed on fact. that's not a rumour, I am the source of that info. Directly. It's going to be a very difficult year at least untik same time in 2021, so try and be positive, what is to come is to come, so either decide to enjoy it, or decide to hate it, either way the same future is coming, just deoends how we choose to receive it and respond to it.

Que sera sera as we famously sing perhaps without really meaning it.

06 Oct 2020 07:02:20
CheshireRed

I think you make a lot of valid points. However I have to disagree in the way we have handled Romero. Both on the field and off it we haven't don't justice to him. We should have facilitated a move away for him days and weeks ago once it became clear that both DDG and Deano were going to stay with us. If not a permanent move than at least a lab for him.

WE ARE BASICALLY ENDING HIS INTERNATIONAL CAREER BY KEEPING HIM AS THIRD CHOICE.

For the way he has carried himself and performed for us without ever letting us down, we have acted as classless selfish d! ckheads. And I don't think anyone can argue with that. On top of that we are keeping a player to not even be on the bench on a huge wage relative for GKs.

I hope we can find Romero a move away to countries with the transfer window still open (like Russia) . I feel disgusted at the lack of class and gratitude shown towards him by our club.

06 Oct 2020 07:09:15
*at least a loan for him

Bloody autocorrect.

{Ed047's Note - I thought it was odd offering him a dog! 😏🤣

06 Oct 2020 07:29:41
I am surprised you are here in the early hours already Ed047. I thought you would be Parteying away whole day today😂.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣 I’m waiting to see him play before I get overly excited but Tris does give me hope he’s going to be class!

06 Oct 2020 07:34:46
Cheshire, disagree regarding Romero.
What is the point of paying him nearly 100k a week when he is third choice and never going to play.

06 Oct 2020 08:37:01
I don't know how anyone can defend our handling of Romero.

06 Oct 2020 09:08:14
ED047, no pressure on ED001 there then lol.

{Ed047's Note - 🤣 he works best under pressure mate! That’s if we can get him to do any. 🤦‍♂️🤣

06 Oct 2020 09:20:23
No worries Cheshire, was only messing, nice to hear info.

06 Oct 2020 09:39:35
Ed047
That is exactly why he writes the daily review first thing in the morning. 😜.

{Ed047's Note - yep and then straight back to bed mate! 🥱😴🤣

06 Oct 2020 10:40:16
Lads, Romero isn't doing all this for free. He's been handsomely rewarded for playing a few games here and there, hardly a slave. The club doesn't owe him anything. No other club came up with a decent offer for him, and after all the moaning I see on here about Utd getting their pants pulled down by other teams with regard to transfers, then that's fair enough for me. Hardly treating him in a disgusting manner.

06 Oct 2020 11:30:08
Nou, it's quite clear he's been fed lies.

From being our cup goalkeeper only to be dropped in the latter stages, to being told he can move.

The club have absolutely no reason to keep hold of him.

Like you say, he's paid handsomely, so why not get those wages off the books for a 3rd choice who will likely make no senior appearances this season?

06 Oct 2020 13:14:53
Fantastic post Cheshire.

06 Oct 2020 11:42:48
Interesting post CheshireRed. Thanks.

06 Oct 2020 11:45:09
But for the typos that was an interesting read Cheshire.

06 Oct 2020 13:31:09
Noucamp. We do owe him something. All employers owe their staff something. Horrible statement.
All empires deserve to be treated with respect and with dignity.
He feels he has not been. If any employee feels like that in any company and can prove it then the company will be held accountable.
As an employer united do owe all employees something.
What is the world coming to if people think paying someone ends the responsibility to employees.

06 Oct 2020 14:05:28
spot on ken.

he should have been allowed to move when henderson signed his contract,

rom always acts professional and he's to good of a keeper to be 3rd choice.

06 Oct 2020 14:28:34
I thought they were only transient employees to you, Ken? And how do you know what Romero thinks about the whole thing? He might be happy enough, you've no idea. And no lectures on horrible comments about employees, please - I seem to remember a pretty nasty comment to Tony when he'd lost his job.

06 Oct 2020 14:46:43
Sorry Cheshire. I think you been playing Football Manager. Do you honestly think the Glazers, Ed and Co will invest their money into the club. If we sell someone then maybe but they can't even do that properly.

No chance. It be the same old same, we tried but they were demanding too much money for him.

06 Oct 2020 14:46:09
Interesting posts, Cheshire. Good read that.

06 Oct 2020 15:04:27
Find it. no nasty comment from me noucamp towards ajh. He is also not my employee
All employees are transient but have rights and employees have a responsibility towards them.
He is not happy if you have read the comments attributed to his wife and agent.

06 Oct 2020 15:05:16
Find the nasty comment noucamp please.

06 Oct 2020 15:16:21
I don't know how to search, but it was along the lines of basically dry your eyes. You can ask him - he didn't think too much of it at the time, as did a few of us. I'm sure he'll remember.

06 Oct 2020 15:16:30
Whats he not happy about? He signed a contract.

06 Oct 2020 15:43:24
You don't know how to search? 😂😂 try the search function at the top of the page. I didn't post any such thing. But sure you just make stuff up if it suits you. Absolute thrash.

06 Oct 2020 16:20:10
Aye, I must have imagined it, Ken. Tony must have as well. Silly me. I don't know why I would have thought something like that, especially when you're usually such a polite, pleasant poster, and in no way belligerent whatsoever 😂.

06 Oct 2020 16:36:09
The sexual tension between ken and Noucamp99 is too much for this page to handle🤣. You guys should get a room😂😉.

06 Oct 2020 16:55:25
I can be very belligerent at times Stephen. No mite than your Good self
But don't accuse me of words i didn't use.

06 Oct 2020 16:58:14
When you're married as long as I am Deeps, and hitting 50, beggars can't be choosers 😂.

06 Oct 2020 17:14:45
My view of Romero? Its a business. I totally agree about obligations to look after employees, and also their commitment to employers. But that's exactly the point.

Footballers get rights that most people, especially during this time in the world, can only dream of, not ONLY financially, but stability and contractually. Having a contract, that neither party can break? So the club have to pay wages to those they know they want to move on.

But frankly, when I compare their 'employee' situation as players, I have little sympathy compared to the the rest of society, with millions losing their jobs. Their future was 100% safe. Almost exclusively across any industry.

But I really do also sympathise deeply with clubs. Not just Utd but all clubs. Saddled with no choice but to keep their most expensive people no matter whether fit for work or otherwise, or even who have proven to be rubbish value for money and you prefer tonget rid, but saddled with your mistake or a change in direction that makes them unsuitable for the future.

That despite your revenues being absolutely decimated. Loyalty cuts both ways if we want to see the employee as a victim in isolation, almost villifying the club for enslaving them? Come on, pull the other one its got bells on it. Do me a favou4.

If this so called 'loyalty' and integrity cuts both ways, were they supporting YOUR club with integrity by saying we are all in this together, let's share the pain, here's 30 or 40% of my wages back? Just because Utd didn't ask is irrelevant. That was a conscious ethical decision of a business, so don't try telling me know we gave people a rough ride.

The club were very clear that they no longer wanted some players and were happy for them to leave. That doesn't mean freeing a slave as some are moulding the rhetoric. It means if the terms are met.

We were clear from February that the club wanted €20m for Dmalling agfer originally expecting €25m. But we were not going to sell him cheap as an asset that conversely was still being paid part of his wage by Utd.

So lwt me pose a question. You own a car. And buy a new one

You still have to tax, MOT and insure as well as pay for the car on finance youve borrowed. Even if youve finished paying, it has a value

Someone comes and says well it work £6k but we will give you £1.8k because you don't need it, you will rarely drive it. How many woukd take the offer? Even if you knew you mjght wait 11 weeks and then have a chance to trst the market again. More context.

You're actually a dealer in cars with only specific time to sell. You know you have to balance your books and no one is paying proper money for cars. Do you take any silly offer? Knowibg that the sale would be public and would create an expectation amongst other buyers that your assets vould be bought for a thirs of their price? Would you really sell? No matter what the commercial logic?

The situation with Romero was, he was priced to sell, no one came close. 3 teams were interested but went elsewhere. Is that Utd to blame?

So he now gets to stay on his huge salary when going elsewhere required him to take a huge drop? I have sympathy for many people during this C.V. from all walks of life, but to claim footballers in any situation have had a rough ride is frankly ridiculous and as for Mrs Romero?

She is lucky people are less switched on to reality than a few hundred years ago in France, because how her comments haven't been interpreted as being the Marie Antoinette of Manchester and keyboard warrioring let them eat cake is frankly beyond me.

Perhaps she should take a trip out with Marcus to a local food bank before she reiterates how terribky her husband is being treated right now!

06 Oct 2020 18:41:12
Another good post, Cheshire. You should post more often, mate. You might have Shaps and DLIB worried, tho, with the length of your posts.

06 Oct 2020 19:29:54
Cheshire red couple of interesting post there.

07 Oct 2020 14:24:00
I am only offering an alternative opinion on the non emotional commercial realities. I cannot stand social media because of the hysteria.

I love reading posts here because even the negatives, you know come from the right sense of desire and shared view we want our team to succeed and to be Champions.

But here is the reality. Utd have not cut jobs in ANY area of the club, even match day despite ZERO revenues. Do we not care about those employees, who cost almost £40m a year? Are they not a part of us? They have donated millions to local communities, OUR communities.

And all I hear is champagne socialists like Gary Neville talking rubbish about the one piece of business we didn't do. I notice he doesn't slag managers off anymore after being one. Perhaps he should be try being the Chairman or a director of an entity as massive as Utd before he claims the high ground. Really bugs me.

Some commercial realities would be more constructive. We are literally playing into our competitors hands by dragging down the enthusiasm, belief and respect for ourselves. At this stage we seriosuly risk being Liverpool of the 90s, noughties and 10s!

08 Oct 2020 00:34:19
I'm amazed that decent offers didn't materialise for a keeper of Romero's quality and experience. It might actually work out better for him and the club for others to understand that if they want him they have to make better offers to both parties. Good luck to the guy but business is business and I don't feel too sorry for him in his gilded cage.

08 Oct 2020 14:37:11
Cheshire because i didn't understand this. Did we donated millions to local communities as a club? Because that's fantastic and that's what i want for my club. I want to stand with employees and community . Arsenal buyed a fantastic player in Partey for a lot of money and the same day wanted to fire the mascot i think. I would prefer to fire none and to stand with our people (employees) and community even if that costs us a transfer. That would make me very proud and no player can make me feel so happy.

08 Oct 2020 23:44:27
Herrera. Yes we did.

We cane out in early March with a £1m donation to the NHS fund. We also made all our infrastructure available to the Government and NHS. Our medical facilities were used by NHS rught upto reintroducing football again and throughout the summer.

We didn't furlough staff, made further contributions of £4m through the foundation, set up sports clubs for parents who wanted to work for their kids to attend, we fed them and in many cases clothed them for those who had no kits.

Our non furloughed staff were deployed to support local charities, foodbanks and made drops for people who were vulnerable.

Our facilities and maintenance staff supported revising some public builds and offer logistics supoort for setting up NHS Nightingale Manchester.

None of this was reported, firstly because we didn't blast it all over social media, but it was known by the local authorities throughout GM, Salford and Trafford. But also because that wasnt the point, it was just to be nice and make use of resources we were not using ourselves.

The main reason you didn't hear? Well, how many media outlets do you know make their ratings through good news?

09 Oct 2020 00:11:39
did we not get romero on a free.

09 Oct 2020 01:36:49
Cheshire thanks you took time to replay, i appreciate that. I am very proud for my team.
Everyone has his own opinion but i always believed that Glazers aren't the devils some people think they are. They are just businessmen but i think in comparison to others they are more human and they showed us again, i think some years ago they refused to sell stadiums name to coca cola too rejecting hundreds of millions.
I have the same opinion for Woodward too. I have sympathy for him, its not his money to spend, he is not the one to deside which player to buy and he is not the one negotiating the transfers. Yet people turn to him every time a transfer falls. They always want someone to blame and because of his "stupid" face and that he is the one we see more often he is the easy target.
I think Woody makes a lot of mistakes and the first one is that he doesn't hire football people to run our football part, he is showing some arrogance. But i think he always had big plans for the team.
People blamed him for the "we can make thing in the transfer market etc", he had no reason to do this and maybe costs us because teams knew we had bid pocket but that showed a will, intentions. And i always believed that he has the intention to make us big again and i always believed that he entertains a marquee sighning more than fans because of his love for the team and his arrogance. I don't think he likes to be our failed vise president who can't close the deals as people day. And these words weren't empty words, we broke so many transfer records after that and my unpopular opinion is that, until some time ago, we weren't pinny pinching but instead we were happy to pay whatever it takes to bring good players and big names. that's what we tried to change in last 2-3 windows.
Personally the club (including Woodward) makes me happy and proud, especially after your comments. I only wish they hire a top director of football and give him the free run to make us a football force again because no matter how i like Woodward and co (at least i don't have any problem and don't blame him even for the weather 😂) they must make some good footballing desicions. Cheers.

09 Oct 2020 21:12:56
I am not an in the know as such but I do work in sports conferencing and hear things from people associated with United and other clubs now and again. In terms of United I can share here some things that might surprise people a bit based on some conversations I’ve been around. It won’t be liked but I think it should be said.

The recent stories about the dressing room problems are true, but not in their detail. You’ll notice the constant interviews and chats with Ole and people associated with the club Where they talk about the need for characters in the club. We have a big problem with that and it’s not the people you would necessarily expect. Pogba has caused issues with his on off determination to leave the club and his lack of performances on the pitch but it’s actually Rashford who’s causing big problems.

Apparently with the emergence of Greenwood he’s not happy, and constantly threatens to leave unless he’s the number 9. Greenwood says the same. Rashford has painted a very good picture of himself in the media with his fighting for vulnerable kids campaign but it’s run entirely by his new off the field agents roknation. It apparently annoys a lot of the players as although it’s a good cause it’s thought that he’s pretty disingenuous in using the clubs profile to create a Public image for himself and uses it as leverage to force the clubs hand into giving him what he wants. It’s widely acknowledged that he wasn’t actually injured during the last international break that he wasn’t actually injured but pulled out due to Greenwood being called up as Kane’s deputy. We saw that he doubled down on his campaigning instead.

There are also problems with getting Greenwood to apply himself in training and apparently there is a maturity problem too.

Rashford doesn’t get on well with Greenwood or Martial.

I can’t remember which game it was personally but there was a game towards the end of last season where Martial and Greenwood combined really well for Greenwood to score. The camera panned across to Ole and he was absolutely furious in his seat. Why? Because Rashford turned his back and looked disappointed when the two of them scored this great goal (look at the replay of the goal it’s a really good insight into the environment) . Anyway, PSG we’re suggesting to Rashford that he could replace Mbappe at the head of their front three if Mbappe moves to Real Madrid and apparently due to the fuss this situation is creating we’ve agreed with Rashford that we’ll allow that next year. The club are angry because they feel Martial is clearly showing he’s the better number 9 and that PSG should prioritise him over Rashford, especially given he’s French and Parisian, but PSG see the situation in taking Rashford as a way to weaken Uniteds identity of focusing on younger local players.

There seems to be a resignation within the club that we can’t keep both Greenwood and Rashford happy given they both want to be the 9. There’s wide spread agreement that Rashford is better as a wide forward both from the club and in the England set up but he can’t stand the idea of not being the point man.

You’ll have noticed many interviews (BT sport
YouTube FYI ( with past players ie the Co92 with Rashford to try and massage the situation but they’re all very angry with him about the way he’s behaving and you can sort of pick up on it in those interviews.

Anyway, nothing in the future is set in stone so I guess we’ll wait and see.

{Ed025's Note - a very interesting read that prodigal, i dont know how true it is of course but i will be certainly keeping my eye on it mate..

09 Oct 2020 22:22:50
I believe this . Maybe i wanted too because i believe the same. Rashford playing like someone killed his mother, no joy at all, not the same passion. I noticed against Tottenham a highlight (we had only 3-4 half decent chances so its easy to remember) which Rashford passed to Greenwood and although the better and obvious choice was to play one two, Mason desided to make a bad shoot outside the box. There is an attitude problem, i don't and i can't know the details but there is a problem.

09 Oct 2020 22:32:43
Prodigal maybe you mean against Ham. Because it was a wonderfull goal that Mason and Martial compined and Greenwood scored.

09 Oct 2020 23:20:03
Yeah ithey called it hearsay about Rashford and Greenwood but you can clearly see it now when you look back. Though as you pointed out from the Tottenham match it seems like Greenwood could now be the one acting out against Rashford, on the pitch at least. You have to feel that this wouldn’t happen if we had more proper leaders on the pitch like Keane, Robbo etc.

10 Oct 2020 11:23:13
Really interesting post prodigal. Quite sad to read. I suppose we all like to imagine that the squad are all best mates and likeable people but that's not how real life works. Shame they can't jointly appreciate their success on the pitch though.

05 Oct 2020 21:28:59
Amad diallo in January, I'm wondering who's signing these players of the future, possibly the future manager? Poch?

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05 Oct 2020 21:43:50
His name was Traore earlier lol.

05 Oct 2020 21:50:19
£40million for an 18 year old who has played 24 minutes of senior football, interesting.

05 Oct 2020 22:13:25
Grimslives

That much for an 18 year old is interesting, especially as they were sending him out on loan. It’s a lot when compared to some of the other youngsters at that age.

05 Oct 2020 22:23:58
He is very highly thought of, time will tell but have to say I am more excited by our youth signings this past few months than anything.

07 Oct 2020 00:45:28
I watched a couple of videos of the young lad. If he's half as good as he looks on the videos for us then my god. Look out is all I can say.

05 Oct 2020 19:22:21
If we pay €60 million for Dembele some one needs to be sacked! Hoping it would be more than one!

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05 Oct 2020 19:49:29
Deal is off apparently.

05 Oct 2020 20:03:47
Hope not.

05 Oct 2020 20:40:02
You would need the medical to last a whole week for Dembele after his injury record over the last few years.

05 Oct 2020 23:00:14
they were thinking of getting him without a medical unreal.

06 Oct 2020 08:39:34
I hears that to dazw, i would like to think it was only a rumour and not true.
Can you imagine suggesting that for any player nevermind one who looks to be made of rice paper.

I would of taken him on loan given what we have done this window. But a permanant deal is such a risk with him.

09 Oct 2020 00:12:53
t true karl.

05 Oct 2020 19:21:40
The fact that Cavani is a free agent, is there any pressure on his signing?

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05 Oct 2020 20:11:13
He hasn't played football for last 7 months.
Huge signing on fee, agent fee and wages.

Important aspect is, Will we see the best of him?

05 Oct 2020 20:41:38
€2m signing on Fee
€11m salary
Utd have an option of another year for further 2m.
So not much more expensive than ighalo who he is replacing.
Makes sense to me trd.
He is here now let's hope he does well. Martial and greenwood can only aspire to have as good a career as his at the moment. They should learn plenty they both need to.

05 Oct 2020 20:55:03
I would love a peak Cavani Ken.
Just hope he plays for the shirt and shows passion towards our club.
Probably our new #7.

 


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